I am sure massive layoffs like Southern california Edition will make sure that no expansion of H1B or GC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectator
http://www.computerworld.com/article...n-layoffs.html
You have to be happy with H4-EAD and forthcoming I140. Note that out of 10 Senators 2 were co-sponsors of I-Squared bill. Now anyone can guess the fate of I-squared bill. I am sure greed of Indian companies will make them to lose whatever they have.
I do not agree with the last part...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsen
indian companies are not charitable/non profit organizations. They main objective is to make money.... same as any company in the world.
Any job that can be done cheaper (offshore or automated or machines) etc will result in impact to workforce in that job area. People have to adapt to the market. This has been happening for centuries.
Remember Ford's assembly line.. if they would have sat built each car... just because people will loose jobs... imagine that..efficiency/productivity...? just a simple example...
Also somewhere i saw that - an advertisement of RadioShack some 30 years ago.. had like 40 products and next to it there was a smartphone that could do all functions of those 40 products. Now people building those 40 products are probably out of work....so people should have not built a smartphone?
All these examples are machine related.. but there are people who got impacted and they had to adapt.
Similarly.. H1Bs was attractive becuase they are saving cost.. not just in salary... but in terms upto date tehhnology awareness etc.... companies will go for them... people have to adapt and find some niche area...
this applies to people like me as well..in next 10 years... kids 20 years younger to me will be more tech savvy than i am.... i have to step up or do something to flourish..
People reading that Sessions article might have no clue that he is shedding his crocodile tears for US workers to cover up his racist agenda. He is speaking the language of NUSA - reduce US immigration.
For the other article from computerworld, Patrick Thibodeau is a party to anti-immigrant groups like NUSA. He always publishes articles like these. As immigrants we should refrain from giving publicity to such articles. Timing of this article is interesting. It is coming at a time when lawmakers are trying to increase H1B numbers. This is a coordinated media campaign by anti-immigrant groups.
For the other article from computerworld, Patrick Thibodeau is a party to anti-immigrant groups like NUSA. He always publishes articles like these. As immigrants we should refrain from giving publicity to such articles. Timing of this article is interesting. It is coming at a time when lawmakers are trying to increase H1B numbers. This is a coordinated media campaign by anti-immigrant groups.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by gcq
Laying off 450 persons out of 1200 and giving project/job for off shoring companies is not a small matter. Many companies did this in past and it is not an easy thing to get job in this environment.In olden days Layoffs were part of clean up process and it used to give benefit for both the company and employees as the employees used to get better job. But after outsourcing this has changed and for those employees it is taking years to train and get job as everywhere companies are trying to fill by H1bs, outsourcing companies. In consulting for some areas the rates are in crazy low. So h1b increase will increase cheap labor and even if 200k is given companies will tell the positions are unfilled. In high tech only 20% of the jobs will require hardcore skills which is difficult to fill always. Most 80% of the jobs are like advertising phd for qa jobs or getting MS for changing 2 lines of code in 2 months with pages of documentation work.
Note the point that 2 out of 10 Senators who wrote a letter was co-sponsoring the I-Squared bill. So it does not look like advertising campaign.So by supporting the layoff and outsourcing you might already lost 2 votes in Senate. See this is how all the past bills failed. Basically wise idea is support Grassley effort and negotiate with his protection idea to increase H1b and GC. His changes are very simple as some test for US workers available before recruitment. And he will allow the immigration bills with moderate rise in H1b and green card. Or other option is status quo. But many are choosing status quo is better than first option. Now after many years ** realized that and ready for negotiation but Corporate is not accepting that.
It was never about employees. Even today it is not about employees. It's always about profits. Right wrong .... ? Don't want to get into that debate. But just saying ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsen
This is dividing high tech workers further into "really-high-tech" vs "not-so-high-tech". I don't understand why is there a need to make this division - particularly when YOU are supposed to be on "THIS" side of the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsen
I think **'s thinking is completely muddled. First it looks like they are desperate to get a seat at the table at any cost. Second they don't understand that EB immigration is NOT a pressing issue for ANYBODY and hence advocacy has a limited role there. Third they don't understand that H1B is not exactly same as EB immigration. Fourth they don't understand that America is still very very pro immigrant and so instead of sleeping with the devils they need to partner with pro -immigrant groups. But therein lies the dilemma of sharing the credit. Fifth they have completely ignored the role of judiciary and how effective it can be to address legitimate grivances of immigrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsen
The sheeples meanwhile are in ample supply.
The companies are arguing that we have a non availability of certain skills, so we need more H1b. But anti immigrants argument is ok you just prove it and get more people. Grassley is asking ok you are saying that you have lack of high skilled persons, first test it with US workers and if no availability then get H1b. But Corporations are not ready for that. They want excellent skills but as cheap as possible. But if companies can tell the truth that they need only profit and want to create more competition then they can ask the same to congress and get the bill to be passed. They very well aware that if they tell the truth they will never get single sponsor. Even Hatch is saying we have terrible shortage of skills at the same time not accepting the test for that. That is pure hyprocrisy. I am sure you are boldly supporting globalization and competition but can you sell to US and US congress. That is were practical difficulty comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
I do not have any association with ** but I was following them from the day they started. Initially they were left and right supporting unlimited immigration and if anyone tell corrections they ban without any hesitation. You could see hundreds of postings against Senator Grassley from 2007 to 2010. But after 5 years they came to situation of negotiating with him and after HR3012 I saw many were praising him a lot in 2012. Everyone needs suffering to learn lesson and repeated failures will teach a lesson. If somehow H1b increase is passed then no motivation for EB immigration. So priority will go down further. So any bill cannot override Grassley for next 2 years. So now no immigration increase for 2 years
Ramsen - sorry if i came across as critical of YOU personally. That was not my objective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsen
I believe Hatch is still ok and a reasonable guy. But grassley sessions are outright useless from immigration perspective and it would be a terrible mistake to partner with them.
Other than advocacy - I think there is a judicial path that a pro-immigrant organization can and should take. But nobody has done that yet. American justice system is the best in the world. And immigrants will be surprised how well it works if they try to raise their voice against injustices.
For starters I believe the whole notion of country quota is against American values of "All men are born equal". The moment you decide country quota based on where you are "Born" - that principle has gone out the window.
I am 100% sure if a challenge is made in the courts - that the courts will raise eyebrows on how the existing laws and whether they are against the constitution.
I am making a random comment that doesn't have to do anything with the debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
In the 4 companies that I have worked for (just changed yet another job...green card zindabaad!!!), I have realized something.
- For every 100 people in a company (and that includes really large and successful brands...think Microsoft), there is about 1 person who the company really needs. The rest 99 (which can include people up to the VP's level) are totally disposable. Sometimes, the higher ups are downright atrocious and sink the ship faster than the Titanic. Usually, the 1 important person is a super rock star developer.
- The important super rock star developer usually thinks 10 times faster than even the good ones and can pinpoint the right solution among hundreds of possible solution in a matter of hours. Even the good ones will fumble around for weeks before finding the right answer. The super rock star developer will know enough about entire line of products, the coding architecture, and can usually solve complex and incomprehensible issues. There is nothing that can stop this person.
- Sometimes, the rock star developer will be known by everyone. Often times though, he/she is just not known and is toiling away in anonymity. I have seen instances when the rock star made less money than even I did (I am no rock star).
Not every tech job is the same. Can you crank out a core library in a matter of days that will be used by tens of applications and your company's bottom line pretty much depends upon your code which will be executed a trillion times in real time against real world data 95% of which you haven't seen? If you cannot, then no...a tech job is not any other tech job.
No doubt about that sports! But that is a very different discussion - isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sportsfan33
Does anybody know whether the stay is on Obama's "entire" executive order? Or is it the DACA/DAPA aspect of it?
confirmed by multiple sources including USCIS director that the stay is only on extended DACA + DAPA...Quote:
Originally Posted by kuku82
don't worry!
That's some respite! Although legal immig fixes are through rule making process as I understand which can take years - someone please tell me I'm wrong on this!
I think the best thing to do would be to advocate for HR3012 style repeal of per country quotas. Everything else is too ambitious and once country quotas are repealed and it becomes everyone's problem you are a lot more likely to see action. Right now racist Congressmen like Sessions and Grassley don't care because it is an IC problem. Make it a problem for white people - Irish, Germans, etc. - and see how the tone changes.
Very interesting read although unlikely to succeed across both chambers but one can never say in politics
A few House Republicans have a novel approach for making up a shortfall in the Highway Trust Fund: attach legislation to increase the number of visas going to high-skilled workers.
Rep. Blake Farenthold of Texas said Thursday that the $118 billion in increased revenue from a bill to boost high-tech visas is nearly the same amount needed to make up the shortfall in the highway trust fund. Authority to spend money from the trust fund, which pays for most highway projects, expires May 31, and lawmakers are trying to come up with a fix.
"It addresses two things that need to be done: the highways and the high-skilled visas. It's trying to find the money in a way that's a little bit out of the box," Farenthold said.
He said he was working on the issue with GOP Rep. Mimi Walters of California. The two lawmakers sit both on the Judiciary and Transportation committees, the two panels with jurisdiction.
Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., looks favorably on the proposal, but it's not clear if it would find favor with House leadership.
Passing a bill to boost high-tech visas is at the top of the wish list for many in the business community. Such provisions were included in comprehensive immigration legislation that passed the Senate two years ago but died in the House. With a comprehensive immigration bill no longer on Congress' agenda, some lobbyists have been maneuvering for a way to get a high-tech visa bill through on its own, and attaching it to a must-pass item like the high-way bill could look like an appealing option — if a long-shot.
Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/news/busines...#storylink=cpy
I think the email this AM from the other site refers to possible visa recapture announcement on Monday
I believe so too. That's the only thing that makes sense given the timelines. It can't be a significant move on HR 213 bill, that won't see the light of day given the current dynamics with the judiciary committee. I don't think it can be EAD for I140 either. It's too early in the rule making process. I think it's the recapture that's coming our way.
Keeping fingers crossed. Typing with Fingers Crossed is hard.
To psychedelicNerd
I hope your statement is true. The legal authority will obviously be questioned (lawsuits/NumbersUSA etc). I am hoping that this news is substantiated by other news organizations throughout today.Unlike legislative action where they might be privy to information unknown to others due to lobbying efforts,administrative action is usually in the public realm and if an announcement was only days away,other organizations especially AILA should be mentioning this.We will wait and see
Gs1968,
what is this email you are talking about?
Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
CleanSock,
This is the email that came from the site that cannot be named...
Heads Up!
We wanted to provide you with a heads up about the upcoming positive announcement on Monday (5/4) so that you don't miss it. If you care for the green card backlog fixes and high-skilled immigration you do not want to miss this upcoming announcement.
Oh law firm seems to have a new post on the potential topic discussed in the "Heads Up" email we received last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by idiotic
It does appear to be about visa recapture through administrative fix. Could the President/Admin move so quickly with any kind of fix? Its only been a month an a half since the letter to the President requesting visa recapture.
I wouldn't be very hopeful about visa recapture through an "Administrative Fix".Quote:
Originally Posted by mechanical13
IMHO this would require congressional action because the numbers are governed by the law.
I'd be curious if somebody has information that supports "Administrative Fix" as a valid way for recapture.
https://watsonimmigration.wordpress....-unused-visas/Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
This is one the links I have seen in the past. I guess the law is not clear on this so it can go either way and it can be exploited if they want.
Again I am not so sure they are going to say anything about recapture on Monday.
** says that the positive news will impact everyone. Another news get ready to file I485 so that do not miss the opportunity. Those are indication for everyone to file GC. So it is either recapture or filing I485 without current. Worst case scenario is they will make everyone's PD current for a month or more. Best case scenario is recapture.Quote:
Originally Posted by geterdone
** had been saying all along that "visa recapture is impossible through administrative fix". It would be very interesting to see whether they will take a 180 degree turn on it. I am not basing my OPINION on law, but I always had a FEELING that recapture is possible through administrative fix. My reasoning is the visas were wasted not because of lack of demand but due to inefficiency of USCIS and DOS. If visas were sent back to DOS because of "lack of demand", that could not be recaptured by administrative fix because law covers this situation clearly. However if it was wasted because of inefficiency, there is scope for administration to step in and address it through administrative fix.
My opinion is same. It is not possible to do recapture by law. Again it is easy to find loophole. One loophole is they could use AC 21 if there were any remaining wasted visas from 1992. Also Administration could think that no one can successfully file a lawsuit as it is difficult to prove the standing in the case than merit of the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by gcq
Maybe it is mass amnesty for everyone via executive order? :rolleyes: Something that even tourists on the plane at this point in time to the US can benefit from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsen
Sadly, it seems like the blatant issues are not being fixed (EB1C misuse, per country limits), and lofty and difficult to implement ideas are being sought.
How I wish we had the courage to do something like Atlas Shrugged and abscond en-mass and see how this economy crumbles. Unfortunately, collective action is not something we execute with unity...
Sorry...13 years in this country without an end in sight can make you very cynical, I guess.
mech - collective action can make a difference. Try getting people together and challenge the country quota in courts. I think there is a strong case to be made there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mechanical13
This is just posted by **
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Please understand that there is a need to hold off until tomorrow for the Administration to make the official announcement. It will be wrong for us or for that matter anyone to get ahead of the Administration and violate the trust.
As you are aware that we have been strongest advocate of recapture and dependents exemptions. But you may also be aware and we have all along shared this in the past that it is very difficult to do recapture and dependents exemptions as Admin fix.
Whatever is announced tomorrow, rest assured that Administration did everything possible within the legal authority of the President. We all have a lot to be thankful for to the President, the WH staff and the Obama Administration.
Please manage your expectations to look at the announcement with an open mind and please try to see beyond the obvious.
It's going to be a good day tomorrow.
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Therein lies the rub. The discrimination angle is the result of the law and not the law itself. The law is unfair due to limiting numbers based on country of birth where not every country has the same amount of population. So this results in discrimination.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
Granted it can be argued that national origin should not be used as a limiting basis, but the result can go either way.
This also shows the true intent of AiLa and lawyers in general. Since this will benefit the entire community, why is no lawyer taking this up as a pro bono case? Because they care only about their money and actually do not care about people stuck in this mess.
Hope this helps to temper expectations. Also some things that could have been are not, due to shifting ground realities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suva2001
My understanding is that the laws can be challenged too if they go against the constitution.
I am not a constitutional expert (duh!) but I believe the whole idea of country quota is totally against the declaration of independence proclaiming "All men are created equal". And thus i think the law itself can be challenged in the court and the country quota can be struck down.
Given that there are not other stakeholders for EB-I folks - I think they must take matters in their own hands.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nathang
I completely agree with your Q, and I do think that an open challenge in court would be well heard with potentially good outcomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
Unfortunately, there are several things that hinder such action:
1)Misaligned incentives of lawyers: Right now, there is a lot of money to be made via the whole clogged system. AILA appears to be full of benevolent vampires (blood sucking) that want to help, but not help enough to remedy the situation. What we need is someone with very deep pockets (Mark Zukerberg types) who is willing to force mercenary lawyers to fight the good fight.
2)The best option is to classify this as a class action, since there are so many of us who are uniformly impacted. To create a "class", we do need to share our details and come together documentarily. There is enormous hesitation among the Indian community to do any such thing due to a variety of reasons (ranging from 'body shopping' to family situation).
3) The grassroots organizations that exist (e.g. **) are so busy creating some form of consensus among the fragmented Indian community and trying to pursue this in a 'Gandhian' way. Lobbying, soft-peddling and cajoling is probably one way to achieve an end. We need an organization that is willing to take things on in a more abrasive manner.
Maybe if we can get enough critical mass via Q's - we can kick something off.
Thoughts?
Thanks Mech. Not all lawyers are bloodsuckers. There are a few who deeply care about law and justice. So I am sure finding one will be difficult but not impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by mechanical13
Doing something is a great idea. Lets see what other people think about it.
Why is this forum so quit? Some of the other websites have already crashed!
we are not quitters! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Suva2001
Just kidding. :p
whats the point of speculating till we actually hear something official... Nobody has any information other than ** and they are not sharing it.
Recent post on Facebook by **:
We are working on this AAO's amicus curiae briefing separately but that is not part of the announcement. As much as we would like to share with everyone, it must be announced by the official channel. So we request everyone to please sit back relax and hang-in there until the official announcement.
Saw update on Oh-Law stating "Watch Visa Bulletin"