EB2-3 Predictions (Rather Calculations) 2015-2020

Hi Q/spec and other gurus here,

Any idea when EB3 India might reach 2006? If USCIS and DOS did not screw up the allocation it would have been cleared by this time. Given this incompetence and past trends can you guys provide some insights? Really appreciate your thoughts. This has been a very long frustrating process and now I am becoming restless.

Best Regards
Amulchandra

https://www.oig.dhs.gov/assets/TM/20...-JR-031617.pdf

Check this. Are there any allocation errors going on because of the new system rolled out in May 2013? See the last section in page 3 to page 4.

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

There are two explanations at a high level 1) The improving economy and 2) Systemic discrimination faced by EB-I.

1) The economy became better and better and increased demand across the board including ROW demand. Given how spillovers are entirely dependent on ROW - no wonder EB2/3 are affected. EB5 hasn't helped nor EB4 religious folks. They are coming in droves and so no spillovers.

2) Systemic discrimination - this is a very nuanced point. I have been analyzing GC allocation since 2005. In my observation DoS has a visceral feeling against allocating any GC visas to Indians. They will find every excuse to divert visas to other countries. First they simply used to not give out visas. When there was a huge uproar over this and in 2003 visas were recaptured via a bill ... they started allocating visas by conveniently applying a wrong interpretation of visa allocation (fall down rather than across) interpretation. When that was declared illegal .... for a few years they had to allocated 20-30K visas to EB2I which came to a halt when they started clearing other countries backlogs - first in 485 then in 140 and then at labor level. In last few years we are seeing them allocating EB visas to FB categories under the pretense that 7% rule is across EB and FB categories.

One can argue my arguments here and there ... and that's fine ... what one can't argue is the fact that Indians are the most discriminated people in green card allocation. Just because you were born in India makes you the lowlife of green card allocation.

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Thanks Q.
I wonder if this exploitation starts right from the PERM from the employer side and attorney combined.
I think many of the MS guys are offered EB3 at PERM stage itself so that they are stuck in place for decades.
How many new Eb3I would be in the pipeline with PDs' of 2016? despite knowing well that it would take decades to get a result?

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

There are two explanations at a high level 1) The improving economy and 2) Systemic discrimination faced by EB-I.

1) The economy became better and better and increased demand across the board including ROW demand. Given how spillovers are entirely dependent on ROW - no wonder EB2/3 are affected. EB5 hasn't helped nor EB4 religious folks. They are coming in droves and so no spillovers.

2) Systemic discrimination - this is a very nuanced point. I have been analyzing GC allocation since 2005. In my observation DoS has a visceral feeling against allocating any GC visas to Indians. They will find every excuse to divert visas to other countries. First they simply used to not give out visas. When there was a huge uproar over this and in 2003 visas were recaptured via a bill ... they started allocating visas by conveniently applying a wrong interpretation of visa allocation (fall down rather than across) interpretation. When that was declared illegal .... for a few years they had to allocated 20-30K visas to EB2I which came to a halt when they started clearing other countries backlogs - first in 485 then in 140 and then at labor level. In last few years we are seeing them allocating EB visas to FB categories under the pretense that 7% rule is across EB and FB categories.

One can argue my arguments here and there ... and that's fine ... what one can't argue is the fact that Indians are the most discriminated people in green card allocation. Just because you were born in India makes you the lowlife of green card allocation.

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BVSamrat, As you observed correctly indeed those filing today in EB3 are in for a very long wait unless something fundamentally changes.

However it is not just EB3 - same is true for EB2 today. Both are severely backlogged for EB-I.

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Originally Posted by bvsamrat

Thanks Q.
I wonder if this exploitation starts right from the PERM from the employer side and attorney combined.
I think many of the MS guys are offered EB3 at PERM stage itself so that they are stuck in place for decades.
How many new Eb3I would be in the pipeline with PDs' of 2016? despite knowing well that it would take decades to get a result?

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Q. I just wanted to overview the big picture which is sometimes missed. Select horses for the courses
If it is for jobs and settling in Us, then the route through MS is quite long and uncertain as it has been since last 10 years.
I am not sure if campus recruitment is good and effective.
One of my known friends from IIT got admission in a top US PHD college in 2006, but left after 1 year once he saw the situation. Went back joined an IT firm and came back soon to settle in USA.

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

BVSamrat, As you observed correctly indeed those filing today in EB3 are in for a very long wait unless something fundamentally changes.

However it is not just EB3 - same is true for EB2 today. Both are severely backlogged for EB-I.

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I was looking at april visa bulletin.
EB3-I moved only 2 days from 22-MAR-05 to 24-MAR-05. However EB3 ROW is at 15FEB17.

Doesn't it mean that EB3-ROW is going to be current in not so distant future ?
March 2017 bulletin

April 2017 bulletin

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Originally Posted by gcq

I was looking at april visa bulletin.
EB3-I moved only 2 days from 22-MAR-05 to 24-MAR-05. However EB3 ROW is at 15FEB17.

Doesn't it mean that EB3-ROW is going to be current in not so distant future ?
March 2017 bulletin

April 2017 bulletin

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Technically, EB3ROW is Current and has been current for a while considering the PERM processing time. EB2ROW has a much higher pending inventory. Considering EB2 will not get any vertical SO, it is still at "C" while EB3ROW is not. It is CO's conservative nature, that is all which eventually leads to mis-allocation of visas. EB3s have always paid the highest price, including EB3ROW.

I must say he is a wise guy!

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Originally Posted by bvsamrat

Q. I just wanted to overview the big picture which is sometimes missed. Select horses for the courses
If it is for jobs and settling in Us, then the route through MS is quite long and uncertain as it has been since last 10 years.
I am not sure if campus recruitment is good and effective.
One of my known friends from IIT got admission in a top US PHD college in 2006, but left after 1 year once he saw the situation. Went back joined an IT firm and came back soon to settle in USA.

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Hello,

I have been following this forum for long and you guys are doing amazing job by helping others. Special thanks to those who are greened already and still answering the questions to the needy. :)

I am EB2-I and my PD is Sep 15, 2010. Can anyone calculate on my Dates for Filling or Final Action Dates to be current?

It's been almost a decade I went to India. I always thought that I will visit India once greened. I know that sounds crazy, but still waiting!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by richie.rich

Hello,

I have been following this forum for long and you guys are doing amazing job by helping others. Special thanks to those who are greened already and still answering the questions to the needy. :)

I am EB2-I and my PD is Sep 15, 2010. Can anyone calculate on my Dates for Filling or Final Action Dates to be current?

It's been almost a decade I went to India. I always thought that I will visit India once greened. I know that sounds crazy, but still waiting!!! ;)

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If you are only looking to get greened and then go to India, you are probably looking at another decade of waiting. Probably more if CO feels more generous towards EB1.

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Originally Posted by EB3Iwaiting

If you are only looking to get greened and then go to India, you are probably looking at another decade of waiting. Probably more if CO feels more generous towards EB1.

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On a cynical note.. you'll probably go to India within the next 10 years due to a immigration snafu than due to getting your GC. ;). There's no light at the end of the tunnel unless you can upgrade yourself to EB1.

Ironically .. have you noticed my username?? :D:D

CO's remarks to AILA have started being published.

There's not a lot of concrete information on how dates might move (there was no comment about EB2/EB3 India), but CO did give some information about EB1 use by China and India in FY2017.

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EB-1 India and China:

Per country limits of 2,800 visas has been reached for both, with EB-1 India using more than 9,000 numbers, and EB-1 China using more than 4,500 numbers. Once the spillover visa numbers from other categories have been used up, Final Action cut-off date "will likely be imposed for both countries at some point this summer."

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I suppose it depends on your definition of "summer" and what the worldwide use is compared to last year, but action appears not more than 2 months away at most with that demand pattern.

For reference, EB1-China used 6,711 in FY2016 and EB1-India used 10,985 in FY2016. At the moment, it appears India will use a greater relative % of EB1 visas in FY2017 compared to China at the time "corrective action" is required than was the case in FY2016.


The article can be found here.

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Originally Posted by Spectator

CO's remarks to AILA have started being published.

There's not a lot of concrete information on how dates might move (there was no comment about EB2/EB3 India), but CO did give some information about EB1 use by China and India in FY2017.



I suppose it depends on your definition of "summer" and what the worldwide use is compared to last year, but action appears not more than 2 months away at most with that demand pattern.

For reference, EB1-China used 6,711 in FY2016 and EB1-India used 10,985 in FY2016. At the moment, it appears India will use a greater relative % of EB1 visas in FY2017 compared to China at the time "corrective action" is required than was the case in FY2016.


The article can be found here.

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It looks like we will soon have more "International managers' than developers....wow....way to go

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Originally Posted by Spectator

CO's remarks to AILA have started being published.

There's not a lot of concrete information on how dates might move (there was no comment about EB2/EB3 India), but CO did give some information about EB1 use by China and India in FY2017.



I suppose it depends on your definition of "summer" and what the worldwide use is compared to last year, but action appears not more than 2 months away at most with that demand pattern.

For reference, EB1-China used 6,711 in FY2016 and EB1-India used 10,985 in FY2016. At the moment, it appears India will use a greater relative % of EB1 visas in FY2017 compared to China at the time "corrective action" is required than was the case in FY2016.


The article can be found here.

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Bet most of the EB1-I usage was EB1-C. Have heard all kinds of stories about how Indian IT companies are making anyone manager.

Ridiculous system - discriminatory for sure but we have also made a total mockery of it.

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Originally Posted by abcx13

Bet most of the EB1-I usage was EB1-C. Have heard all kinds of stories about how Indian IT companies are making anyone manager.

Ridiculous system - discriminatory for sure but we have also made a total mockery of it.

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I know two people who happen to be "Multi-national Managers". One guy was working in a shop for 35,000 dollars per year (17 dollar per hour) and the other guy was a manager in a grocery shop. Both got GCs in less than an year. Oh well...

Is the termination of H-1B premium processing (albeit temporarily for 6 months) expected to have any impact on the availability of visa numbers?

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Originally Posted by abcx13

Bet most of the EB1-I usage was EB1-C. Have heard all kinds of stories about how Indian IT companies are making anyone manager.

Ridiculous system - discriminatory for sure but we have also made a total mockery of it.

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I have heard that in some companies same resource reports 4-5 international managers at same time- if we go by org chart 😄😄- very creative... excellent

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Originally Posted by suninphx

I have heard that in some companies same resource reports 4-5 international managers at same time- if we go by org chart ����- very creative... excellent

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Some of this is true but some people who are offshore don't really exist (per companies they left after the applicant got his GC)

I don't get one simple thing - Why doesn't DOL/USCIS get the fact that how can one company need 5K managers every year that too in technology. common sense :(

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Originally Posted by smuggymba

Some of this is true but some people who are offshore don't really exist (per companies they left after the applicant got his GC)

I don't get one simple thing - Why doesn't DOL/USCIS get the fact that how can one company need 5K managers every year that too in technology. common sense :(

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True. Plus EB1A and EB1B are really scrutinized and hard to get; but not EB1C. I know someone with a PhD and several technical papers in cancer research. Apparently his immigration attorneys told that he doesn't have enough credentials to apply for EB1. Sad!

The biggest issue which will come back and bite this country is the decline in students in the universities.
http://indianexpress.com/article/edu...dents-4587412/

As soon as the news gets out that that getting MS and PhD from the US is a waste of time, then the university system will lose millions of dollars of revenue.

Iatiam

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ts-u-s-cinemas

Its only going to be watched by Indians/chinese waiting for greencard. Meaning enough to make ot a commercial success. That's why a VC funded it.. coz it will bring him dough. No American lawmaker or any commoner would watch it. No one cares. Its only going to make few people rich. It will have no affect on policy making.

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Originally Posted by abcx13

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ts-u-s-cinemas

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https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...y2017_qtr1.pdf

Q1 performance data by USCIS.

In the data it showed 33256 approved 485 cases. Based on the trackit data and prevous trackit data, I was able to break down the estimate of the approvals.

EB1 India 6000
Non Indian 7500
EB2 India 714
ROW 9500
C+M+P 1200
EB3 India 1040
ROW 4500
C+M+P 2000

Don't scream at me if your numbers are different from mine.

May 2017 VB published.

https://travel.state.gov/content/vis...-may-2017.html

So, no movement in Final Action Dates.
2 Month drop in filing dates. Amazing :)

Yes, that was expected. EB2I finds it hard to move because of porters. But interestingly, look at the EB3I filing dates. It moved to 22nd April 2006. So, that is where they probably expect the dates to be by end of FY 2017. So, good SO coming for EB3I this year it seems.

Unless of course, CO decides to funnel the GCs to another category or DOL/USCIS starts processing ROWs faster to keep Indians waiting longer.

I have a basic question - Looking at the latest pending i nventory (https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...nuary_2017.pdf), it is clear that EB2ROW has more demand than EB3ROW. In that case, why is EB2ROW current while EB3ROW is not? For more than a year, EB3ROW has consistently had low demand. What is stopping them from making the category current?

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Originally Posted by EB3Iwaiting

But interestingly, look at the EB3I filing dates. It moved to 22nd April 2006. So, that is where they probably expect the dates to be by end of FY 2017. So, good SO coming for EB3I this year it seems.

Unless of course, CO decides to funnel the GCs to another category or DOL/USCIS starts processing ROWs faster to keep Indians waiting longer.

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Hi all,

What do you guys think about the filing dates movement for EB3 India. Do you guys think 2006 PDs will finally see the day light.

Thanks
Amul

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Originally Posted by amulchandra

Hi all,

What do you guys think about the filing dates movement for EB3 India. Do you guys think 2006 PDs will finally see the day light.

Thanks
Amul

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Since CO updated the Filing dates very close to Q4, it seems he now has a pretty good idea of the SO that EB3I may end up getting. So, as per his latest calculations, EB3I should have its Final Action date around 22nd April 2006 by end of FY 2017. To reach that date, EB3I should get around 5200 GCs this year considering EB3I started at 1 March 2005. Last year EB3I received around 4500 GCs while taking into factor that some 2500 GCs were taken out from EB3 (which could have resulted in more EB3I GCs) and given to EB1 along with higher ROW PERM processing. This year ROW PERM demand is lower than last year, so India eventually getting 5200 GCs this year is certainly possible.

Considering the low ROW PERMs compared to last year, this year's EB3I GC allocation should actually be higher in my mind, but I presume CO will take out some from EB3 and give it to EB1 and there is also EB3P demand. So, considering these two factors, 5200 EB3I allocation for FY 2017 is certainly possible.

Spec and other gurus can of course provide their thoughts.

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Originally Posted by EB3Iwaiting

Since CO updated the Filing dates very close to Q4, it seems he now has a pretty good idea of the SO that EB3I may end up getting. So, as per his latest calculations, EB3I should have its Final Action date around 22nd April 2006 by end of FY 2017. To reach that date, EB3I should get around 5200 GCs this year considering EB3I started at 1 March 2005. Last year EB3I received around 4500 GCs while taking into factor that some 2500 GCs were taken out from EB3 (which could have resulted in more EB3I GCs) and given to EB1 along with higher ROW PERM processing. This year ROW PERM demand is lower than last year, so India eventually getting 5200 GCs this year is certainly possible.

Considering the low ROW PERMs compared to last year, this year's EB3I GC allocation should actually be higher in my mind, but I presume CO will take out some from EB3 and give it to EB1 and there is also EB3P demand. So, considering these two factors, 5200 EB3I allocation for FY 2017 is certainly possible.

Spec and other gurus can of course provide their thoughts.

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Thank you very much. Hope your words come true.

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Originally Posted by EB3Iwaiting

Since CO updated the Filing dates very close to Q4, it seems he now has a pretty good idea of the SO that EB3I may end up getting. So, as per his latest calculations, EB3I should have its Final Action date around 22nd April 2006 by end of FY 2017. To reach that date, EB3I should get around 5200 GCs this year considering EB3I started at 1 March 2005. Last year EB3I received around 4500 GCs while taking into factor that some 2500 GCs were taken out from EB3 (which could have resulted in more EB3I GCs) and given to EB1 along with higher ROW PERM processing. This year ROW PERM demand is lower than last year, so India eventually getting 5200 GCs this year is certainly possible.

Considering the low ROW PERMs compared to last year, this year's EB3I GC allocation should actually be higher in my mind, but I presume CO will take out some from EB3 and give it to EB1 and there is also EB3P demand. So, considering these two factors, 5200 EB3I allocation for FY 2017 is certainly possible.

Spec and other gurus can of course provide their thoughts.

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Does it mean that some point in 2018 we will effectively deplete the entire EB3I inventory? If the dates move to April 2016 this year then there is only about 6,000 people more in the inventory left which could all be gone by the next year. Does it also mean the dates will move to generate inventory in 2018?

iatiam

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Originally Posted by iatiam

I know two people who happen to be "Multi-national Managers". One guy was working in a shop for 35,000 dollars per year (17 dollar per hour) and the other guy was a manager in a grocery shop. Both got GCs in less than an year. Oh well...

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I completely agree with you and I think I stated here previously also here. The only way the companies can be forced not to misuse the system is by forcing them to adhere to competitive salary structure (specifically when they are IT Managers and are paid only 55/65k and any IT Managers get paid more than 100k in the outside market). If these Indian IT companies are forced to follow this salary structure (like LCA salary), more than half of these positions will be gone (along with the GCs they are sponsoring for those Managers/L1 Visas) and lives of EB2 and EB3 folks will be a little easier.

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Originally Posted by zenmaster

So, no movement in Final Action Dates.
2 Month drop in filing dates. Amazing :)

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EB2I situation is not as bad as it appears from the current visa bulletin. It is in a consolidation phase. In upcoming June visa bulletin, you will find that EB2I dates have advanced by a whooping 4 years on year-on-year basis!! Last June the dates were in 2004. It is unfortunate that spill-over/across situation is not good this year, but there are some other tailwinds to compensate for that. Come next year, porting will insignificant. EB3I is getting a good spillover this year and that will help.

All and all, I will be happy if EB3I ends up in 2006 and EB2I leaves 2008 behind by the end of current year! It looks like a certainty for EB3I and for EB2I, we will see!!

EB3I inventory building is not far away. I would imagine that by the start of FY2019 (i.e Oct 2018) there won't be enough EB3Is left and they will have to shift to inventory building mode.

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Originally Posted by iatiam

Does it mean that some point in 2018 we will effectively deplete the entire EB3I inventory? If the dates move to April 2016 this year then there is only about 6,000 people more in the inventory left which could all be gone by the next year. Does it also mean the dates will move to generate inventory in 2018?

iatiam

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I disagree. Situation for EB2I is worse than we even imagine. Yes - we may enter 2009 by end of current FY. But then we are looking at may be 3-5 years just to get out of 2009 - and 2009 is the lightest year in recent history as far as demand density is concerned. 2010 is dense comparatively - it will be not be 9-10 years from now until we reach end of 2010.

Of course things can change. Just see how quickly China demand evaporated in EB2/3. Same may happen to S. Korea. Trump slump may deepen in all immigration activities. We may have another recession that depresses job market. We may even have immigration legislation! But given current trends - EB2I situation is beyond dire - its nearly hopeless for people getting in the queue right now or those who joined in last couple years.

Pre 07/07 people lucked out - got EADs, pre 04/2010 people lucked out as USCIS over-inventoried and got EADs. Folks who joined after that need a similar lucky break as without EAD, I don't know how people will wait out for 8-10-more years.

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Originally Posted by vedu

EB2I situation is not as bad as it appears from the current visa bulletin. It is in a consolidation phase. In upcoming June visa bulletin, you will find that EB2I dates have advanced by a whooping 4 years on year-on-year basis!! Last June the dates were in 2004. It is unfortunate that spill-over/across situation is not good this year, but there are some other tailwinds to compensate for that. Come next year, porting will insignificant. EB3I is getting a good spillover this year and that will help.

All and all, I will be happy if EB3I ends up in 2006 and EB2I leaves 2008 behind by the end of current year! It looks like a certainty for EB3I and for EB2I, we will see!!

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Originally Posted by imdeng

I disagree. Situation for EB2I is worse than we even imagine. Yes - we may enter 2009 by end of current FY. But then we are looking at may be 3-5 years just to get out of 2009 - and 2009 is the lightest year in recent history as far as demand density is concerned. 2010 is dense comparatively - it will be not be 9-10 years from now until we reach end of 2010.

Of course things can change. Just see how quickly China demand evaporated in EB2/3. Same may happen to S. Korea. Trump slump may deepen in all immigration activities. We may have another recession that depresses job market. We may even have immigration legislation! But given current trends - EB2I situation is beyond dire - its nearly hopeless for people getting in the queue right now or those who joined in last couple years.

Pre 07/07 people lucked out - got EADs, pre 04/2010 people lucked out as USCIS over-inventoried and got EADs. Folks who joined after that need a similar lucky break as without EAD, I don't know how people will wait out for 8-10-more years.

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True with EB2. But folks in EB2 in 09 and 10 wont reverse port to EB3?

Will that not help since there might not be many left in EB3 in 08 , 09 and 10?

To put some of the comments into perspective, here's the number of PERM certifications for India by PD year (from A number)

2007 - 23,098
2008 - 23,746
2009 - 16,672
2010 - 22,355
2011 - 30,014
2012 - 36,850
2013 - 36,145
2014 - 41,318
2015 - 45,427

It's unknowable to us how many cases in each year relate to porting to an earlier year, are new cases in the same category with an earlier PD established, represent cases where both spouses have a case etc etc, but it's probably fair to say that overall numbers have increased substantially since 2009.

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Originally Posted by Spectator

To put some of the comments into perspective, here's the number of PERM certifications for India by PD year (from A number)

2007 - 23,098
2008 - 23,746
2009 - 16,672
2010 - 22,355
2011 - 30,014
2012 - 36,850
2013 - 36,145
2014 - 41,318
2015 - 45,427

It's unknowable to us how many cases in each year relate to porting to an earlier year, are new cases in the same category with an earlier PD established, represent cases where both spouses have a case etc etc, but it's probably fair to say that overall numbers have increased substantially since 2009.

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Even if we discount 20% for the factors cited above, and assume a moderate 70:30 EB2:EB3 ratio, the number of potential EB2I 485 applicants for year 2015(only) would be ~50K

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Originally Posted by imdeng

Pre 07/07 people lucked out - got EADs, pre 04/2010 people lucked out as USCIS over-inventoried and got EADs. Folks who joined after that need a similar lucky break as without EAD, I don't know how people will wait out for 8-10-more years.

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True. Here is my view.
Pre 2004 people (both EB2/3) lucked out due to visa recapture.
Pre 2007 EB2 got lucked out due to 2008 economic slow down and got GCs.
Pre 2010 folks at least got EADs during another wave (dont remember the timing).

But the road ahead is terribly tough for EB-India and overall EB category. The first thing that must happen is "Removal of Country Quota" and second thing that must happen is "Lifting or removal of Overall Cap for EB".

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Originally Posted by Spectator

To put some of the comments into perspective, here's the number of PERM certifications for India by PD year (from A number)

2007 - 23,098
2008 - 23,746
2009 - 16,672
2010 - 22,355
2011 - 30,014
2012 - 36,850
2013 - 36,145
2014 - 41,318
2015 - 45,427

It's unknowable to us how many cases in each year relate to porting to an earlier year, are new cases in the same category with an earlier PD established, represent cases where both spouses have a case etc etc, but it's probably fair to say that overall numbers have increased substantially since 2009.

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Thanks Spec. Excellent view of how demand has increased. Indeed barely 20% increase will be due to porting. But overall these are all H1Bs that have now matured and settled in their roles and are applying for GCs.

It is systemic racism to deny these people green cards.

Friends - this whole country cap is "SYSTEMIC RACISM". Lets start calling it that.

Hello everyone,

Real story here: After working in India for 3 years in a top company, I came to the US for Masters in a top university. After graduating in 2009, got a job in a top tech smartphone company. Unfortunately they didn't sponsor in EB2 and had to shift to another top tech company in Silicon Valley. And finally had my place in the EB2 line with a priority date of July 2014.

But after working long hours for so many years, I had a burnout and badly needed a break. After lot of contemplation, I finally had the realization that I'll never get a green card with a PD of July 2014.

So I migrated to Australia and now am working as a senior analyst and earning close to what I was in the US. I have the Australian PR (Green Card) and do not have any restrictions in terms of jobs or travel.

I am also starting my own company and it is off to a good start. I hope to make $500,000 within the next 4-5 years and invest that in the US (or move my company to US) and file for my green card in EB5.

I don't see any other alternative.

I urge all my fellow GC hopefuls to be open minded about other countries (or India) and just follow your dream and passion. If you are not happy at your place, just leave that place and find your next destination. Life is too short to waste hoping for a green card, which seems to take eternity at this pace. My personal view is that all the stress of layoffs, lack of promotions, long hours is just not worth it. Life is supposed to be full of happiness and joy, not stress and tension. At least that is my personal view.

Just my two cents. Thanks for reading.

Best of luck!

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

True. Here is my view.
Pre 2004 people (both EB2/3) lucked out due to visa recapture.
Pre 2007 EB2 got lucked out due to 2008 economic slow down and got GCs.
Pre 2010 folks at least got EADs during another wave (dont remember the timing).

But the road ahead is terribly tough for EB-India and overall EB category. The first thing that must happen is "Removal of Country Quota" and second thing that must happen is "Lifting or removal of Overall Cap for EB".



Thanks Spec. Excellent view of how demand has increased. Indeed barely 20% increase will be due to porting. But overall these are all H1Bs that have now matured and settled in their roles and are applying for GCs.

It is systemic racism to deny these people green cards.

Friends - this whole country cap is "SYSTEMIC RACISM". Lets start calling it that.

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I totally agree. I am one of those EB3 Folks who 'Lucked out'!! Hopefully folks in line will have some luck coming their way this in July.