It's a mechanism to slow things down and get more controversy. Sessions has some pretty far out amendments. Grassleys seem more reasonable.
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It's a mechanism to slow things down and get more controversy. Sessions has some pretty far out amendments. Grassleys seem more reasonable.
This is by far the most fascinating amendement, by a supposed "anti", Sen. Cruz, who is actually proposing 1,012,500 visas for EB, which shows he is anti-illegal immigration, but not anti-immigration:
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legi...(MDM13526).pdf
Republicans in general are pro-legal immigration and more specifically skilled immigration but are sooo insanely anti-illegal immigration that they come across as anti-immigration.Quote:
Originally Posted by justvisiting
PS: there's also no chance that makes it in. He's reducing FB numbers too.
I found this article interesting. The punitive mindset is appalling
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration...ill/?mobile=nc
This is even more interesting!
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013...umb-amendments
I know we focus here more on the high skilled employment component but I personallythink the family re-unification visas are probably going to be retained as well in the end.The Asian-American lobby is starting to get very active and the number of visas is not large enough to cause heartache.The press releases from the Asian organizations is very positive
Agreed it has no chance. Just wanted to clarify, he's actually increasing numbers for FB, from 226K to 335K... and reclasifying spuses/children of LPRs as IRs, which frees up a bunch. Also this is the only amendment I could find that would let LPRs sponsor thier parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
To viz & justvisiting
It is also worth noting that only a fraction of these amendments will actually receive discussion and votes.There is usually a stage of amendment fatigue that sets in after a few mark-up sessions
As for Ted Cruz-he will not allow any naturalization of undocumented aliens
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...om-citizenship
This was tweeted to me
"Rep. Gutierrez, member of House Gang of 8, says if they don't roll out a bill by the end of May there's probably nothing being rolled out"
So the Senate Bill may be all there is to fight over-Hopefully they can balance it well to please enough people if not everybody to get it across the finish line
Remember these vote counts for Simpson-Mazzoli Bill in 1986
Senate Bill 69-30
House Bill -230-166
Conference report
Senate 63-24
House 238-173
Another interesting article
http://www.policymic.com/articles/40...ration-success
I found a link to Rep.Gutierrez's above statement
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/29...#ixzz2SjN2prkZ
I think the markup is going to start with Trigger provisions and then proceed title by title.Markups will be every Tuesday and Thursday till work is finished and a final Bill reported
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...l#.UYqMO66DUEc
Is there a process where additional amendments can be filed ? I know there are whatever now and some subset will actually be raised in the committee meetings. Is that the extent of it - atleast as far the Senate process goes?Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
To vizcard
The deadline for filing amendments for the Committee stage of the Bill is over.If no major changes are made to the Bill then it will be reported with whatever amendments are included.If substantial changes are made-then the text is replaced with one amendment and the amendment is reported in the nature of a substitute. In the case of this Bill no sequential referral was made to other committees and so once it completes the process in the Judiciary committee-it will be reported to the Senate Floor. There has to be unanimous consent for sequential referral to other committees and any one senator can object and there is a potential for the Bill to be slowed down and I think this may be the reason for not referring to other committees
Once on the Senate Floor other senators can file amendments regardless of relevance but once cloture is filed only germane amendments are allowed. Theoretically at this stage endless amendments are possible but the floor managers including the Senate Majority/Minority leaders agree on a certain number of amendments per side usually equal
In other words a long way to go!!
Some of the stringent amendments from GOP in plain english
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration...igration-bill/
Out of those listed in the article, the ones by Chuck Grassley are the most outrageous!
Quote:
Originally Posted by kuku82
Going by opening statements it looks like it will clear committee by 13-5 at the very least(Hatch sounds like he is on board too). Cornyn's position is unclear but 14-4 would be fantastic!
Ruchi Sanghvi, Dropbox VP, testifies on immigration reform
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10100789294634021
I don't know about that. Sessions and Cruz really have some that are ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleanSock
Edit: I was referring to the complete set of amendments - not just the ones in the article.
First block of 11 amendments passed by #SJC. All were pre-agreed to.The amendments are Cornyn6; Feinstein6,7,8, Flake1,2; Hirono24; Leahy1; Sessions36; Grassley2,5 to S.744 - all adopted by voice vote
First test of Go8 unity passes
Grassley amendment to delay the RPI status till Congress certifies border is secure was defeated 12-6
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov/legi...AS13439%29.pdf
how many amendments have been discussed? I would think including the block probably about 15 - 20
Lee amendment 4 to give power to congress for "the last say"of DHS border security plan fails 6-12
Grassley 1 which expands border resources in all sectors rather than "high-risk" passes by voice vote
Grassley 24 Amendment to S.744 was adopted by voice vote by the Senate Judiciary Committee.This amendment would more closely track grant money that's in the bill
With 17 amendments considered so far, Senate Judiciary Committee recesses till 130PM
At this rate it'll probably take atleast 8-10 days to get through these. I doubt there will be any more block amendments. So it should reach the floor by mid-June latest and get voted on by before the July 4th holiday. Cant ask for anything more I guess.
For those who want to see the list of which amendments have been adopted and which were voted against with detailed information of each amendment :
http://www.judiciary.senate.gov
Thanks for the link. On an average Senators have filed anywhere between 6-24 amendments. "Sessions" has filed 49 amendments. Mr. Grassley has filed no less than 77 amendments!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CleanSock
Had to share this tweet!
Dear,@GOP, when it comes to #immigration, if you Cruz, you lose.
Feinstein 9 gives fed $ to states, tribal, local govs to criminally prosecute. Just Passed on voice vote.
Sessions' Amendment 37 (to strike bill requiring DHS policies regarding use of force) fails 11-7.
Good first day. All amendments to Title 1 have been discussed and closed. Next comes Title 2 - Immigrant Visas - a topic thats close to the hearts for most of us.
Correction - next will be Title 4 - non- immigrant visas on 5/14
http://davidleopold.net/2013/05/14/s...744-cirmarkup/
Summary of amendments by Title/ topic and current status.
Amendment passed (17-1) that would set up a toll free number and webpage at DOL for people to report that they have been displaced by a foreign worker. A report on usage will be made to Congress after 1 year.
Grassley asking very pointed Qs about pet provisions about Irish and cruise ships!
Grassley 58 amendment requiring job title and location of job to be part of the posting on the DOL website was passed by voice vote (appeared unanimous).
Hatch 9 amendment to increase LC fee from $500 to $1,000 and use the funds to support STEM Education was amended (clarified) by another amendment (Coons etc) was passed unanimously by voice vote (from I-squared Bill).
Grassley amendment to instigate 1% audit of companies started but they have now recessed until 2.45PM.
Grassley's passive aggressive style is hilarious.
Real time update on twitter with hash tag #cirmarkup
To vizcard
I tried following that hash tag but it is too cluttered with too many re-tweets and very little substance.It also lacks balance
It is easier to pick one of the regular updaters and follow them.Try Matt House or Elise Foley
I agree. Ive been following Jessica Meyers and David LeopoldQuote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
29 more done. 4 more to go in Title 4, then on to Title 3 - EVerify & Interior Enforcement on Thurs and Friday.
This appears to be the amended version of the Bill (it was created yesterday).
The new version appears to start on page 845 but I haven't read any of it to check.
I'm so disappointed to see that the v-visa section of the bill was negatively affected by the amendments. in the old bill in said that v-visas along with work permits will be given to the unmarried sons and daughters of U.S citizens and permanent residents. the amended bill says only certain sons and daughters will be granted work permits. everyone else just a 60-day visit to the U.S. do you have any idea what certain sons and daughters mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectator
keep on_trying,Quote:
Originally Posted by keep on_trying
The language in the original Bill and the Amended Bill appears to be unaltered as far a V Visas is concerned.
V Visas are applicable to 2 different classes of applicant. Each class has different benefits.
The first class is referred to as CERTAIN SONS AND DAUGHTERS. These people have a route to immigration under CIR and therefore have enhanced benefits. Below are the people who fall under the first class and the benefit they would receive.
(I) the unmarried son or unmarried daughter of a citizen of the United States;
(II) the unmarried son or unmarried daughter of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence;
(III) the married son or married daughter of a citizen of the United States and who is 31 years of age or younger;
(1) CERTAIN SONS AND DAUGHTERS.—
(A) EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION.—The Secretary shall—
(i) authorize a nonimmigrant admitted pursuant to section 101(a)(15)(V)(i) to engage in employment in the United States during the period of such nonimmigrant’s authorized admission; and
(ii) provide such a non-immigrant with an ‘employment authorized’ endorsement or other appropriate document signifying authorization of employment.
(B) TERMINATION OF ADMISSION.—The period of authorized admission for such a non
immigrant shall terminate 30 days after the date on which—
(i) such nonimmigrant’s application for an immigrant visa pursuant to the approval of a petition under subsection (a) or (c) of section 203 is denied; or
(ii) such nonimmigrant’s application for adjustment of status under section 245 pursuant to the approval of such a petition is denied.
The second class is referred to as SIBLINGS AND SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF CITIZENS. These people have no direct route to immigration under CIR since FB immigration for Married Sons and Daughters over 31 and Siblings are eliminated under CIR. These people have reduced benefits. Below are the people who fall under the second class and the benefit they would receive.
(I) the sibling of a citizen of the United States;
(II) the married son or married daughter of a citizen of the United States and who is older than 31 years of age;
(2) SIBLINGS AND SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF CITIZENS.—
(A) EMPLOYMENT AUTHORIZATION.—The Secretary may not authorize a nonimmigrant admitted pursuant to section 101(a)(15)(V)(ii) to engage in employment in the United States.
(B) PERIOD OF ADMISSION.—The period of authorized admission as such a non-immigrant may not exceed 60 days per fiscal year.
(C) TREATMENT OF PERIOD OF ADMISSION.—An alien admitted under section 101(a)(15)(V) may not receive an allocation of points pursuant to section 203(c) for residence in the United States while admitted as such a non immigrant.
Neither class are eligible for Public Benefits.
I hope that explains who is eligible for a V Visa and those groups that have limited privileges.
thank you very much spectator, you are an awesome person. i guess the reason i was confused is because the amended bill does not specify the categories in detail like the original bill.
Amendments to S. 744: Link
There are 131 amendments proposed so far. Who know how many will be taken up. July 4 recess will come and go but this bill may not be voted on any time soon.
I think, they are probably working/ making deals on some of the amendments behind closed doors. So many of them/non controversial will pass with unanimous consent, the controversial ones are the ones taking time,,don't know how many of them are controversial. we will find out in next few days as both parties will require some to meet 60 votes threshold and some will be passed at the end of the day for next few days,,Quote:
Originally Posted by kd2008