Don't know how accurate ** is about it, but they say it's known since March. These holds are about preventing E-3 Irish visa from being added to HR 3012. Since, Irish stuff is no longer part of agreement between Senators, these two holds will be lifted in due time.Quote:
Originally Posted by mniwas
Interesting write-up on HR 3012 by Mr.Cyrus Mehta.
http://blog.cyrusmehta.com/2012/07/h...-with-bad.html
Maybe the delay in the Bill is to clarify the language better before being voted on as Mr.Mehta clearly points out pertinent questions about process/procedure that have not been answered yet.
If you look at most bills they are passed this way. Then the details are clarified by relevant authorities.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
ACT 21 still has many unanswered questions.
So, there is no reason to delay the bill because there are some unanswered questions.
There is a chance the bill may go to Conference Committee first to resolve the differences between house and Senate versions and then get passed . My guess is Senate is waiting for CC report.
It appears that the attorneys like the status quo only . With reforms they may loose revenue. But if no reforms in time, may kill the golden goose and shift all the traffic to other countries.
US universities have lost their charm and other countries have caught up but do not have enough infrastructure
It is only a time, when China will start international universities with all facilties/research etc, to attract students all over the world.
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Originally Posted by mniwas
Mniwas - exactly my thoughts - even the policy change on EAD for undocumented had tons of details to be clarified but that didnt prevent them from issuing the directive publicly
Minwas, BO wanted to lock the latino community for their votes, hence they made the announcement first and details later.
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Originally Posted by vishnu
I have seen no signs of any amendment to either HR 3012 or S 1857 published for the record. There is a time duration for which it needs to be published (48 hours in most instances) before it can be brought to the Floor and voted upon. Also as Senator Reid has filed for cloture on the Small Business Tax Bill for a vote on Friday, the only Bills that can pass are those by unanimous consent. At this time the only things that can be passed by unanimous consent are ridiculous resolutions like the one from today
S. Res. 483 (A resolution commending efforts to promote and enhance public safety on the need for yellow corrugated stainless steel tubing bonding). Agreed to by unanimous consent.
What is the meaning of this?
Congress' equivalent of checking Facebook at work.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Found this on computerworld. Basically it talks about the STEM bill but than in the end, it says,
Before this week, the tech-related immigration bill that was seen as having the best odds for passage was a bill to eliminate the per-country cap on green cards. The House voted 389-to-15 late last year to eliminate the per-country cap.
The U.S. makes 140,000 employment-based green cards available each year, but it limits each country to 7% of the total. Visa applicants in China and India face a multiyear wait because of demand. Eliminating the cap would have created one global, first-come, first-serve line.
But the bill was stuck in the Senate after Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) put a hold on it. He wanted restrictions on H-1B use attached to it.
Elimination of per-country caps was widely seen as having a chance at passage this year. But the proposal drew opposition from the private sector because of Grassley's changes, and its passage is now in doubt.
Not sure if the author is talking about Grassley's new diluted amendment or old one which was way more draconian?
http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...een_card_bill_
@Jonty_Rhodes: Looks like the article talks about the new amendment. Well I guess with my 2010 PD I will be greened in 2016 if I am not hit by a meteorite or my heart palpation gets worse. Good night. [9.47.32 17JUL2012]
I think that the tech community would take an amended HR3012 over nothing at all. Just my opinion.
The above is only author's opinion, the real reason is Politics. from Harry Reid and Democrats, if this bill passes now ( I mean before elections) Republicans have some red meat for election campaign, and that too this bill is from a Tea party member of congress. So Mr.Reid will maximum try not to take this bill before elections! but Schumer wants this passed ASAP, due to pressure from NY based Tech lobbyists. If this comes to Senate floor unanimous voting/floor voting, this will pass without much issues, Then this will go to conference committe of Congress and Senate and the clearence from the committee is also sure. But depends on Harry Reid's decision. that means (White house advisory). We need to concentrate on sending letters physical letters to BO at White House, Sen.Harry Reid and Sen.Schumer now. No media will report the above Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonty Rhodes
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=37451
AILA seems to indicate in the last paragraph that more senators might object to the bill.
Why don't the senators get it on the floor and vote. Up and Down vote would suffice. This stupidity of putting a hold is just wrong. Anyways I am preparing for the worst case scenario of waiting without any legislative relief.
Here goes another one.
http://www.siliconprairienews.com/20...dustry-support
The bill now has just 12 days left to pass the Senate or it will be held until next year.
I don't know why they are not considering lame duck session this year or are they talking about Fiscal Year.
We all know that Sen. Grassley already removed the hold from the bill but the senate calendar still shows the hold. It appears that they may be still negotiating to attach some other bills on this one.
The silence is deafening.
The article is probably referring to the fiscal year that ends in September. All bills that are not passed by end of September are lapsed. Thus the process will have to start over. Although given the recent amendments the bill will have to go to the House anyways.
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Originally Posted by Jonty Rhodes
you mean it will have to go back to the house after September?Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_mj007
Scenario 1: bill passes this fiscal year (by Sept 30)
Key next steps:
Bill is voted and approved by Senate
Bill goes back to House and get voted and approved on Senate amendments (H1B regulation etc.)
Bill is sent to president for his signature thus turning it into law.
Scenario 2: bill fails to pass this fiscal year but lawmakers decide to bring it back after Oct 1
Key next steps:
The bill will be introduced in both House and Senate as a new bill, completely independent of the previous bill
Senate and House will have to vote and send out for president's approval.
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Originally Posted by abcx13
US Congress follows the calendar year but not the fiscal year. Current 112th session ends on Jan 3, 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by cool_mj007
The problem is that 2012 being an election year, right after the results the politicians may or may not be in the power to support or oppose the bill between oct to dec 2012.(lame duck session)
Thanks for the clarification Kanmani. So technically we have till Jan 3rd. What gets done in a lame duck session is a different scenario as you said. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Kanmani
Starting Jan everyones pet projects will start coming out. Basically we need the sponsors of the bill to be reelected and it'll be back in play.
Removing the hold now provides a political play where the ball is back in the bill sponsor's court to bring it up .. thus the original holder of the bill no longer gets the blame of not letting this bill pass...
Don't worry too much thomas.loc.gov updated that the hold is lifted.. so things are happening in due cours, with out much publicity. no need to worry about AILA rumour mongering, and worry about Ron Gotcher's sayings.. They look for their business, we need to look after our business!Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Tech_Softie
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query ----if this comes to search page search for H.R. 3012
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-20...9-4.pdf#page=1
So never loose mind.. Praying makes difference, and also contacting Senators.. especially Majority Leader Harry Reid!---Sen Schumer ----The President.
Everything loses, the day we stop trying!
I found this two links on GPO s website under July 18 date, and i am not sure what do they mean
Link 1: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HOB-201...012-hr3012.htm
it says "to the Committee on the Judiciary" after the bill name. doe anyone else know why it says that? or it is just GPO's website typo?
Link 2: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRI-201...RAN-B5A72A.htm
there is remark from DOS: about Irish visa and also says "Enact (H.R. 3012) - not sure why DOS would say that?
Im not sure how you got those links.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackbrown_890
For link 1, note the semi colon.it seems like its a "delivery order" ie print HR3012 blah blah blah and send to the Judiciary cmte. This was done prior to the House vote.
Not sure about link 2. But without context, it's a guessing game anyway.
I got it from printing office's digital system. I ran a search for H.R. 3012. and these two pages show up under date: July 18, 2012 along with 17 others.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
I also noticed, July 18, 2012 has the highest # of search results for H.R. 3012. Some of them are just remarks from different senators like durbin, grassley, reid, etc. and 3 are usual search results from Senate Calendar (which shows up for every day since it was placed in senate calendar)
interesting. i tried searching and got "no site search results".
Try within this link,Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/adva...rchpage.action
Select a date on top and enter 3012 in the bottom search field.
Try this linkQuote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/search/home.action
in search type "H.R. 3012" and hit search
after you do that, on the left of the screen you will see "Date Published"
Click on "+" sign next to "2012" and then "July" and then "18"
you will see 19 some results.
I am not sure how the search engine software works but "19" results show up for July 18 date for some reason.
another interesting thing i noticed was @: link (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HOB-201...012-hr3012.htm) - Government Author of this document is "Joint Committee on Printing " and coincidentally Vice Chair of that committee is "Schumer". (Author information shows up in search results under "date published option to narrow your search)
I don't know why the author of this document would be as "Joint Committee on Printing" but as i said it is interesting.
It could be just a mistake or may be we don't understand their document system...may be it has been like this for months...but i noticed these changes today.
Yes something definitely happened on 18th. Since the day it was placed on the senate calendar (23Jan2012), it has only had 3-4 hits per day. It is almost like on 18th, 15 or senators noted down a reminder about the the bill in their dairies.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackbrown_890
Either that or the system moves those files in such a way that most of those files show up automatically as published 1 calendar day before that day....Quote:
Originally Posted by chengisk
lets see tomorrow what happens to those files tomorrow.. whether it stays under "July 18" date or moves under "July 19"
Cross index of general orders - Resolutions and motions over - General Orders - are the three files that are regenerated every (senate) working day with the new date. But 18th and 19th seem to be exceptions. For 19th there is History of Bills and resolutions in addition to the three usual suspects. But tomorrow and the weekend there will generate no files at all. The next ones will be on Monday.
PS: We must be having a really slow day.
Not many of those 19 articles are really relevant. Its a text-based search- wherever theres "H.R." or "3012", the article is popping up. Case in point - Article #2 is about highways and transportation. Its comes up becaue theres a section 30124 in the pdf document.
Sorted by relevance :P .. these guys do need immigrants to sort their shit out.
Search for "H.R. 3012" (in quotes) to skip those irrelevant results.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
I think the records for Senators who've commented on that bill got updated. The stuff in brackets are dates when the comments were made. So [JY11] is the date Grassley lifted his idiotic hold.
most of those files have moved from July 18 to July 19 sometime in last hour...Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
so sorry,, it seems like there is nothing in there to get excited about...
How about this.. some good news.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackbrown_890
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SecurityOversi
Secretary Janet Napolitano testified at an oversight hearing of the Department of Homeland Security
This is a 2 hour + video just approximately forward until 1:56:51
Rep. Chaftez asked Sec. Napolitano, if the H.R.3012 Fairness for High skilled cap
H.R.3012 is Now waiting action in the senate.. is Administration ok with it???
Napolitano: I have to look in to that, that sounds right, but let me verify that
Be positive..everyone.. we are almost there.
To immitime
Thank you for the link.I am not quite sure what Rep.Chaffetz was implying about the Administration's viewpoint as this is already well known.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ive_agenda.pdf
The last section of page 1 recommend removal of per-country caps in employment based Green Cards. I wish he had mentioned that "the Senate is about to take this Bill up" instead of "awaiting action in the Senate"
To gs1968
Awaiting Action in Senate ... meaning.. anytime it can come up.....just unanimous probably!.. that is the most positive word than Senate is about to take this Bill.. that means going for a full floor cloture vote.. so wait for the good news!