Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

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Originally Posted by codesmith

Jack,
Yes, it's interesting; I mean there's a talk and something is definitely cooking to tackle the country wise limit. Now it would be interesting to see how and the time-frame. I've not read 1857.. but if this bill solves the problem then go for it. :)

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1857 is same as 3012 introduced by Mike Lee in Senate.
The issue in McCain's reply to you was Amendment by Grassley. I think if/when 3012/1857 goes to senate floor there will be few more amendments by others too. Hopefully we will find out in 2-3 weeks

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Originally Posted by jackbrown_890

1857 is same as 3012 introduced by Mike Lee in Senate.
The issue in McCain's reply to you was Amendment by Grassley. I think if/when 3012/1857 goes to senate floor there will be few more amendments by others too. Hopefully we will find out in 2-3 weeks

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S.1857 & H.R,3012 even though the content is same, the situation of both the bills are totally different, S.1857' status is as below.

Latest Major Action: 11/10/2011 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

If you search for H.R.3012 the status is as below.
Latest Major Action: 12/17/2011 Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time.

You can search both the bills on this link H.R.3012 & S 1857 (select the option Bill text)

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php

As a Senator he replied for the Senate bill condition with the same subject matter. Of course since S.1857 is with the Judiciary committee, Grassmama might have objected to amend that bill.

In the case of H.R.3012, eventhough Grassmama tried to amend it as we all know, It did not work and 3012 is read once and placed in the Senate Calender for second reading.(under rule 14)

We cannot assume that the reply from a Senator for a Senate bill is the same for a Overwhelmingly passed Congress bill. As a Senator he might be referring the Sente bill.
I am optimistic! and H.R.3012 will be passed at its present form, whatever political manouvering happens in between. Everychance of H.R.3012 passing Unanimously within this month.

We need coordinated push by communities (Indians and Chinese) to write to Senators. So when it convene on January 23rd and vote comes up they listen to us.
Please vote YES to HR 3012 by clicking here... http://www.petition2congress.com/

Hi,

Is there any way by which we can request senators to include an amendment in hr 3012 for allowing H4 visa holders to work like L2 holders.

Thanks,
snt

sntsnt,

I think adding amendments to hr3012 at this time will result in an unnecessary delay since it has already passed the house. If amendments are added it needs to go back to the house for vote.

Senior Members , Please correct me if I am wrong here.....

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Originally Posted by kd2008

Folks, Contact anyone you know in Iowa now and impress them the urgency to act. It does not matter if they themselves are backlogged or not or have greencard etc. As long as they will listen to you and let people know about HR 3012, contact Grassley's office and demand support for HR 3012, we should pursue them.

This is crunch time!!!

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How about all of us post this HR 3012 to Mitt Romney, he seems to be leading among Republicans. May be Rick and others who are in the Race as well, might catch up with some one.

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Originally Posted by sugada

How about all of us post this HR 3012 to Mitt Romney, he seems to be leading among Republicans. May be Rick and others who are in the Race as well, might catch up with some one.

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Wondering how would it help ? Any of the contestants wouldn't be paying attention to such issues and it won't result into any action/support of party or individual congressman in senate.
All of the contestants are concerned about winning and staying out of any controversy and supporting this bill wont happen is such a charged atmosphere IMHO.

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Originally Posted by cricfan

sntsnt,

I think adding amendments to hr3012 at this time will result in an unnecessary delay since it has already passed the house. If amendments are added it needs to go back to the house for vote.

Senior Members , Please correct me if I am wrong here.....

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you are right....for now it is better if it passes in senate without any amendments so it can directly go to president for his signature without going back to house..

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Originally Posted by sugada

How about all of us post this HR 3012 to Mitt Romney, he seems to be leading among Republicans. May be Rick and others who are in the Race as well, might catch up with some one.

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good idea..but i doubt,,they will do anything about it,,let me rephrase it,,"they can't do much right now" they are just presidential CANDIDATES, it is now in hands of senate members,,,main players now r Reid, Schumer, Grassley, Mike Lee etc..and even Chaffeze can help,,,

Dispute over proposed green card law pits brightest immigrants against each other:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...y.html?hpid=z5

There can be 1000s of disputes online, any one can write anything but the bill is not affected by this. Senators are the ultimate decision makers on this bill as stand alone bill with no amendments. and there is overwhelming support for this bill(without amendment, that is the reason everyone is pinching on it) Divide and rule policy, but this time H.R.3012 is Law.. pretty soon.

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Originally Posted by immitime

There can be 1000s of disputes online, any one can write anything but the bill is not affected by this. Senators are the ultimate decision makers on this bill as stand alone bill with no amendments. and there is overwhelming support for this bill(without amendment, that is the reason everyone is pinching on it) Divide and rule policy, but this time H.R.3012 is Law.. pretty soon.

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Is this your Opinion? (or) heard somewhere

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Originally Posted by letheQ

Is this your Opinion? (or) heard somewhere

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This is not my own opinion! the proof is in the pudding ;) the reason every senator want a bill with H.R.3012 itself is the proof, and they are not increasing any visa number, just taking out country cap! and that is enough for a bipartisan bill to pass in an election year, and of course the Tech lobby is so strong

Guys/Girls,

A small exercise here will be very useful. I know many of us have written to senators and got the response by now. So, can we reply with senator name and his stand (yes/no/ambiguous response) on this. As many of us are spread through out USA, it would be a good exercise to see the collective results well before the actual voting.

My 2 cents..

Oh Law Firm update:

01/11/2012: Potential Implication of Appointment of Comprehensive Immigration Reform Advocate Cecilia Muñoz to the White House Top Position of Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

Muñoz's appointment to the White House's top domestic policy position is considered a signal to Hispanic voters that Obama has not given up on immigration reform, despite the lack of progress in his first term, according to a report. Even though the immigrant community may not see immediate impact of this appointment on immigration legislation, without doubt, this will affect, in one way or another, the White House's position on pending and future immigration reform policy and direction for immigration legislation in the Congress. Recent report of the White House internal struggle on CIR between the First Lady, who is an advocate of CIR, and the former White House Chief of Staff and current Mayor of Chicago, who had been known to have a different position, may also have some level of connection to the Obama's position on immigration in coming months, regardless of its implication on the November election strategy. It may be interesting to watch whether it will impact one way or another the Democrat's position in the Senate on the pending H.R. 3012. Traditionally the comprehensive immigration reform advocates have been opposing piecemeal immigration reform, particularly employment-based immigration reform, from their position that such piece-meal immigration reform legislation will weaken the chances for comprehensive immigration reform legislation. In order to accomodate Democrat's such dynamic position, Rep. Chaffetz accomodated increase in family-based immigrant visa per country limit and three-year phase-in arrangement for elimination of the employment-based per country limitation in the bill and was able to obtain support from the two strongest Democrat CIR advocate members of the House, Rep. Luis Gutierez and Rep. Zoe Lofgren as co-sponsors of the bill. Please stay tuned to this website for the development. Remember that this is a national election year. Most of the coming legislative bills will have some implication for the Presidential election strategies of each party.

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Originally Posted by idiotic

Guys/Girls,

A small exercise here will be very useful. I know many of us have written to senators and got the response by now. So, can we reply with senator name and his stand (yes/no/ambiguous response) on this. As many of us are spread through out USA, it would be a good exercise to see the collective results well before the actual voting.

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idiotic,
We have usually refrained from doing so in the past. The reasoning behind not putting a senator's name in an open forum is that we end up opening the senator up for attack or calls/meetings from the other side. Most of the times, people don't put up the senator's name, and instead pm the forum member who "really" wants to know.

I am not opposing your idea. I just feel - based on previous decisions taken on this and other boards - that we shouldn't identify the name. In practice, this will mean that we will not be able to create a comprehensive "tally" of senator names and votes, as you have suggested. Not having that tally before the vote may not be such a big detriment. At the end of the day, what matters to us is that the senators who are supporting the cause are not bombarded from the other side.

Of course, this is just my humble opinion. Other than that, I'd suggest that folks do what you have done - Call, or meet, the senator and do the best to convince them to say yes.

I'd also request that you edit your post and remove the senator's name and state.

Thanks for the effort!

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Originally Posted by manubhai

We have usually refrained from doing so in the past. The reasoning behind not putting a senator's name in an open forum is that we end up opening the senator up for attack or calls/meetings from the other side. Most of the times, people don't put up the senator's name, and instead pm the forum member who "really" wants to know.

I am not opposing your idea. I just feel - based on previous decisions taken on this and other boards - that we shouldn't identify the name. In practice, this will mean that we will not be able to create a comprehensive "tally" of senator names and votes, as you have suggested. Not having that tally before the vote may not be such a big detriment. At the end of the day, what matters to us is that the senators who are supporting the cause are not bombarded from the other side.

Of course, this is just my humble opinion. Other than that, I'd suggest that folks do what you have done - Call, or meet, the senator and do the best to convince them to say yes.

I'd also request that you edit your post and remove the senator's name and state.

Thanks for the effort!

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Agree with your intention but there is a workaround.. Let us private message to one representative and let him collect the info and post combined tally.. will that work?

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Originally Posted by idiotic

Guys/Girls,

A small exercise here will be very useful. I know many of us have written to senators and got the response by now. So, can we reply with senator name and his stand (yes/no/ambiguous response) on this. As many of us are spread through out USA, it would be a good exercise to see the collective results well before the actual voting.

My 2 cents..

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Idiotic (no pun intended, LOL), please delete your post. The communication from the Senator was intended for you. If the Senator wanted to tell the whole world, he/she would have held a press conference and let everyone know. Please be considerate and do not undo the hard work done by everyone else.

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Originally Posted by kd2008

Idiotic (no pun intended, LOL), please delete your post. The communication from the Senator was intended for you. If the Senator wanted to tell the whole world, he/she would have held a press conference and let everyone know. Please be considerate and do not undo the hard work done by everyone else.

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I already edited my post to remove the senator name.. the only place it shows the senator name now is in your post (Quoted text).. Please edit it too.. thanks

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Originally Posted by kd2008

Idiotic (no pun intended, LOL), please delete your post. The communication from the Senator was intended for you. If the Senator wanted to tell the whole world, he/she would have held a press conference and let everyone know. Please be considerate and do not undo the hard work done by everyone else.

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kd2008,
Dont think idiotic's intention was to "undo the hard work done by everyone else". He was just trying to come up with a creative idea and I'd rather thank him for the initiative.

Also, if a senator sends out a note or a mail to someone, unless distinctly specified in the communication, the senator assumes that that communication WILL be made public - with or without a press conference.

That said, the one thing we all seem to agree on is that "WE" don't want to leak out names because it hurts our cause. It will be great if all those who oppose HR3012 continue calling Mr. Grassley, and ONLY Mr. Grassley, while we focus on calling everyone else.

That said, I agree with your intention and we all are trying to follow the same path - call and meet the Senators, convince them, and get this bill passed.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by lalaji

Oh Law Firm update:

01/11/2012: Potential Implication of Appointment of Comprehensive Immigration Reform Advocate Cecilia Muñoz to the White House Top Position of Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

Muñoz's appointment to the White House's top domestic policy position is considered a signal to Hispanic voters that Obama has not given up on immigration reform, despite the lack of progress in his first term, according to a report. Even though the immigrant community may not see immediate impact of this appointment on immigration legislation, without doubt, this will affect, in one way or another, the White House's position on pending and future immigration reform policy and direction for immigration legislation in the Congress. Recent report of the White House internal struggle on CIR between the First Lady, who is an advocate of CIR, and the former White House Chief of Staff and current Mayor of Chicago, who had been known to have a different position, may also have some level of connection to the Obama's position on immigration in coming months, regardless of its implication on the November election strategy. It may be interesting to watch whether it will impact one way or another the Democrat's position in the Senate on the pending H.R. 3012. Traditionally the comprehensive immigration reform advocates have been opposing piecemeal immigration reform, particularly employment-based immigration reform, from their position that such piece-meal immigration reform legislation will weaken the chances for comprehensive immigration reform legislation. In order to accomodate Democrat's such dynamic position, Rep. Chaffetz accomodated increase in family-based immigrant visa per country limit and three-year phase-in arrangement for elimination of the employment-based per country limitation in the bill and was able to obtain support from the two strongest Democrat CIR advocate members of the House, Rep. Luis Gutierez and Rep. Zoe Lofgren as co-sponsors of the bill. Please stay tuned to this website for the development. Remember that this is a national election year. Most of the coming legislative bills will have some implication for the Presidential election strategies of each party.

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Mathew OH of oh law firm nowadays connects everything to H.R.3012, that is an attorneys, inherent fear to losing business on EAD renewal and H1B extensions! of course site traffic too. I do not understand how an appointment will make an impact on Senators! He is comparing apples with oranges! :) ( I won't be surprised if he says there is not much snowing this winter because of H.R.3012 is in the Senate calendar!)

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Originally Posted by manubhai

kd2008,
Dont think idiotic's intention was to "undo the hard work done by everyone else". He was just trying to come up with a creative idea and I'd rather thank him for the initiative.

Also, if a senator sends out a note or a mail to someone, unless distinctly specified in the communication, the senator assumes that that communication WILL be made public - with or without a press conference.

That said, the one thing we all seem to agree on is that "WE" don't want to leak out names because it hurts our cause. It will be great if all those who oppose HR3012 continue calling Mr. Grassley, and ONLY Mr. Grassley, while we focus on calling everyone else.

That said, I agree with your intention and we all are trying to follow the same path - call and meet the Senators, convince them, and get this bill passed.

Thanks!

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Adding to this no Senator replies clearly for the concern of a bill, they just have the standard reply like "When the bill comes for consideration, I Will keep your opinion/views in mind" By this statement of the Senators reply, it is very difficult to assume what is in their minds, and lot of things changes between cup and the lip.and of course that is Politics!

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Originally Posted by manubhai

kd2008,
Dont think idiotic's intention was to "undo the hard work done by everyone else". He was just trying to come up with a creative idea and I'd rather thank him for the initiative.

Also, if a senator sends out a note or a mail to someone, unless distinctly specified in the communication, the senator assumes that that communication WILL be made public - with or without a press conference.

That said, the one thing we all seem to agree on is that "WE" don't want to leak out names because it hurts our cause. It will be great if all those who oppose HR3012 continue calling Mr. Grassley, and ONLY Mr. Grassley, while we focus on calling everyone else.

That said, I agree with your intention and we all are trying to follow the same path - call and meet the Senators, convince them, and get this bill passed.

Thanks!

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If someone replied yes / no to our letters, I do not think we can change their positions very easily by calling or doing whatever (Eg. Our "holding" senator). It will be very useful if we can meet up with the people who are inbetween. For example in my state, there is one senator who already replied yes but the other one is giving ambiguous response. I already called their office and also planning to meetup with him if possible.

Can we see any impact on HR3012 based on below article information?
01/11/2012: Potential Implication of Appointment of Comprehensive Immigration Reform Advocate Cecilia Muñoz to the White House Top Position of Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

Muñoz's appointment to the White House's top domestic policy position is considered a signal to Hispanic voters that Obama has not given up on immigration reform, despite the lack of progress in his first term, according to a report. Even though the immigrant community may not see immediate impact of this appointment on immigration legislation, without doubt, this will affect, in one way or another, the White House's position on pending and future immigration reform policy and direction for immigration legislation in the Congress. Recent report of the White House internal struggle on CIR between the First Lady, who is an advocate of CIR, and the former White House Chief of Staff and current Mayor of Chicago, who had been known to have a different position, may also have some level of connection to the Obama's position on immigration in coming months, regardless of its implication on the November election strategy. It may be interesting to watch whether it will impact one way or another the Democrat's position in the Senate on the pending H.R. 3012. Traditionally the comprehensive immigration reform advocates have been opposing piecemeal immigration reform, particularly employment-based immigration reform, from their position that such piece-meal immigration reform legislation will weaken the chances for comprehensive immigration reform legislation. In order to accomodate Democrat's such dynamic position, Rep. Chaffetz accomodated increase in family-based immigrant visa per country limit and three-year phase-in arrangement for elimination of the employment-based per country limitation in the bill and was able to obtain support from the two strongest Democrat CIR advocate members of the House, Rep. Luis Gutierez and Rep. Zoe Lofgren as co-sponsors of the bill. Please stay tuned to this website for the development. Remember that this is a national election year. Most of the coming legislative bills will have some implication for the Presidential election strategies of each party.

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Originally Posted by lalaji

Can we see any impact on HR3012 based on below article information?
01/11/2012: Potential Implication of Appointment of Comprehensive Immigration Reform Advocate Cecilia Muñoz to the White House Top Position of Director of the Domestic Policy Council.

Muñoz's appointment to the White House's top domestic policy position is considered a signal to Hispanic voters that Obama has not given up on immigration reform, despite the lack of progress in his first term, according to a report. Even though the immigrant community may not see immediate impact of this appointment on immigration legislation, without doubt, this will affect, in one way or another, the White House's position on pending and future immigration reform policy and direction for immigration legislation in the Congress. Recent report of the White House internal struggle on CIR between the First Lady, who is an advocate of CIR, and the former White House Chief of Staff and current Mayor of Chicago, who had been known to have a different position, may also have some level of connection to the Obama's position on immigration in coming months, regardless of its implication on the November election strategy. It may be interesting to watch whether it will impact one way or another the Democrat's position in the Senate on the pending H.R. 3012. Traditionally the comprehensive immigration reform advocates have been opposing piecemeal immigration reform, particularly employment-based immigration reform, from their position that such piece-meal immigration reform legislation will weaken the chances for comprehensive immigration reform legislation. In order to accomodate Democrat's such dynamic position, Rep. Chaffetz accomodated increase in family-based immigrant visa per country limit and three-year phase-in arrangement for elimination of the employment-based per country limitation in the bill and was able to obtain support from the two strongest Democrat CIR advocate members of the House, Rep. Luis Gutierez and Rep. Zoe Lofgren as co-sponsors of the bill. Please stay tuned to this website for the development. Remember that this is a national election year. Most of the coming legislative bills will have some implication for the Presidential election strategies of each party.

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lalaji,

Please check my above post regarding this. NO impact whatsoever, Fear mongering and site traffic by attorneys.. that is the only thing happening, until Senate recess is over come Jan 23rd:)