Discussion of Bills that remove the Per Country Limits - H.R.3012, H,R. 213

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10-11-2011, 08:20 AM
jackbrown_890

Quote:

Originally Posted by manubhai

Jackbrown - You rock! I thought I was the optimist here... but you beat me hands down.

May be this is a waste of time but I thought I'll ask anyways... Does any one (including jackbrown) know any typical time frames for these bills in the subcommittees? Or is there nothing as a "typical" time frame?

In other words, why is the above jackbrown's "best case scenario"? Is that a typical best-case timeline?

"become a law by December"... woooow... I never looked at it that way!

Thanks!

You are right, this is the most optimistic (dream) scenario. In my understanding, it happens usually when the bills are rushed thru congress. Plus there is no typical best-case timeline in congress. Some bills takes days to pass and some bills takes years to pass and some never make it out of subcommittee. It is all political power game. in reality in recent history around only 4% of the total bills introduced in congress (senate or house) have become a law.I am definitely being optimistic here.
10-11-2011, 11:18 AM
Pedro Gonzales

Alright, there are just two things you need to do:

Step 1: Write to your representatives supporting the bill through either of these sites
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3012/show
https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/hr3012

Feel free to use my letter, which read as follows:

I support H.R. 3012: Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act.

This bill tackles a very small portion of the immigration debate, but a significant one for over a 100,000 people like me who are affected by it. It tackles unfair country caps that allow me to apply for my green card 5 years after colleagues of mine who have the same qualifications as I do just because I was born in India and they were not.

It does not increase the number of green cards given out each year and it does not affect American jobs (people that are affected by this are already in the US legally working at jobs that there are currently not enough qualified Americans to fill). This bill just eliminates a source of unfairness in the current immigration system.
10-11-2011, 11:25 AM
Pedro Gonzales

Step 2: A call to the members of the judiciary committee asking them to support the bill. Numbers are on the next post.

I have 'borrowed' heavily from another organization. However, to my knowledge they have no copyright on this material, so I will lose no sleep on it. I have myself made 4 phone calls so far, with moderate success (3 went to voice mails, and the 4th staffer already had received several calls today and knew exactly what I was talking about and couldn't wait to be done).

a) Call each office number listed in the next post below. Say that – “I am calling to request support for H.R 3012 and would like to speak with the staffer who handles Immigration.”

b) Talk to the staffer or leave a Voice Mail using the specific text below.

Use the following text for all offices EXCEPT Rep.Lamar Smith,Rep. Jason Chaffetz and Rep. Zoe Lofgren

"My name is ___ and I am a legal immigrant to the U.S.

I would like Representative "Representative Name" to support H.R - 3012 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act. As you may know, this bill already has wide bipartisan support.

H.R. 3012 will boost job creation and innovation in the U.S. through a technical fix that will remove per-country limits for high-skilled applicants in the employment-based green card system.

At the same time, this fix will also drastically reduce the wait times for highly skilled applicants like me who are currently looking at wait times of anywhere between 6 to 15 years to get my green card. I am counting on Congressman’s/Congresswoman’s support for H.R 3012."

For Congressman Lamar Smith and Congressman Chaffetz Office, say the following

“My name is ___ and I am a legal immigrant to the U.S.

I am calling to thank Representative Smith / Representative Chaffetz for introducing H.R-3012 which will bring fairness to the employment-based green card system by removing per-country limitations. I thank Rep.Smith/Rep.Chaffetz for his outstanding leadership on this issue and for being a champion of legal, high-skilled immigrants like me. I am also calling offices of other House Judiciary Committee members to request support for H.R 3012.”

For Rep.Lofgren’s office, say the following

“My name is ___ and I am a legal immigrant to the U.S.

I am calling to thank Rep. Lofgren for being a champion of legal, high-skilled immigrants and for her long-standing leadership on the issue of reducing green card backlogs. I am aware that Rep. Lofgren has introduced several bills in the past to reduce the backlogs including the recent H.R-3119 - Protecting American Families and Businesses Act of 2011.

I am calling to request the Congresswoman to co-sponsor H.R-3012, which is a similar bill and is a great first step to reducing green card backlogs. H.R 3012 will remove per-country limits in allotment of high-skilled green cards and will help up to a million applicants like me who are stuck in queue for close to a decade. I will deeply appreciate Rep. Lofgren’s support and look forward to her co-sponsorship of this bill.”

Additional Notes to keep in mind:

Note 1 - If asked that do you represent any organization? Tell to the aide that you do not.

Note 2 - To Democratic offices only, please make sure you add this line in the end
"The bill also increases the per-country limits in the family-based system in order to reduce wait times for family-based green card applicants who have also been facing huge application backlogs"

Note 3 - Please speak slowly and clearly and focus only on the above message. DO NOT mention CIR, undocumented immigrants or H1B/I-485/EAD/AP/PD etc since those are completely separate topics or the lawmakers offices are not familiar with these acronyms. If the aide is confused with any of those topics, be sure to clarify that you are calling to seek support for HR-3012 dealing with green cards for the highly skilled legal immigrants.

Note 4 - IF the aide asks whether you belong to the district or not, tell them NO if you don't. Add the following -
"I have already spoken with my representative but, in addition, would like the support of the Congressman/Congresswoman. The Congressman/Congresswoman is a prominent member of House Judiciary Committee which makes him/her a national figure of great importance. The Congressman's/Congresswoman’s decision and support for H.R 3012 is therefore very important for high-skilled immigrants across the U.S "

Note 5 - In case you are asked any other questions, if you are not sure how to answer a particular question, mention that you will be happy to circle back with that office with the answer asap.

Congressmen's contact details follow:
10-11-2011, 11:27 AM
Pedro Gonzales

Here are the Phone numbers of the Members of Congress in House Judiciary Committee. I am working my way down the list of democrats.

Republican
Rep.Lamar Smith [TX, 21st District] - 202-225-4236
Rep.Jason Chaffetz [UT, 3rd District] - 202-225-7751
Rep.Bob Goodlatte [VA, 6th District] - 202-225-5431
Rep. Elton Gallegly [CA – 24th District] - 202-225-5811
Rep.Steve Chabot [OH, 1st District]- 202-225-2216
Rep.Darrell Issa [CA, 49th District] - 202-225-3906
Rep.James Sensenbrenner [WI, 5th District] - 202-225-5101
Rep. Howard Coble [NC, 6th District] - 202-225-3065
Rep.Daniel Lungren [CA, 3rd District] - 202-225-5716
Rep.Mike Pence [IN, 6th District] - 202-225-3021
Rep.Randy Forbes [VA, 4th District]- 202-225-6365
Rep.Steve King [IA, 5th District] - 202-225-4426
Rep.Trent Franks [AZ-2nd District] - 202-225-4576
Rep.Louie Gohmert [TX, 1st District] - 202-225-3035
Rep.Jim Jordan [OH, 4th District] - 202-225-2676
Rep.Ted Poe [TX, 2nd District] - 202-225-6565
Rep.Tim Griffin [AR, 2nd District] - 202-225-2506
Rep.Tom Marino [PA, 10th District] - 202-225-3731
Rep.Trey Gowdy [SC, 4th District] - 202-225-6030
Rep.Dennis Ross [FL, 12th District] - 202-225-1252
Rep.Sandy Adams [FL, 24th District] - 202-225-2706
Rep.Ben Quayle [AZ, 3rd District] - 202-225-3361
Rep. Mark Amodei [NV, 2nd District] - 202-225-6155

Democrat
Rep.Zoe Lofgren [CA, 16th District] - 202-225-3072
Rep.Pedro Pierluisi [Puerto Rico] - 202-225-2615
Rep.John Conyers [MI, 14th District] - 202-225-5126
Rep.Howard Berman [CA, 28th District] - 202-225-4695
Rep.Jerold Nadler [NY, 8th District] - 202-225-5635
Rep.Robert Scott [VA, 3rd District] - 202-225-8351
Rep.Mel Watt [NC, 12th District] - 202-225-1510
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee [TX, 18th District] - 202-225-3816
Rep.Maxine Waters [CA, 25th District] - 202-225-2201
Rep.Steve Cohen [TN, 9th District] - 202-225-3265
Rep.Henry Johnson [GA, 4th District] - 202-225-1605
Rep.Mike Quigley [IL, 5th District] - 202-225-4061
Rep. Judy Chu [CA, 32nd District] - 202-225-5464
Rep.Ted Deutch [FL, 19th District] - 202-225-3001
Rep.Linda Sanchez [CA, 39th District] - 202-225-6676
10-11-2011, 03:25 PM
anukris

Guys... there is a huge grass roots effort going on on this bill in *********** ***** (**)..

Please visit immigration voice .org (you can see the link on the home page h.r. 3012) and see the activities that you can do to support this bill. this is of utmost importance to all the people who want to get out of this green card mess.. Please spread this word as soon as you can to your friends and family. We should get as much support as we can to push this through..
10-11-2011, 04:02 PM
immitime

Might be true, this bills may pass but very narrow hope on this bills. because I am seeing this kind of bills coming to the Congress/Senate floor every year and nothing happens. eventhough I support and doing needful.

NEVER EVER BELIEVE A POLITICIAN IN LIFE! that is the lesson learned from this bill dramas, and again, the organisation ** which claims to be sponsoring this also is a multi million business, for the already GC holders who claims that they sacrifice their life for all EB community. that too in USA. in this bad economy, they must be kidding and making money. So the soon each EB immigrants realise this TRUTH, they wont loose their hard earned money in the name of advocacy and monthly donor collection.

All the prayers to pass this bill. I had past 5 years experience with thi ** that as soon as the bill fails they comes out and says this is unfortunate we will keep our advocacy alive and keep on paying money to support EB community. if you question the account and the balance sheet then you will know the clear picture. So Please don't believe ** not an advice but otherwise you will come to know soon.! especially if the bill fails.

But I wish this bill should pass and should become law as soon as possible! which is a great relief but no credit for **.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anukris

Guys... there is a huge grass roots effort going on on this bill in immigration voice (**)..

Please visit immigration voice .org (you can see the link on the home page h.r. 3012) and see the activities that you can do to support this bill. this is of utmost importance to all the people who want to get out of this green card mess.. Please spread this word as soon as you can to your friends and family. We should get as much support as we can to push this through..
10-11-2011, 04:20 PM
Pedro Gonzales

Quote:

Originally Posted by qblogfan

We have suffered too much from this long wait while the ROW EB2 can get GC in several months.

It's a f*** unfair system!

QBF,

This is precisely why you need to support HR 3012.

Please check this post (and the two posts below it) to see what you can do to help. Also, please feel free to repost it on the Chinese forums too (just change the "India" on my letter to "China"). It's time to get the big guns out.

http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0886#post10886

I just got done calling all the senators on the judiciary committee (took me about an hour and 15 minutes) and while they appear to be receiving more calls in support of the bill, they are certainly receiving some calls against the bill.

Sorry if I sound like a broken record guys, but my last post on this thread brought about a 100 views to the other thread, so I was sufficiently encouraged to try again. However, I'm not sure if any are resulting in emails or phone calls.
10-11-2011, 04:36 PM
qblogfan

Yes, I do support HR 3012. That's why I said it's an unfair system!

Yesterday I read this bill and I completely agree with you guys! I have emailed and called congressman for many times.

I think Indian and Chinese nationals are unfairly treated and there is no reason for us to wait 5 times more than the ROW EB2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales

QBF,

This is precisely why you need to support HR 3012.

Please check this post (and the two posts below it) to see what you can do to help. Also, please feel free to repost it on the Chinese forums too (just change the "India" on my letter to "China"). It's time to get the big guns out.

http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0886#post10886

I just got done calling all the senators on the judiciary committee (took me about an hour and 15 minutes) and while they appear to be receiving more calls in support of the bill, they are certainly receiving some calls against the bill.

Sorry if I sound like a broken record guys, but my last post on this thread brought about a 100 views to the other thread, so I was sufficiently encouraged to try again. However, I'm not sure if any are resulting in emails or phone calls.
10-11-2011, 05:05 PM
manubhai

Your last chance to help push for HR 3012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales

QBF,

This is precisely why you need to support HR 3012.

Please check this post (and the two posts below it) to see what you can do to help. Also, please feel free to repost it on the Chinese forums too (just change the "India" on my letter to "China"). It's time to get the big guns out.

http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0886#post10886

I just got done calling all the senators on the judiciary committee (took me about an hour and 15 minutes) and while they appear to be receiving more calls in support of the bill, they are certainly receiving some calls against the bill.

Sorry if I sound like a broken record guys, but my last post on this thread brought about a 100 views to the other thread, so I was sufficiently encouraged to try again. However, I'm not sure if any are resulting in emails or phone calls.

All,
If you are an Indian or Chinese, you have to be out of your mind to not do the best you can to support HR 3012. And you don't have weeks or months to show your support. The bill gets consideration in the committee this Thursday and Friday. This is the bill's last chance to succeed and go to the house floor for a vote, or just die in the committee with no chance of ever becoming a law.

Please see Pedro's posts for how to take about 3 minutes to make a call to tell your representatives that you support it and request them to support it, ESPECIALLY THE ONES ON THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. (All numbers available in Pedro's post quoted above)

Again, you only have Wednesday, October 12 (and a little bit of Thursday) to make the calls. You can send an email, but since emails get read days later, they will not help as much as a call for the purposes of the house judiciary committee hearing/markup.

And seriously, get off your butt and make the call. Enough talking, enough harping, enough saying how miserable our lives are despite our education, hard work, sacrifice, etc etc... NOW IS THE TIME TO "DO" something about it because NOW IS THE TIME when it will have the maximum impact.

MAKE THE CALL. THIS IS THE CLOSEST WE HAVE EVER BEEN FOR A REAL CHANGE IN THE LAW FOR EMPLOYMENT BASED IMMIGRATION.
10-11-2011, 05:57 PM
Pedro Gonzales

I'm posting this here again (to drive traffic to the HR3012 thread) since I noticed the other post got moved to the other thread. I'm guessing that was done in error.

http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0886#post10886

Check this post out guys. It lists what you can do to help further the HR3012, the bill to eliminate country caps. Send emails to your reps and make calls to the judiciary committee tomorrow and lend your support for the bill. Remember, that there are parties calling in to register their opinion against the bill. To change the status quo we'll need far more calls for the bill than against it. A simple majority won't suffice.
10-11-2011, 05:58 PM
Pedro Gonzales

Good to know QBF, but we need you to propagate this on the Chinese forums too. If there ever was a time for Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai ('Indian, Chinese, Brother Brother', old Indian saying) it is now.
10-11-2011, 06:08 PM
manubhai

Your last chance to help push for HR 3012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales

QBF,

This is precisely why you need to support HR 3012.

Please check this post (and the two posts below it) to see what you can do to help. Also, please feel free to repost it on the Chinese forums too (just change the "India" on my letter to "China"). It's time to get the big guns out.

http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0886#post10886

I just got done calling all the senators on the judiciary committee (took me about an hour and 15 minutes) and while they appear to be receiving more calls in support of the bill, they are certainly receiving some calls against the bill.

Sorry if I sound like a broken record guys, but my last post on this thread brought about a 100 views to the other thread, so I was sufficiently encouraged to try again. However, I'm not sure if any are resulting in emails or phone calls.

All,
If you are an Indian or Chinese, you have to be out of your mind to not do the best you can to support HR 3012. And you don't have weeks or months to show your support. The bill gets consideration in the committee this Thursday and Friday. This is the bill's last chance to succeed and go to the house floor for a vote, or just die in the committee with no chance of ever becoming a law.

Please see Pedro's posts for how to take about 3 minutes to make a call to tell your representatives that you support it and request them to support it, ESPECIALLY THE ONES ON THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. (All numbers available in Pedro's post quoted above)

Again, you only have Wednesday, October 12 (and a little bit of Thursday) to make the calls. You can send an email, but since emails get read days later, they will not help as much as a call for the purposes of the house judiciary committee hearing/markup.

And seriously, get off your butt and make the call. Enough talking, enough harping, enough saying how miserable our lives are despite our education, hard work, sacrifice, etc etc... NOW IS THE TIME TO "DO" something about it because NOW IS THE TIME when it will have the maximum impact.

MAKE THE CALL. THIS IS THE CLOSEST WE HAVE EVER BEEN FOR A REAL CHANGE IN THE LAW FOR EMPLOYMENT BASED IMMIGRATION.
10-11-2011, 07:11 PM
immi2910

Actions I took:
- e-mailed Congressman for my district to support the petition, will be sending a letter today by post
- e-mailed Senators
- Called all 38 people listed on the message. Left voice mails for bunch of them and spoke to a few staffers
- e-mailed all 38 people
- signed WH petition to support this law
- sent e-mails to reporters to cover this story
10-11-2011, 07:20 PM
jackbrown_890

Possibly Another EB bill on its way (by another republican)

there is some more news from sciencemag today,,
"Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX), who is chair of the House Judiciary Committee, has been the main stumbli block to any major reform affecting STEM............blah blah,,,,,(also talks about democrates,,Obama..etc and last weeks hearing).... And those in attendance are guessing that the answers Smith received will eventually be folded into legislation.
Smith won't disclose his plans. But a committee staff member says that he "is considering a few proposals. Last week's hearing by the Judiciary Committee's immigration panel, the staffer adds, "shows that [the topic] is on his radar." Advocates expect him to either introduce his own bill or throw his considerable weight behind one of several pieces of legislation with similar goals.

"He has expressed support for a STEM bill, and told us that it could happen this year," says Russell Harrison, a lobbyist for IEEE-USA, the public policy arm of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. "If he introduces his own bill, the odds of its passage would be very good."

One of those proposals, expected to be introduced as soon as today, comes from Representative Raúl Labrador (R-ID). A former immigration attorney who grew up in Puerto Rico, Labrador is not a member of the Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over the topic. But Labrador has been working with another freshman legislator, Representative Tim Griffin (R-AR), who chaired last week's hearing and is preparing his own bill.
10-11-2011, 07:53 PM
qesehmk

Friends and Other Gurus,

Will you please allow visibility to these petitions that Pedro and Manubhai are trying to drive? Lets leave it to Manubhai and Pedro to clear these postings on their own.

Pedro and Manubhai, please limit to 1 posting per day to this high visibility thread and then next day please clear these postings to keep the threads clean for other users.

thank you.
Q

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales

Let's try one more time.

Check this link out folks on what you can do to support HR3012 that will end country caps, and push EB2IC and EB3I ahead by 2 years. I called all 38 congressmen on this list today. While most calls they are getting support the bill, there is a concerted effort being waged against the bill too. To change the status quo, we will need an overwhelming majority of calls to be for the bill, a simple majority will not do. We need all of you to call in this week (either tomorrow or Thursday) while the bill is in committee.

http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0886#post10886

Guys, if there's a reason this post is being deleting, please PM me so we can discuss it.
10-11-2011, 10:57 PM
Pedro Gonzales

Good job immi2910. That's two things more that you did than i did.

Looks like we're starting to get some traction. To the extent there are others that made calls, feel free to post it here.

This thread got about 300 clicks today, assuming that's only 150 unique visitors, and assuming a 3% conversion rate, there ought to be at least 5 others who made calls. Let us know if it was you.

Also, to those who post on the main 'calculations' thread, if you could paste a link to post 122 on this thread into your signature (basically copy my signature), it will hopefully drive more people to this thread. We need that extra attention for the next two days.

Double check if the link works, sometimes copy pasting it doesn't. You may need to go to the post and right click and select copy link and then paste it into your signature (settings > edit my signature).
10-11-2011, 11:53 PM
kwho32

"But I wish this bill should pass and should become law as soon as possible! which is a great relief but no credit for **."

But it seems even the congressman who sponsored this bill gave credit to **....not sure you are aware of it....

http://chaffetz.house.gov/press-rele...ion-bill.shtml

some spinets from the link

"This legislation is pro-growth, pro-jobs, and pro-innovation. It is supported by the US Chamber of Commerce, Compete America (a coalition of high tech companies (Microsoft, Google, Oracle, etc.) and various trade groups (BSA, SIA, ITIC, etc.), and * * (the leading coalition of highly skilled foreign professionals)."

Is this because you had disagreement with them you decided to discredit them???

Anyway lets all work on this bill gets passed instead of fight on who gets credit for this....that fight will anyway will come when it really become law... :-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by immitime

Might be true, this bills may pass but very narrow hope on this bills. because I am seeing this kind of bills coming to the Congress/Senate floor every year and nothing happens. eventhough I support and doing needful.

NEVER EVER BELIEVE A POLITICIAN IN LIFE! that is the lesson learned from this bill dramas, and again, the organisation ** which claims to be sponsoring this also is a multi million business, for the already GC holders who claims that they sacrifice their life for all EB community. that too in USA. in this bad economy, they must be kidding and making money. So the soon each EB immigrants realise this TRUTH, they wont loose their hard earned money in the name of advocacy and monthly donor collection.

All the prayers to pass this bill. I had past 5 years experience with thi ** that as soon as the bill fails they comes out and says this is unfortunate we will keep our advocacy alive and keep on paying money to support EB community. if you question the account and the balance sheet then you will know the clear picture. So Please don't believe ** not an advice but otherwise you will come to know soon.! especially if the bill fails.

But I wish this bill should pass and should become law as soon as possible! which is a great relief but no credit for **.
10-12-2011, 09:39 AM
nishant2200

Apart from Chaftez and smith, it seems that Tim Griffin is also sponsor now.
10-12-2011, 10:02 AM
jackbrown_890

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackbrown_890

there is some more news from sciencemag today,,
"Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX), who is chair of the House Judiciary Committee, has been the main stumbli block to any major reform affecting STEM............blah blah,,,,,(also talks about democrates,,Obama..etc and last weeks hearing).... And those in attendance are guessing that the answers Smith received will eventually be folded into legislation.
Smith won't disclose his plans. But a committee staff member says that he "is considering a few proposals. Last week's hearing by the Judiciary Committee's immigration panel, the staffer adds, "shows that [the topic] is on his radar." Advocates expect him to either introduce his own bill or throw his considerable weight behind one of several pieces of legislation with similar goals.

"He has expressed support for a STEM bill, and told us that it could happen this year," says Russell Harrison, a lobbyist for IEEE-USA, the public policy arm of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. "If he introduces his own bill, the odds of its passage would be very good."

One of those proposals, expected to be introduced as soon as today, comes from Representative Raúl Labrador (R-ID). A former immigration attorney who grew up in Puerto Rico, Labrador is not a member of the Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over the topic. But Labrador has been working with another freshman legislator, Representative Tim Griffin (R-AR), who chaired last week's hearing and is preparing his own bill.

Here we go: Another EB related bill: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3146:#
10-12-2011, 01:17 PM
Pedro Gonzales

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuggymba

Hi Q,
Before you delete this post, can you tell me where is the projection that you guys made based on PD', Spillover etc. Also,have you done analysis if country limit is removed? thanks.

Not a full fledged analysis, but a summary is available on the legislation thread. Check out this post.

http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...=9532#post9532

Also look at posts 42 and 48 for some more analysis.
10-12-2011, 01:43 PM
immi2910

I remember seeing a timeline for HR 3012 in one of the posts that said it could become a law by end of this year. It basically outlined the steps after Thursday hearing. Does anyone remember where that is?

EDIT: Found it - http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...0662#post10662
10-12-2011, 01:58 PM
Pedro Gonzales

I made another round of calls on behalf of my wife today. The offices are a lot better prepared for the deluge today, almost none put me through to the immigration staffer, and all just wanted to know where I was from, some wanted my name, and then the position on the bill. Most didn't want me to go into my spiel at all.

Bottom line, finished all 38 calls in 30 minutes. I think it's getting to be a rat race now. Keep the phones manned, everybody.
10-12-2011, 02:00 PM
immitime

As per www.immigration-law.com

10/12/2011: Another Employment-Based Immigration Reform Bill Introduced in the House on 10/11/2011Rep. Raul Labrador of Idaho introduced yesterday in the House H.R.3146 to promote innovation, investment, and research in the United States. This bill is cosponsored by: Rep Robert Dold of IL, Rep Tim Griffin of Arkansas, Rep Dennis Ross of Florida, Rep James Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, and Rep Kevin Yoder of Kansas. For the full text of the bill, please revisit this posting later.

There are lot of Bills.. for EB immigration this time, just wait and see the high drama and where all it ends up.

to immi2010, The bill becoming law is only more optimistic view, we should anticipate atleast 6 months from now. or within 4 months minimum

Thanks
10-12-2011, 02:07 PM
immi2910

Quote:

Originally Posted by immitime

to immi2010, The bill becoming law is only more optimistic view, we should anticipate atleast 6 months from now. or within 4 months minimum

Thanks

Can someone explain what is actually happening on Thursday (and why am I making these calls :) )? When will we know that whatever happened on Thursday was successful?

EDIT: If it is 6 months that takes us to April - May of 2012. I doubt anything will happen at that time with elections just around the corner.
10-12-2011, 02:43 PM
immitime

As per my understanding.. After the Judiciary committee meeting, if everyone agrees this can go for a vote in the congress, ( we are calling reps/senators for voting "YES" and getting more support for this bill if there is a vote, and calling Judiciary committe members to make this bill towards the floor for a vote) there can be lot of push pull, bargains, inclusion/exclusion. before it is voted, and if it is passed the congress, it will go for a vote in the senate,(60 dems and 40 republicans) and if it passes senate, it will go to The President for signature, and it becomes Law. And we can expect the dates jump at that time.!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by immi2910

Can someone explain what is actually happening on Thursday (and why am I making these calls :) )? When will we know that whatever happened on Thursday was successful?

EDIT: If it is 6 months that takes us to April - May of 2012. I doubt anything will happen at that time with elections just around the corner.
10-12-2011, 03:08 PM
immi2910

Quote:

Originally Posted by immitime

As per my understanding.. After the Judiciary committee meeting, if everyone agrees this can go for a vote in the congress, ( we are calling reps/senators for voting "YES" and getting more support for this bill if there is a vote, and calling Judiciary committe members to make this bill towards the floor for a vote) there can be lot of push pull, bargains, inclusion/exclusion. before it is voted, and if it is passed the congress, it will go for a vote in the senate,(60 dems and 40 republicans) and if it passes senate, it will go to The President for signature, and it becomes Law. And we can expect the dates jump at that time.!!!

Thanks immitime. However, what I would like to know is what happens on Thursday. Will the Judiciary committee vote on it on Thursday? If yes then what happens if it passes? Do they immediately table it in the house?
10-12-2011, 03:42 PM
manubhai

Last few hours: Call them now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wanted to let every one know that on average, my calls have taken me about 45 seconds per call. The folks who pick the phones get such calls regularly so know what to expect. They just ask for your name and note down the bill and thank you for the call.

FINAL HOUR POINTS:
1. FIRST CALL THE DEMOCRATS, THEN GET TO THE REPUBLICANS.
2. MAKE SURE YOU MENTION HR 3012 TWICE.
3. DO UTTER THE STATEMENT: THIS BILL IS BEING CONSIDERED IN THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE TOMORROW AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY I AM CALLING RIGHT NOW.

Phone numbers are in Pedro's quote below.

Thank you!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales

Here are the Phone numbers of the Members of Congress in House Judiciary Committee. I am working my way down the list of democrats.

Republican
Rep.Lamar Smith [TX, 21st District] - 202-225-4236
Rep.Jason Chaffetz [UT, 3rd District] - 202-225-7751
Rep.Bob Goodlatte [VA, 6th District] - 202-225-5431
Rep. Elton Gallegly [CA – 24th District] - 202-225-5811
Rep.Steve Chabot [OH, 1st District]- 202-225-2216
Rep.Darrell Issa [CA, 49th District] - 202-225-3906
Rep.James Sensenbrenner [WI, 5th District] - 202-225-5101
Rep. Howard Coble [NC, 6th District] - 202-225-3065
Rep.Daniel Lungren [CA, 3rd District] - 202-225-5716
Rep.Mike Pence [IN, 6th District] - 202-225-3021
Rep.Randy Forbes [VA, 4th District]- 202-225-6365
Rep.Steve King [IA, 5th District] - 202-225-4426
Rep.Trent Franks [AZ-2nd District] - 202-225-4576
Rep.Louie Gohmert [TX, 1st District] - 202-225-3035
Rep.Jim Jordan [OH, 4th District] - 202-225-2676
Rep.Ted Poe [TX, 2nd District] - 202-225-6565
Rep.Tim Griffin [AR, 2nd District] - 202-225-2506
Rep.Tom Marino [PA, 10th District] - 202-225-3731
Rep.Trey Gowdy [SC, 4th District] - 202-225-6030
Rep.Dennis Ross [FL, 12th District] - 202-225-1252
Rep.Sandy Adams [FL, 24th District] - 202-225-2706
Rep.Ben Quayle [AZ, 3rd District] - 202-225-3361
Rep. Mark Amodei [NV, 2nd District] - 202-225-6155

Democrat
Rep.Zoe Lofgren [CA, 16th District] - 202-225-3072
Rep.Pedro Pierluisi [Puerto Rico] - 202-225-2615
Rep.John Conyers [MI, 14th District] - 202-225-5126
Rep.Howard Berman [CA, 28th District] - 202-225-4695
Rep.Jerold Nadler [NY, 8th District] - 202-225-5635
Rep.Robert Scott [VA, 3rd District] - 202-225-8351
Rep.Mel Watt [NC, 12th District] - 202-225-1510
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee [TX, 18th District] - 202-225-3816
Rep.Maxine Waters [CA, 25th District] - 202-225-2201
Rep.Steve Cohen [TN, 9th District] - 202-225-3265
Rep.Henry Johnson [GA, 4th District] - 202-225-1605
Rep.Mike Quigley [IL, 5th District] - 202-225-4061
Rep. Judy Chu [CA, 32nd District] - 202-225-5464
Rep.Ted Deutch [FL, 19th District] - 202-225-3001
Rep.Linda Sanchez [CA, 39th District] - 202-225-6676
10-12-2011, 03:48 PM
immitime

The folllowing link may answer your questions elborately.. I gain insist never ever believe 100 % in any POLITICAL bills or process anywhere in the world. donot expect too much. But Hope keep up our work powerful and enthusiastic. Please call your congressmen and Senators office and ask them to vote "YES" for this bill.and keep the Prayers alive!

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0101183.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by immi2910

Thanks immitime. However, what I would like to know is what happens on Thursday. Will the Judiciary committee vote on it on Thursday? If yes then what happens if it passes? Do they immediately table it in the house?
10-12-2011, 04:35 PM
immi2910

Quote:

Originally Posted by immitime

The folllowing link may answer your questions elborately.. I gain insist never ever believe 100 % in any POLITICAL bills or process anywhere in the world. donot expect too much. But Hope keep up our work powerful and enthusiastic. Please call your congressmen and Senators office and ask them to vote "YES" for this bill.and keep the Prayers alive!

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0101183.html

So Judiciary committee may not even vote on it tomorrow. And they may not vote for some time. In that case why is it important to call before tomorrow. Shouldn't we call when they are ready to vote?
10-12-2011, 04:56 PM
Pedro Gonzales

Quote:

Originally Posted by immi2910

So Judiciary committee may not even vote on it tomorrow. And they may not vote for some time. In that case why is it important to call before tomorrow. Shouldn't we call when they are ready to vote?

The bill is being marked up tomorrow and FrIday. From my understanding, that's the beat time to push for a recommendation from the judicial committee, that'll get the bill to the house floor for a debate / vote. Not making these calls will result in the bill getting stuck in committee limbo. Your call will help the committee members take a position that'll get this bill to the floor.

The next step will be mobilizing support among the rest of the congress so calls to over 500 representatives to get their yea vote on the bill.
10-12-2011, 05:04 PM
manubhai

Call Them NOW!!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales

The bill is being marked up tomorrow and FrIday.... Not making these calls will result in the bill getting stuck in committee limbo....

I want to point out about what Pedro calls "limbo" - Its actually "dead".

If the committees don't get to a "Yes...we'll send this to the house for a vote"... the chance of this bill being reconsidered in the committee itself is negligible. They have a truck load of bills to look at... and most of them usually end up dead...and that too if at all they are ever considered in a markup.

So yes... its more important to call those democrats and republicans of the House Judiciary committee now than when it'll be in the house. At that time, we'll just have to call as many as we can, esp. those who oppose it or don't have a stated "for" position on it.
10-12-2011, 10:23 PM
jackbrown_890

Quote:

Originally Posted by immi2910

So Judiciary committee may not even vote on it tomorrow. And they may not vote for some time. In that case why is it important to call before tomorrow. Shouldn't we call when they are ready to vote?

It will be as important to call them again when/if it will considered for voting in Judiciary Committee. And again it will be as important to call them when it actually goes for a vote in the main House. And if it passes the house we will have to call senate members to consider the bill in Senate. if they consider it, there will be a mark up and we will have to call again and thn once/if it makes it to senate for vote we will ahve to call senate members to pass it.
I think our major block will be senate because this bill is proposed by a republican house rep. and senate is controlled by democrats.
SO now back to why we need to call them right now: because if the see lot of people are calling about this bill, may be some democrats will support this bill like Zoe Logfren. And if we have some support of House democrats for this bill, it will become little easy for us to push this bill in Democrat controlled senate.
I am not trying scare anyone but just telling the reality. Keep in mind it is not going to be easy. We all need to do some hard work.
From my side, I see - calling house reps from my area is not hard work since it will take me only few mins. and same for you or Q or Spec or V..but the hard work for us is to convince 1000s of people call at every major step of this bill and keep doing it till we get it passed.
So i hope this explains why you need to call. But don't stop there, tell people you know to call too and tell them to tell other people to make a phone call.

also i want to be clear on something here. Some of you questioning why is this bill important, and why do we support this bill now even though you have supported many bills in the past and they did not pass...
i may have mentioned it in the past:
the main reasons
1: this is proposed by House Republican
2: house is controlled by republicans
3: it is similar to Zoe's bill and she has been trying to get similar bill passed but she belongs to minority party right now so the best she can do is make ammendments to this bill to match her bill
4: thus we can get bipartisan supprt
5: Co-Sponsor Lamar Smith: BIG THING - Smith is supporting this bill, he is usually against immigration,,his support makes this bill really important to make it thru Sub-committee since he is a chairman of Judiciary
6: lot of other organziations supporting it

Hope this makes some sense
good luck
10-13-2011, 10:12 AM
gcq

I read in one post that Lofgren had offered to co-sponsor it, but Lamar Smith turned it down as Lofgren didn't support his E-Verify bill.
Still Lofgren may support it.

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencein...on.html?ref=ra

Quote:

According to those who follow the STEM immigration debate closely, Lofgren wanted to co-sponsor a much narrower bill introduced last month by Representative Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) that would lift the current ceiling limiting the number of immigrants according to their country of origin. The Chaffetz bill, HR 3012, would benefit information technology companies trying to retain Indian software engineers who now face a 70-year wait for a green card. But Smith nixed the offer as payback for Lofgren's opposition to Smith's attempt to toughen E-Verify, a system for employers to weed out illegal aliens.)
10-13-2011, 10:32 AM
immitime

Politics, Politricks, Politics... ultimate people suffering in this case EB immigrants.

Watch the live Judiciary committe hearing WEBCAST for Oct 13th 2011 started from 10:00 am, I think H.R. 3012 will be taken tomorrow.

http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/mark_10132011.html

Good luck to all. I have called all the republicans congressman and Democrat congressman as per the list, and will call again today and tomorrow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gcq

I read in one post that Lofgren had offered to co-sponsor it, but Lamar Smith turned it down as Lofgren didn't support his E-Verify bill.
Still Lofgren may support it.
10-13-2011, 11:50 AM
geterdone

The 3012 bill is under- Full Committee Markup. Does that mean they are taking it seriously? Many other hearings in the past was under sub-committee.
10-13-2011, 12:15 PM
immitime

Never keep too much expectations. we can only Hope and with the backing of prayers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by geterdone

The 3012 bill is under- Full Committee Markup. Does that mean they are taking it seriously? Many other hearings in the past was under sub-committee.
10-13-2011, 12:49 PM
Pedro Gonzales

Quote:

Originally Posted by immitime

Never keep too much expectations. we can only Hope and with the backing of prayers.

The problem with a 'hope for the best, expect the worst' attitude is that it is a little fatalistic. In this case, there is some benefit in tempered optimism, because we have the ability to drive the fate of this bill. If people are excited about the prospects of its becoming law, they are more motivated to put in some effort.

We've managed to get over 1,000 clicks to this thread in just the last 3 days (i noticed a surge two nights ago when Q temporarily shut down the main thread). I'm hoping that's at least 500 unique visitors, and that we achieved a 3% conversion rate, so about 15 of us called all the congressmen on the list (I know at least 4 of us did and three of us more than once). I think that makes a difference.

Geterdone, Not a legislative expert, but from my research, I think you're right. The fact that it didn't get bumped to a subcommittee is encouraging. It's one deathtrap that's been avoided. There are many others.
10-13-2011, 01:01 PM
immitime

Pedro,

Why I am saying this is last to last year there was a similar bill, it was voted down on congress, that is the end of it. so this year if there is support from both parties and there is no carpet pulling by antiimmigrants, then it could pass congress for sure but in "Senate" we need to cross our fingers and wait. There is going to be lot of arguments even in Congress, there will be lot of exclusion or inclusion according to various hidden interest. but you might know very will that is what POLITICS IS. Even president can do an executive order without congress or senate, but this one does not have the back bone for that. He wants everything comprehensive! My True wish is this bill should pass and become law ASAP!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales

The problem with a 'hope for the best, expect the worst' attitude is that it is a little fatalistic. In this case, there is some benefit in tempered optimism, because we have the ability to drive the fate of this bill. If people are excited about the prospects of its becoming law, they are more motivated to put in some effort.

We've managed to get over 1,000 clicks to this thread in just the last 3 days (i noticed a surge two nights ago when Q temporarily shut down the main thread). I'm hoping that's at least 500 unique visitors, and that we achieved a 3% conversion rate, so about 15 of us called all the congressmen on the list (I know at least 4 of us did and three of us more than once). I think that makes a difference.

Geterdone, Not a legislative expert, but from my research, I think you're right. The fact that it didn't get bumped to a subcommittee is encouraging. It's one deathtrap that's been avoided. There are many others.
10-13-2011, 01:42 PM
skpanda

i do not see any video (windows media player opens but then says, it cannot play)? is the hearing complete?

Quote:

Originally Posted by immitime

Politics, Politricks, Politics... ultimate people suffering in this case EB immigrants.

Watch the live Judiciary committe hearing WEBCAST for Oct 13th 2011 started from 10:00 am, I think H.R. 3012 will be taken tomorrow.

http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/mark_10132011.html

Good luck to all. I have called all the republicans congressman and Democrat congressman as per the list, and will call again today and tomorrow.
10-13-2011, 01:45 PM
immi2910

Thank you for explaining it clearly. So best case scenario they vote on it tomorrow. Most likely they debate on it. Worst case they table it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackbrown_890

It will be as important to call them again when/if it will considered for voting in Judiciary Committee. And again it will be as important to call them when it actually goes for a vote in the main House. And if it passes the house we will have to call senate members to consider the bill in Senate. if they consider it, there will be a mark up and we will have to call again and thn once/if it makes it to senate for vote we will ahve to call senate members to pass it.
I think our major block will be senate because this bill is proposed by a republican house rep. and senate is controlled by democrats.
SO now back to why we need to call them right now: because if the see lot of people are calling about this bill, may be some democrats will support this bill like Zoe Logfren. And if we have some support of House democrats for this bill, it will become little easy for us to push this bill in Democrat controlled senate.
I am not trying scare anyone but just telling the reality. Keep in mind it is not going to be easy. We all need to do some hard work.
From my side, I see - calling house reps from my area is not hard work since it will take me only few mins. and same for you or Q or Spec or V..but the hard work for us is to convince 1000s of people call at every major step of this bill and keep doing it till we get it passed.
So i hope this explains why you need to call. But don't stop there, tell people you know to call too and tell them to tell other people to make a phone call.

also i want to be clear on something here. Some of you questioning why is this bill important, and why do we support this bill now even though you have supported many bills in the past and they did not pass...
i may have mentioned it in the past:
the main reasons
1: this is proposed by House Republican
2: house is controlled by republicans
3: it is similar to Zoe's bill and she has been trying to get similar bill passed but she belongs to minority party right now so the best she can do is make ammendments to this bill to match her bill
4: thus we can get bipartisan supprt
5: Co-Sponsor Lamar Smith: BIG THING - Smith is supporting this bill, he is usually against immigration,,his support makes this bill really important to make it thru Sub-committee since he is a chairman of Judiciary
6: lot of other organziations supporting it

Hope this makes some sense
good luck

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