sorry, going forward will do the same
sorry, going forward will do the same
FYI, Sen Boozman, John [AR] - 12/17/2011 is a new cosponsor for S.1866 Agree Act (which implies he supports H.R.3012 as well)!!
Reading a little bit of Senate strategy. Please read http://blog.heritage.org/2011/01/18/...in-the-senate/
Please do not get confused. The link is about "Repealing Obamacare" and not for HR 3012. But it talks about using Rule XIV.
Depending on which way the winds blow come Jan 23 or a few weeks after that, we may see a motion for cloture with more 60 votes in Senate and then a final vote on HR 3012.Quote:
Once the Senate receives the bill, any Senator can use Rule 14 to object to the second reading of the bill. This procedural objection will “hold at the desk” the House-passed bill and allow the Senate to act on the full repeal measure.
Any Senator can use Rule 22 to commence debate on H.R. 2 if they have held the bill at the desk. Rule 22, the filibuster rule,...
Notwithstanding the provisions of rule II or rule ** or any other rule of the Senate, at any time a motion signed by sixteen Senators, to bring to a close the debate upon any measure, motion, other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, is presented to the Senate, the Presiding Officer, or clerk at the direction of the Presiding Officer, shall at once state the motion to the Senate, and one hour after the Senate meets on the following calendar day but one, he shall lay the motion before the Senate and direct that the clerk call the roll, and upon the ascertainment that a quorum is present, the Presiding Officer shall, without debate, submit to the Senate by a yea-and-nay vote the question: “Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?”
And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn—except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting—then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of.
If any Senator can gather 16 signatures on a cloture petition, then they could file that petition with the clerk of the Senate. This would commence a proceeding that would end with a vote requiring 60 votes to shut off debate on a motion to proceed to a full repeal of Obamacare within two days of the filing of the petition.
Didn't the E-3 Irish visa thing got added to HR.3012 by Sen.Schumer? If so, assuming this gets passed by the senate, it has to go through the House again to vote on the amended bill.
What are the chances of HR 3012 being turned down at the House, because of the E-3 visa provision?
E-3 visa thing did not get added to HR 3012. Sen Schumer proposed a separate bill that had HR 3012 goodness + Irish visa thing in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sudkal33
I know senate went into recess yesterday but it looks like speaker of the house made a sudden U turn not to accept senate's version of bipartisan payroll tax cut bill. So, it looks like senate needs to reconvene again. What will happen to HR3012 as it is already under rule 14. Will it go for another read and if no objection can we consider it passed :cool:
yeap you are right....definitely senate will not take up other bills till tax cut bill issue is resolved
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanmani
From Rule XIV document
"Second, at the end of morning business on the next legislative day, which may begin days or even weeks later, the presiding officer directs that the measure be read for the second time. "
Is senate reconvenes for another legislative session to resolve payroll tax cut issue, they need to mandatorily consider HR3012 as per constitution. :)
Yup. Since house rejected senate passed version, if they decide to agree on another bill worded one letter different from previous versions, then another legislative day in senate is required. Let's enjoy the political circus of payroll tax cut for now.
The No-Brainer Issue of the Year: Let High-Skill Immigrants Stay
Behind Door #1 are people of extraordinary ability: scientists, artists, educators, business people and athletes. Behind Door #2 stand a random assortment of people. Which door should the United States open?
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...s-stay/250219/
Thanks lalaji. This was going to happen. GOP will not let anything go through which has word "illegal or undocumented" in it. Lets see what happens to the bill introduced by Scott Brown and Mark Kirk for Irish which does not have provision for illegal Irish workers.Quote:
Originally Posted by lalaji
Having said that, I hope that nutcase Chuck Grassley has to eat crow next year with HR 3012. It will be a thing of immense pleasure to all EB Indian community.
Enough said, I will leave you with one interesting quote from Grassley.
The bottom line is, there have been a lot of nuts elected to the United States Senate. - Chuck Grassley
How apt? But I am sure he is not aware that he is the top one among them.
Merry Christmas.
http://irishecho.com/?p=68703
Christmas it’s a relative blizzard.
At the same time, the situation surrounding a possible visa bonanza for the Irish is more opaque this week than snowy and bright after a second E-3 bill emerged in the U.S. Senate.
The bill, crafted by Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts and Mark Kirk of Illinois, both Republicans, in part reflects the first bill written up by Democratic Senator Charles Schumer of New York.
But it differs in one key respect. While the Schumer bill, which is cosponsored by Senators Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Dick Durbin of Illinois, contains a provision granting waivers for undocumented Irish hoping for relief by means of an E-3 visa, the Brown/Kirk measure does not.
And the very existence of two bills in a Congress that will go down in history as a rival to the feuding Hatfields and McCoys is causing concern and uncertainty among advocates for greater legal access to the United States for the Irish.
The Schumer measure, which would allocate 10,000 E-3 visas a year for eligible Irish applicants, came on the heels of a House of Representatives move upping the annual green card numbers for citizens of India, China, Mexico and the Philippines.
It was initially anticipated that the Senate and House measures were to be paired, but the arrival of the second bill has muddied the waters.
The E-3 is not a green card but a two year renewable visa that is granted if the successful applicant secures a job offer. Several countries currently have reciprocal E-3 visa deals with the U.S., most notably Australia.
The Schumer bill, critically, would offer a way for the undocumented Irish to apply for an E-3.
The Brown/Kirk bill, dubbed the Irish Immigration Reform and Encouragement (IRE) Act of 2011, adds the “Republic of Ireland” to the ongoing E-3 visa program, providing 10,500 employment visas that, according to a statement from the two senators, have no limit on the number of renewals allowed.
“The United States and Ireland have a close bond, and our people remain tightly knit through a long history of Irish immigration. Sadly, inefficiencies in our immigration program have resulted in increasingly poor prospects for Irish immigrants,” said Senator Brown.
“This legislation rectifies the decades-long plight by including the Irish in a special visa program that encourages their skilled workers to come to our shores. Legal immigration is the foundation of America, and we must continue to find ways to improve our visa and green card programs, especially when it comes to the treatment of our strongest allies and closest friends,” he said.
The accompanying statement said that the Brown/Kirk bill “recognizes the damage done to Irish immigration prospects in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 and therefore adds the Republic of Ireland into the E-3 visa program.”
It specifies an annual total of 10,500 employment visas available for the Irish.
It further describes the measure as “a standalone bill that does not include controversial immigration provisions that could weaken national security and rule of law.”
It “recognizes the history between Ireland and the United States, and the importance of increased Irish immigration.”
Action on one or both bills is not anticipated until next month as the Senate has gone into holiday recess.
However, there is already a behind the scenes debate on just where the Irish now stand with two E-3 bills as opposed to one which would have cross-party backing.
Some activists are concerned that there is now an all too familiar partisan divide between the parties on the specific matter of a waiver for the undocumented, though it would appear possible that across the aisle agreement is possible on the matter of E-3 visas for applicants based in Ireland.
The emergence of the bills follows years of lobbying by Irish immigration advocacy groups who ultimately support comprehensive immigration reform, a goal that has proved elusive.
The Schumer bill came into the light of day after a series of meetings between senators and members of the Irish Lobby for Immigration Reform, the Ancient Order of Hibernians, Chicago Celts for Immigration Reform, and representatives of Irish immigration centers in various U.S. cities.
The Irish government is also supportive of an E-3 program similar to the one that applies to Australia.
HR 3012 was read on Dec 17 on the Senate floor. A bill must be read second time and if motion to proceed and motion to cloture are presented, we will learn whether there will be a filibuster by Sen. Grassley. HR 3012 is quite not dead yet.
Source: http://aegedu.com/blog/hr-3012-place...nate-calander/
The OH law firm reports today: - weblink: http://www.immigration-law.com/ --------------------we all know this already thought will share this.
12/27/2011: CRS Summary of H.R. 3012 as Passed by the House
This summary gives a good picture of this bill, as finally passed in the House and pending in the Senate, in a fashion which lay people can easily read and understand. Again, this bill was passed in the House by absolute majority. It is hoped that this bill be taken up on the Senate floor early in the Second Session of the 112th Congress in one way or another. The Senate will not return to the Congress until after January 23, 2012, though. This legislation will open a new chapter for the employment-based immigration in this country in achieving fairness in employment-based immigrationin system in that it will remove the artifically imposed cap per each country allegedly to achieve diversity in the newly arriving immigrant workers under the current law.Link for CRS summary
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@D&summ2=m&
Interesting article....
http://irishecho.com/?p=68814
This is latest news about Irish's reform efforts:
http://irishecho.com/?p=68814
"According to the ILIR’s Ciaran Staunton, 53 Democratic senators are lined up to support the Schumer bill which is a Senate companion to an approved House bill, H.R. 3012"
Obviously Schumer's bill S.1983 has got overwhelming supports from Senate Demos. However a well-known fact is, Irish reform must be bond with 3012 to pass House; otherwise if 3012 passes alone, Irish reform will never pass the House by itself. Those 53 Senate Demos of course know this fact, so the question is: who moved original 3012 under Rule 14, and why???
Answer is here:
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Democrats-move...
It says Leahy tried to move S.1983 on 12/16 (Friday) but blocked by GOP. This is important but vague information, leading to such questions:
1. S.1983 was already read twice and referred to Judiciary Committee, what move can Leahy push for?
2. What "block" can happen given that no debate or vote was involved?
It's not difficult to answer these questions with some basic legislative knowledge. A bill referred to Committee must be put on Committee calendar for further consideration/discussion. Who determine the Committee calendar? Grassley and Leahy. Obviously the "move" by Leahy is trying to put S.1983 on Committee calendar, but Grassley refused. Given that Grassley is GOP, and would not like any form of 3012 to pass, he has sufficient reason to stop S.1983 in the Committee.
Now, we have another proof to the analysis above. Yes, that's the 3012 move under Rule 14. Since S.1983 was already referred to Committee, it's no longer applicable for Rule 14, which means Grassley's opposition can sentence S.1983 to death. Given this, the Demos and Leahy selected original 3012 to apply Rule 14, so it can get across Committee and Grassley. That's why 3012 was moved under Rule 14 on 12/17, just ONE DAY AFTER Leahy's failure to move S.1983 (12/16).
What to expect next? Well, given Irish have Leahy/Schumer/Durbin and 53 Senate Demos (of coz including Harry Reid), they will definitely bind Irish reforms with 3012. Then 3012 will be sent to House for whole legislative procedures again. Will House approve 3012+Irish reform? That's something we will see. But anyway, this is another exciting US political show, and all immigrants are invited for free.
From oh law firm:
12/28/2011: Irish Media Report Expressing Frustration with Two Partisan E-3 Bills Instead of One Bi-Partisan Bill in the Senate
As we reported earlier, the Irish community has been working hard for E-3 visa legislation which is similar to the E-3 visas which are allowed for the Australians. Sen. Chuck Schumer, along with other two leading senior Democratic Senators, introduced as bill as part of their version of H.R. 3012 for which the Indians and Chinese have a huge stake. Unfortuantely, the Schumer bill remains a Democrat bill without a Republican co-sponsor. Later, a Republican Senator from Massachusetts, Sen. Brown, introducted Republican bill for EB-3 visa excluding undocumented alien relief provision and H.R. 3012 provisions. From the perspectives of Irish community, the Schumer bill is preferrable because their undocumented Irish people can receive benefits. Unfortunately, the undocumented Irish provision can trigger a hostility among Republican Senators and conservative Democratic Senators in the Senate. Besides, even if it is passed in the Senate, the Republican majority House may not give a full support which they showed in H.R. 3012 because of the undocumented alien relief provision of the Schumer bill. From the Irish perspectives, they currently have a better chance to achieve the E-3 visa legislation both in the Senate and the House, but it will cripple their initial wish and dream. For the reasons, they are agonizing in predicament. Read on.
From the perspectives of H.R. 3012 sponsors, both Sen. Brown bill and Sen. Schumer bill in a way pose a problem to achieve their dream to achieve the goal of H.R. 3012 by taggingj it to the Irish visa bill. On the other hand, H.R. 3012 still has a problem to make it through in the Senate without the support of Irish community because Sen. Grassley still stands tall to halt the bill. It is quite an unticipated development at this time for the supporters of H.R. 3012. Hmm.....................
Google's Eric Schmidt was on CNN last night (12/27) and said "its a tragic thing that this country allows thounsands of smart immigrants from India and China to come do their Masters and PHDs and then let them go back to their home country to try out their innovations. We need a way to stop this so that they choose to make the US their permanent homes". I thought it was odd that he said this so emphatically on CNN and hoping he is backing HR 3012 big time.
It will be disastrous to believe the news item coming on Irish site about E-3 and afterwards thinking that it will harm 3012. Irish E-3 Visa is a seperate issue, Nobody tried to attach it with 3012. Schumer have seperate bill and also Scott Brown have one for E-3Visa with and without amnesty. What we are mostly seeing in irish websites are schumer bill they read and waiting for committee. Sen.Shcumer clearly said When he introduced 1983, if this is not going with H.R.3012, he will try other options. All the news item comes until senate is alive again on Jan 23rd is really fear mongering and purely for website traffic. If Irish's are powerful, on the same note tech lobby is more powerful especialy during an election year. We have to wait for Jan 23rd to see the real political drama unveil itself. The order of the day is If there is no news, the speculation of people's mind becomes news Item. Which can be ignored then and there.
Happy New year to All.
Well said !Quote:
Originally Posted by immitime
Schumer bill is HR3012+E3, Please refer SEC 1,2 & 3 in the below link
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1983:
Yes Schumer bill contains H.R.3012 in it. There can be 1000 bills with H.R.3012 on it, before 3012 passes and becomes Law. Each Senators want to have their interest (immigration based) protrayed in an election year, due to various reasons, can be political also. 1983 can go to House for a vote but defintiely not H.R. 3012 in its present form.Quote:
Originally Posted by lalaji
The reason they are including H.R.3012 in it is there is a chance at least Senators will look at the bill. The dog seeing Fire Hydrant story again. So no way this bill will affect H.R. 3012 as a stand alone bill. No body added any amendment so far to H.R. 3012 that still remains a stand alone bill.
thanks for the clarification immitime.
This is how Sen Grassley's opposition was overcome by Jack Abramoff's lobbying - raising funds for Sen. Grassley's campaign. http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/...-lobbying#more
Sen. Grassley's office maintains it acted au contraire and continued to oppose but we know it was intentionally late and tardy.
hmmmm...interesting..very interesting...