I hope so. With so many nut jobs in the House GOP, we need a credible conservative to support it and be a champion... Especially since he seems to be on board with the senate version too.Quote:
Originally Posted by gten20
I hope so. With so many nut jobs in the House GOP, we need a credible conservative to support it and be a champion... Especially since he seems to be on board with the senate version too.Quote:
Originally Posted by gten20
GOP leadership especially in the House should be worried about use of Executive Fiat by the President, especially in the 2nd term as he won't have to face the voters again. Because if CIR does not pass, we will see Executive Orders coming out of White House on Immigration, like DACA last year.
Here is the video of Ed Gillespie, Republican political strategist, senior adviser to Mitt Romney in 2012 during his Presidential Campaign, former Counselor in White House to the President George W. Bush and former Chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), talking about CIR on CNBC. Sounds like a sensible voice among the nutcases.
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000178275
High Skills visa debate today during HJC Markup
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...overnight-tech
Lofgren said she hasn't ruled out voting "yes" for the bill, but noted it would have to incorporate a series of changes in order to win her support.
Might be visa recapture she is talking about. Her amendments would give us a glimpse of what the House Group Bill will contain as she is part of it (if they ever release a Bill)
I saw his interview on Fox News yesterday with Sean Hannity. It is clear he is the "Rubio" equivalent in house to rally enough republicans support there. Anti immigrants in house will never agree to anything just like their senate equivalents. His job will be to gather enough critical republican mass for the bill to pass. Obviously for that to happen the bill will take more right turns.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
They will project it as a seperate independent bill(s) originating from house but in substance it will be senate bill with all the right turns (like requiring congress to certify border security, etc).
Can't help to think that this is party stratergy as a whole to let the "likely" "2016 presidential nominees" as front end for CIR.
Guru's,
Can you clarify on my question. Everywhere in news I see CIR for illegal immigrants. At this stage is there any room that benefits legal immigrants who are waiting in queue with EB2 and EB3? Can you please clarify how the CIR stands as of now for legal immigrants. Sorry if this is a repeat question in the forum.
Yes ofcourse. I am sure almost all of them posting on this thread are very much concerned about the legal part in the CIR. To summarize, if the bill becomes a law AS IS, EB2 will become current almost instantaneously! EB3 will move at a ridiculously fast pace. Basically, if the bill becomes a law, just step outside and you will see a lot of smiling and happy faces on the streets. I am sure I wont stop smiling till I have a jaw pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by coolvibe
Final vote is anytime now.. please call your senators through this link.. less than 2 minutes..
http://www.fwd.us/landing_doa_live?splash=1
Final Voting is going on, I can hear more Yay's. Hope it will pass in house too in near future.
McConnell voted -ve.
CIR has passed senate by 68-32.
As everyone expected, Senate Immigration reform bill was passed by 68-32. The real battle starts now. I really hope we will see some light at the end of this year.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL YOUR WORK.
Final vote: 68-32Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
Everybody, please call your house rep and start bothering them till they submit. If your house rep supports this bill, then go after those that are not in your state neighboring state etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by axecapone
I agree nothing wrong in trying. I am going to do it myself. I am just hoping some cooler heads prevail and house is able to pass this. 68-32 is blow in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by kd2008
It might be worthwhile if someone creates a thread with a list that clearly identifies position of each congressman as Yes No and Undermined. And then as days go by the original author or the moderators can update the header with any changes in position.
Is there somebody who already has such a list handy? Or at least a list of all congressman. Please create a thread with such list and then lets start noting down their positions.
Brilliant idea!! I will do my best and start calling congressmen as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
The list of senators who voted is here: http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/...html?hpt=hp_t1Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...3.html?hp=t3_3
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Originally Posted by self.coach
Let's talk about house members and their inclination toward vote.......Senate is history now...
Senate vote is passe now. We need to work on the congressmen in the house and identify their individual positions on the bill.
And then work only on those who are undetermined. That is the most effective way of pushing this through house.
Posting the position of a congressman will act against our interests. When anti-immigrant groups come to know about a congressman's position, they will focus on that congressman to change his view. All the advocacy should be done in the background and official positions should not be revealed. This is a lesson learned by ** in their earlier days. During one of the earlier campaigns, people and ** leaders used to post the stand of a lawmaker. Anti-immigrant groups would focus selectively on congressmen who support our cause and flood their offices with calls. Let us not repeat that mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
GCQ - I disagree respectfully. The positions of congressmen are already public. Making it further public to this group which is vehemently pro-immigration would only help.
Not publishing to this group and harnessing people's energy is a losing strategy.
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Originally Posted by gcq
Guru's,
What is the probability of passing CIR in House? What are the other roadblocks?
House Judiciary Committee passed the SKILLS Act today (20-14). There were some technical corrections made but no significant change to underlying structure of Bill. Unfortunately Rep.Lofgren never proposed any significant EB legislation and specifically no alteration to spousal exemption or visa recapture
There is always talk of bipartisan approach in the House but a look at the final clerk record makes it hard to believe it can ever happen in the House
http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/...e%20HR2131.pdf
As I mentioned a few pages ago that in the middle of all the talk about illegal immigration,we should always keep in mind how far apart the 2 chambers are regarding legal immigration also
If people are planning to call house members, they should be clear in what they are supporting and opposing. Senate bill was worthy of supporting but this bill is not. It is tripling the number of H1bs without any significant increase in EB green cards. It has per country elimination but that will only help to some extent. Overall, this bill is going to increase the backlog rather than reducing. We should oppose this bill and talk about the provisions that are there in the senate but missing here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
I think house democrats can use option three as listed here in Washington post. This option give democrats power to get the bill to floor by passing committees and
house floor leader, but it might become ugly fight.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ses-the-house/
hope CIR will not be a KLPD in the house..
Quite an interesting read from huffington post. If McConnell is already explaining and trying to distance from his former aides/colleagues who are today supporting CIR; nothing could be a better sign for the future of this bill in House than that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3496219.html
p.s. - Same with John Boehner. Somebody yesterday posted tweets from him saying he said in a "closed door" meeting that he won't let it come to the floor. That a perfect SYA tactic when a politician knows he couldn't stop something from taking place.
We also need to remember what happened in 1986. Senate has passed the immigration reform bill in Sep 1985 but House took one year and passed it on Oct 1986.
am energized for the weekend after reading this
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/us...pagewanted=all
How can u be energized when the senate bill is not going to be taken up in the house and
we are starting from scratch in the house and god knows when?
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Originally Posted by kuku82
partly because of this
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...95R14T20130628
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Originally Posted by whateverGC
There is real danger in the house. First is what the house passes and second is what will happen in the conference committee. If house passes piece-meal bills like SAFE and SKILL and tries to go to conference with the senate, there is real danger that senate provisions related to high skill immigrants will be dropped in exchange for path to citizenship. Our objective should be to meet our district representatives and ask for the support of the senate provisions like Visa Recapture, exemption for dependents, STEM which are missing and get them included in the house bill. If those provisions are included in the house bill, during conference time, they won't have to be sacrificed in favor of other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuku82
Why would senate agree to reconcile house bill if it is not much similar to Senate bill ? Reconciliation process comes into play only when there is only small differences between house and senate bills. House bill in its current form is not a candidate for reconciliation. On the other hand if house is not even friendly to business(high skilled) immigration, how will they ever be friendly to illegal immigration. GOP is friendly to high skilled immigration whereas democrats are for illegal immigration.Quote:
Originally Posted by rupen86
IMO what house is doing now is somehow trying to stall senate bill in its current form. Democrats are in no way going to allow that. If house is not going to come up with a bill close to senate bill or allow senate bill for voting, CIR is dead.
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Originally Posted by gcq
It does not need to be close to the senate bill. House can pass couple of bills and can go to the conference if they wanted. Senate would agree because they want one bill which they can vote on. Reconcile does not mean they have to be close. Ultimately, out of the conference one bill will emerge. Senators like Graham have expressed this recently that house can pass anything and they can go to conference with virtually anything.Democrats will be happy as long as "path to citizenship" is kept and republicans will be happy as long as companies are happy which they would be with more H1bs and other temporary visas. Both would just be fine if green card issue is not resolved.
This again comes to being the combination of all house bills being close to the Senate bill. Has house reached that point yet ? No. Anti-immigrants like King thinks they have upper hand in house immigration bill and somehow can kill it. Unless something drastically changes in speaker Boehner's plan, it will remain a "pipe dream" as some lawmaker put it. GOP needs to show guts to push it forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by rupen86
In 2006 House and Senate passed bills. But house refused to go to conference process. In 2007 two houses were under democrats. No bill in house and Senate CIR failed. Rand Paul also says Senate bill is dead on arrival. No single Senior leadership including Mcconnell voted for CIR. This shows GOP is not yet ready for CIR. Democrats also feel that they did their duty by passing in Senate.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcq
http://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-links-i...130111172.html
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House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi says immigration reform is the right thing for congressional Republicans "if they ever want to win a presidential race."
Good article on nbcnews.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ington-dc?lite
Quoting a piece of the article below. It clearly illustrates how republican congress has an obstructionist agenda. At the same time also note that it is almost a tussle between two philosophies where folks of one genuinely feel they are losing their way of life.Quote:
Boehner spokesman Michael Steel touts several achievements over the past two Congresses (spending cuts, trade agreements, a transportation bill), but he says a large focus has been to stop President Barack Obama and Senate Democrats from passing parts of their agenda.
“Welcome to divided government,” he said. “A big part of our job has been to stop bad things from happening."
I think this will be the only option for CIR in house - “discharge petition”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ration-reform/
A July 10 meeting among House Republicans will be key in determining how they proceed. It may be hard to get to a House-Senate conference with the two chambers taking such different approaches.
http://about.bgov.com/2013/06/28/lof...in-bgov-forum/
A very good summary of what was passed in the senate (sorry if this has already been posted)
http://www.menendez.senate.gov/imo/m...orm%20Bill.pdf
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Originally Posted by girish989