Rep Yes Votes -- Ayotte, Chiesa, Collins, Corker, Flake, Graham, Hatch, Heller, Hoeven, Kirk, McCain, Murkowski, Rubio, Wicker.
Rep Yes Votes -- Ayotte, Chiesa, Collins, Corker, Flake, Graham, Hatch, Heller, Hoeven, Kirk, McCain, Murkowski, Rubio, Wicker.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/n...amendment.html
Buying more time to threaten republican yes sayers to get them to change the final vote.. Last attempt..
Looks like Reid has set 1PM tommorow as deadline for filing all amendments. There may be more votes "to table them", I guess and then cloture.
Activits are mobiling based their members based on Jan27 as voting day. I think that will not be disturbed. Let's see..
Few tech companies favor giving green cards versus few who do not
a) Google, Facebook, Amazon, Ebay , Microsoft are examples of organizations who favor giving green cards sooner. The primary reason being they are unable to get H1 B's for the creme of the crop irrespective of how much they salary they pay. (the consulting companies with 50 to 60K base pay takes away those H1's)
b) Niche Consulting Companies based in US (not just IT consulting) favor giving green cards for the same reason as above. Right now, even to hire an Hardvard MBA out of school, you will need H1 B which is cap limited and scorged by the low level consulting companies
The ones below do not want any techies to ever get a green card, since it helps their business to keep modern day slavery alive (they will sponsor for few just for name sake)
Luckily for us, these organizations are not good at lobbying (That will quickly change since they have a lot of money and dont know what to do with it)
a) Indian IT headweights like TCS and others ( garangutan list) . They love L1's. I have a feeling that they are bankrolling Grassley (just a joke)
b) small time body shopping consulting firms (Desi / American doesnt matter. After getting green card, 99 % of their employees will not stick to them).
c) Few US consulting organizations like Accenture , IBM etc (their policy for filing green cards have got strict by each year, plus all travel related PERMS get into an audit mostly). Their average employee retention is 13 to 24 months and hence it does not make sense for them to sponsor Green cards. The employees who stay longer at these firms are the H1 B's.
As Q mentioned earlier, looks like CIR is the best hope for all Immigrants. As days go by, even if the economy tanks slightly, they will put the cat back in the bag.
Translation - "Activists are mobilizing their members based on June 27 as voting day"Quote:
Originally Posted by idiotic
Frank Sharry, a leading immigration reform advocate, describes congressional Republicans’ views on the legislation as divided between “yes,” “no,” and “vote no, pray yes.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/...ot-immigration
We have to thank Minority Leader for letting his group move forward in spite of an election year for himself in the interest of the party. Also, there are reports he already raised enough money for his own reelection later this year but nevertheless he faces some tough questions in his own primary. Thank you Mitch McConnell.
Senator Warren amendment #1532 may also get discussed tomorrow. Not sure if it will pass.
Requiring employers to sharing green card, H1 & L1 visa paperwork and approvals with employees – This will help prevent abuses in the system as immigrant employees will not be beholden to the employer.
Fix for removal of per country effective date
Clarify job mobility for immigrants after filing adjustment of status - This will allow some job mobility to free up skilled immigrant labor force
Fix for STEM definition to include backlogged applicants, increasing from current limit of 5 years in the bill to 10 years. This will allow backlogged STEM applicants not to be left out. It is being discussed in Immigration Voice.
If it is discussed, it has good chances of being passed. There is hardly any controversial item in this. We should call our senators and ask for the support for this amendment.Quote:
Originally Posted by erikbond101
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) will vote yes on S.744
Of the 6 senators who didn't vote yesterday, 2 are democrats (Sherrod Brown and Tom Udall) - seems they could not vote 'coz their flights were delayed. The 2 republicans who have appeared neutral but lean towards supporting the overall measure are both GA senators (Chambliss and Isakson). In theory the overall yeas' could be 71. Worse case 69.
Today morning on CBC, Paul Ryan sounded optimistic on CIR.
I guess the Republicans started smelling victory at next election by allowing CIR on their own terms and to get credit if passes through.
There is no better time for REPs added with prospect of Hillary running in 2016 and now getting credit for CIR and not being a stumbling block.
But an easy CIR will marginalize DEM's advantage with Latinos and they would fight tooth and nail not to let this happen.
I see the conflict points would be- pathway to citizenship and medical eligibility - But if CIR fails just for these reasons, I am sure DEM's will get the boot.
I am sure Latino lobby must be passing on their view to DEMs(and REPs) - Now or never, get whatever you can, but getting empty handed is not an option. Favorite Mahamood's line- ""Kameez nahi tho colar sahi”
An erstwhile Senator said this of Sen.HatchQuote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
"Don't count your Hatches before they chicken"
The overall yes votes is probably closer to 68 as the article below suggests. Personally I think it does not matter as the vote count was overwhelmingly Democratic and only a minority of the Republicans voted yes. Also none of the Senior Republican leadership voted yes. A lot of the Republican votes were obtained using earmarks which will most likely be stripped out during conference (if it gets that far) owing to the earmark ban in the House.Quote:
Originally Posted by kuku82
http://washingtonexaminer.com/mornin...stom_click=rss
If he indeed said yes - he won't chicken out.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
http://www.usnews.com/cartoons/immigration-cartoons
Hope you enjoy the 71 new ones which are also thoughtful..
http://www.sltrib.com/csp/cms/sites/...sp?id=56505579Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
Salt Lake Tribune article from today. The link opens up a "Print" dialog box but you can just cancel out of that to read the article.
To Q and VizQuote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
I am sure he will vote yes.I was reminded of that joke from years ago.I think it was Sen.Phil Gramm from TX who said that
That was a good one!
Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
In my opinion bill should pass and legalize all 11 million un-documented (illiegals). But Senate/House should also add provision that after date of passing all new illegals should be criminalized and prosecuted. Border Security etc is all bull-s***. What are they going to do with new illegals after 4-5 years of passing this bill?
With E-Verify being the law of the land at that time, both employer and immigrant will be punished.Quote:
Originally Posted by erikbond101
except for pedro the day worker who gets paid in cash for services renderedQuote:
Originally Posted by idiotic
It's tough for someone to live in USA only on cash income. Tea party's logic "Self Deportation" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
The vote count may go higher according to this Conservative sourceQuote:
Originally Posted by kuku82
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...medium=twitter
I missed this article earlier and there might be more piecemeal Bills to come
http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily...id=site_search
There will also be an as-yet undefined bill to “address the millions of individuals currently living unlawfully in the U.S.,” Goodlatte said. No word yet on how that dicey trick is accomplished.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...migration-deal
Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
To Q & geterdoneQuote:
Originally Posted by geterdone
http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/23/con...ntribute-here/
I always thought that the dramatic increase in legal immigration in the Senate Bill was to clear the backlog so the undocumented aliens could start the legalization process ( the so-called "back of the line"). Nothing that the House has said or done recently seems to suggest that they are either willing or ready to accept a 50-75% increase in annual legal immigration. For example during the STEM debate last fall-Rep.Smith & co had offered that the spouses and children could join the primary GC holder in the US on V visas but there was no exemption or increase in GCs for them
Did you notice this effort is by Darrel Issa?
p.s. - The same one whom Holder had given an earful ;)
I do think that a dramatic increase is difficult at this time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Q,Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
Have you read the SKILLS Bill?
Frankly, the status quo is better than the end result from this Bill.
EB visas on a like-for like basis are increased from 140k to 170k. EB2 and EB3 only receive an increase of 15k each initially (not much more than a third increase). EB1, EB4 and EB5 are left unchanged.
There are an additional 55k for US STEM PhD first then US STEM Masters and 10k for a newly created Entrepreneur Category.
235k in total, but the useful increase is only 85k and only a 30k increase for those who do not have a US Education from a fairly restrictive list of institutions.
At the same time, the Bill increases the H1B limit from 65k + 20k = 85k to 155k + 40k = 195k. That's an increase of 130% for H1B versus an increase of 60% in EB Immigrant visas.
With no exemptions from numerical limitations for anybody and no visa recapture, after a very short term benefit to existing applicants, the backlogs would actually become larger and overall retrogression would be worse.
The Bill eliminates a total of 120k immigrant visas from the Diversity program (55k) and FB4 (65k). It then gives 95k to EB (of which 65k are for new Categories). The remaining 25k are used to increase the F2A allocation.
As I said, I would rather have nothing than the contents of this Bill. It's all about no extra Immigrants overall and increased numbers of Non-immigrants. It does absolutely nothing to fix the underlying problems with the Immigration system.
I have to wonder whether Darrell Issa has a AAA rating with NumbersUSA and FAIR. It sure sounds like it.
Spec
AAA from numbersusa - totally agree. In I was talking to the Bill's futility when I made quite an oblique reference to Holder giving earful to Issa.
Check this out .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4dEOfef-R8 - 7:56 onwards is fun part.
Sorry I guess the reference was too oblique.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectator
While CIR is the hope, it depends what it contains. Senate has good provisions for green card. House bill almost does not have anything for that and it has more H1Bs. So in the final bill, if senate provisions are removed, we won't get anything significant that we are hoping for.Quote:
Originally Posted by seattlet
Q,Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
I was so off base, it is actually quite funny.
Thanks for putting me straight.
Edit:- I've seen the clip now - absolutely brilliant!!
To Spec/Q/rupen
The markup of these Bills is today and I am sure Rep.Lofgren will introduce an amendment for visa recapture.During the HR 3012 mark-up that was shot down as non-germane.Hopefully the mark-up process will improve the Bill.There is however country-cap elimination which will relieve a lot of backlog
I thought visa recapture was already there. It was the use of it that was a little weird - something like only available in the 2nd year onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Maybe I'm imagining things.
To viz
We will allow Spec to have the final word on this since I assume he must have made a more thorough analysis. My reading of the text of the SKILLS Act shows no sections or wording indicating visa recapture. Rep.Issa had introduced earlier in the year a more narrow Bill called the STEM Visa Act of 2013 (HR 459) which allowed for some rollover of the STEM visas to subsequent years going forward from 2014 if they were not all used up in a single fiscal year. But I did not see these features incorporated into the SKILLS Act.
Just got this tweet
"In closed door mtg, Boehner just told Rs the House will not bring up the Senate immigration bill"
I was mistaken..i was referring to S744 CIR bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Cloture vote on S744 passed (67-31) ... set up for final vote tomorrow or Friday after additional amendments are discussed. All GOP leaders in the Senate voted "No".
Border surge amendment - Leahy 1183 as modified by Corker-Hoeven passes (69-29) !!! this is considered to be an indicator of the final vote.
Budgetary point of order was also defeated (68-30).
https://mobile.twitter.com/j_strong/...88953635180544
Jonathan Strong:
In closed door mtg, Boehner just told Rs the House will not bring up the Senate immigration bill
Couple of news items of note today
Rep.Lamar Smith's e-verify Bill passed with overwhelming support in the HJC (22-9)
This is an area of Immigration where the House and Senate are fairly close to each other with some differences in timing of implementation and can be reconciled in conference
http://lamarsmith.house.gov/news/doc...umentID=340687
Further amendments on the Senate Bill are unlikely and Sen Reid may just pass the Bill as it is tomorrow or Friday.The final tally looks to be 68-32
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...medium=twitter
It is disappointing that in the end none of the Senate Republican leadership agreed in favor of the Bill
Not surprising. JB has always said "the House will impose its will" ... I don't have a lot of faith in him to do the right thing. Now with the Senate GOP leadership not voting for CIR bill, hes got some back up as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychedelicNerd
Will Paul Ryan be able to help CIR in the House?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...95P18020130626
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44372
Flash CBO report on border surge amendment. Final revised CBO report is available bill would have already passed senate. Nevertheless will be used in Conference.