To Essenel
Your information conflicts with these news stories
http://www.boston.com/Boston/politic...nBN/index.html
and
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/-Se...138938264.html
I don't know which story to believe.On the one hand it appears like a deal is near while the letter from Sen.Grassley seems to suggest that his insistence on H-1b/L-1 reforms seems firm
Only time will tell!
Exactly, and the result of all these can be something different, and my friend unfortunately, that is called POLITRICKS! in a DEMOCRAZY. Praying and sending Hand written letters at least once in a week to Senators. Hope this will be a happy ending!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Sorry to quote an anti-immigrant, but can't help it
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Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, a Washington-area group that favors curbing immigration, argues that the proposals like Brown’s are part of a pattern of discrimination, favoring immigrants from white, English-speaking nations.They’re basically upset because they don’t have the special privileges that they once had,” Beck said. “They have to share those privileges with Latinos and Africans and Asians.”
Looks like either way we will come to know the climax of this episode(HR3012,E3...) in next 10days.
gs, which information are you talking about? In any case, it's all the more reason to write those letter and make those calls...Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
I - or anyone on this forum - is not qualified to give you the absolute best answer for that. It all depends on whether THIS senator has heard more of 3012 or S1857 or the Irish bill from Schumer or Scott and what their individual stances are.Quote:
Originally Posted by essenel
To pick one, I'd pick HR3012... simply because it passed the house and is supposedly/arguably "famous". I'm sure others will have different opinions.
I hope more people are emailing, writing, and calling. This includes those who've recently become current but wont be getting the GC soon purely because of country based quotas. Hopefully, the satisfaction of getting EAD+AP wont lull them into complacency and they'll still remember that these efforts directly help them just as much as those who aren't current yet.
To Essenel
My apologies-I was actually replying to Lalaji's information on Senator Grassley's letter to the President
If we read Gr(ass)ley's letter to Obama, it is clear that he is more interested in his H1B amendments than the HR3012 and how that is harmful. I did not find anything that actually tells that HR3012 (its contents) causes a damage to the American workers. He is only explaining the case of one US electrical engineer and trying to get through his agenda by urging President. On the politricks side, I feel as things are cooking behind doors and senate is probably getting ready for the cloture, Ass uncle feels helpless and is trying to do everything possible in these conditions. That full letter sounds like a desperate but futile exercise to me.
Anyways hoping for the best and doing all action items without fail. Let the good things happen to all of us!!!!
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Originally Posted by lalaji
update from OH law firm:
Boston Globe Reports Two Republican Senators, Scott Brown and Chuck Grassley, Actively Negotiating for Compromise Involving H.R. 3012 & Irish E-3 Visa
As reported earlier, Irish community has been pushing hard Senator Scott Brown of Masschusetts to persuade Sen. Chuck Grassley as fellow Republicans. The chip which is used by the Irish community is threat to the reelection chance for Sen. Brown in November in the Irish dominating State of Massachusetts, which is also considered a threat to the Republican party itself. Accordingly, Chuck Grassley should also feel pressure at this point. Details are not known as to the negotiation and compromise, but pressures are mounting at this time. Interesting to watch how the negotiation will unfold.
Uncle G won't care whether Senator Brown is re-elected or not. He does't care about anybody/anything else. If he cared about these, would he block a bill sponsor by house republicans ? All he cares about is his opportunity to bring focus on himself by blocking bills whether it is HR 3012, $1 coin bill or whatever that comes his way.
Guess what Brown will be negotiating ? H1B provisions as demanded by Grassley. That won't go anywhere either.
Update from Hill: Planning to move this bill by today:
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...says-sen-brown
Do we have a word on whether the bill would be standalone or would move along with H.R. 3012? The above article does not hint of H.R. 3012 anywhere.
I thought Senator's browns bill was E3 without any relief to undocumented.
How does one become Citizen with an E3 visa? Either he does not know what he is talking about or we do not know the entire contents of the bill.
Note: E3 visa will allow 10,000 Irish citizens every year to move to USA if they have a job offer. It is given for 2 years and can be extended as many times as they want. Australia currently enjoys similar arrangement.
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Originally Posted by lalaji
It's quite ridiculous that there are special visa's for people from Ireland and Australia and there are people who make a big deal about immigrants from India/China/Mexico/etc. Talk of racism...
Please pay no attention to news sources. They only report what is told to them and not what the actual negotiations are. The only source to trust is the Senate floor schedule.
manubhai,Quote:
Originally Posted by manubhai
Satisfaction of getting EAD-AP only creating problems, eventhough more than 210,000 EAD holders on EB-3, they are using EAD/AP as Temp GC and getting the jobs using AC21 law and most of the EB-3 Indians don't bother about H.R.3012, who is on EAD. AP helps them to travel smoothly new H1Bs are too ignorant. !
Oh Law Firm Update:
02/09/2012: Sen. Grassley's Pitch Against High Skilled Foreign Workers in his Letter to the President on 02/07/2012
It is indeed annoying to read this letter to the President. His pitch goes against the late initiatives of the Obama Administration to administratively fix in part the broken employment-based immigration system to attract and retain high skilled foreign workers, including employment authorization opportunity for the spouses of valuable foreign brain workers. For most of the nonimmigrant worker visas including L visa, J visa, and E visa, their accompanying spouses are given employment authorization if they want under the current DHS regulations. Then why should the DHS discriminate against the spouses of H-1B workers who play a critical role to sustain the competitive edge of this country in the global competition? Be real, Senator!
Is anything happening on HR-3012?
Senate discussing S.1813 from the morning, so no sign of 3012 today as well :(
Senate is done for the week (http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/02/...-call-votes-9/)
They will reconvene on Tuesday (14th) and I see nothing on the schedule for 3012/3476/1857/1866/1983
(http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/com...e_hearings.htm)
:(
To chengisk
The senate reconvenes on Monday February 13th but as you mentioned-there is no indication any of these Bills are under consideration
To SKPanda
The E-3 visa is an employment visa like the H-1 and L-1 Visa and can be converted into an employment-based Green Card if one finds a suitable sponsor. They can also convert to FB green cards based on family relationship/marriage etc. What he is implying is that the Irish Nationals do not have to overstay their visas illegally and can pursue a path to eventual US citizenship.Also the E-3 visa is a dual-intent visa like in the case of H-1B where the visas can continue to be renewed every 2 years even if the immigration proceedings are pending.
The language for the Irish E-3 is interesting.The educational requirements are not as high as the Australian E-3 and there is no indication that this is open only to specialty occupations.
Not sure how confident you are about E3 being dual intent. My own cousin is Australian Citizen. He was here on E3. He had to change his visa to H1 and then apply for GC. He has mentioned to me that he had to move from E3 to H1.
He works for a large US company and at a very senior position. That would make me think that he along with his company attorney would have explore all options before moving to H1. If E3 --> GC while staying in US was possible, that would have been their first choice.
I will check with him on this again to understand about this and post here when i get a chance.
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Originally Posted by gs1968
To SKPanda
Thanks for the clarification.I would defer to your opinion since your information is more first-hand than mine.I was going by the Wikipedia information as below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_visa
Some lawyer websites mention that after labor certification is approved one can return to Australia and pursue consular processing which seems to work. In any case in 2010 Australia received a total of 2512 green cards of which only 735 were EB.These numbers are too small to draw any conclusions. There is the letter of the Law and the USCIS interpretation guidelines of the law which can be two totally different things as all of us immigrants know very well by now.
Believe me-if the Irish lobby can pull this off,they will make sure that the E-3 is interpreted as dual-intent!
Update from Oh Law Firm: (Denial of H1 & L1 stops new GC filers)
02/10/2012: Pending Irish Nego, a Day Gone by Without Any Action on H.R. 3012 in the Senate Yesterday
The Senate adjourned until 02/13/2012, Monday, with no scheduled debate on H.R. 3012. At this point, Irish E-3 lobby works as a double edge sword for H.R. 3012: A powerful ally as well as a bloc for the stand-alone H.R. 3012. If their negotiation with Senator Chuck Grassley is successful, the bill may even be passed very quickly in a unanimous consent matter without even vote. Depending on the result of the compromise, though, it may or may not face another hurdle when it goes back to the House or to the Senate-House conference process. As time passes, patience runs thin for the H.R. 3012 stakeholders.
02/09/2012: Report Indicates Unusual High Rates of RFE and Denial of H-1B and L-1 Petition in 2011
From 60% to 90% of L-1 petitions experienced either RFE or denial, according to this report. Astonishing!
[SIZE="7"]Interesting twist in Irish E3 bill:[/SIZE]
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Ant...139082249.html
this helps increase EB1C spillover to EB2
Looks like the only way for HR3012 to pass is through is through unanimous consent in the senate. I don't think Reid wants to waste floor time by invoking cloture for HR3012.
The politics on 3012 are just disgusting. ** is not providing any updates. At least when the bill was in the house, we had something happening like the mark-up in the judiciary commitee and we knew well in advance when the bill coming to the floor. Senate is like a huge blackbox and things get revealed only the previous day.
Update from irish central:
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Iri...139082949.html
To Lalaji
I am confused by Irish Central news and was hoping somebody in the forum would explain better.I thought S.1983 was blocked due to the 3012 provisions or a lack of sufficient Republican sponsors to overcme filibuster or both Is he moving his standalone bill? Sen.Schumer has already removed the undocumented waiver provisions and if that was Sen.Grassley's objection then there is no reason to prolong the hold. There is a post earlier linking to IC where anti-immigrant organizations are already targeting this Bill. I think like any other cultural media-IC is only telling people what they would like to hear!
Update from Oh Law Firm:
02/10/2012: Anti-Immigration Group Waking Up to Oppose Sen. Brown Bill
Irish media report indicates that the Numbers USA, one of the primary anti-immigration groups in the country, has started its campaign to oppose the Brown bill. Interesting enough, however, they are opposing Irish E-3 bill for seeking special favor for one individual ethnic group. Since Sen. Brown bill itself covers only Irish E-3 visa and not H.R. 3012, the anti-immigration group appears to target at his stand-alone Irish E-3 visa bill. This new development complicates the H.R. 3012 itself since the Irish attempted to attach their bill to H.R. 3012 through Sen. Schumer against such opposition from the other anti-immigration groups under the assumption that H.R. 3012 would give a better chance to pass in the Senate rather than the stand-alone Irish E-3 bill itself, and for the reasons, implicitly they might not want to see the stand-alone H-R. 3012 being taken up and passed in the Senate. What a mess!!
Gai Bhains pani mein >>> The buffalo went in the water <<<Quote:
Originally Posted by lalaji
Intesrting News from OH Law Firm
According to Oh Law website:
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Yesterday, Congressman Howard Berman introduced in the House H.R.3992 to allow otherwise eligible Israeli nationals to receive E-2 nonimmigrant visas if similarly situated United States nationals are eligible for similar nonimmigrant status in Israel. A similar bill was introduced in the Senate, S.921 by Sens. Schumer, Kirk and Kyl on May 11, 2011. In the House, joining Mr. Berman as original co-sponsors are Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), Ranking Member of the Immigration Policy Subcommittee, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
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No doubt, this is a copy of Irish bill. Since it was introduced in May 2011 but didn't pass, definitely the proposers would like to use HR3012 as vehicle, just like what Irish did. And of course no one doubts the power of Jewish in United States . With powerful co-sponsor (Lamar Smith & Zoe Lofgren), Israel E-2 has great chance to bind with HR3012 when HR3012 is back to House with amendments. After that, another no doubt, the super-combination bill has to go back to Senate again due to Israel E-2 added.
I believe ** never expected such things:
1. Grassley's hard push for H1B reform and his firm hold
2. Irish's great power from Schumer/Leahy/Durbin to bind E-3 with HR3012
3. Another hidden powerful community, Jewish, is waking and attaching their bill
At the end, HR3012, which was described as "probably pass Congress in 2-3 months", becomes a super-combined immigration ball which is kicked between Senate and House, with more and more amendments added.
God bless immigrants!!!
According to Oh Law website:
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Yesterday, Congressman Howard Berman introduced in the House H.R.3992 to allow otherwise eligible Israeli nationals to receive E-2 nonimmigrant visas if similarly situated United States nationals are eligible for similar nonimmigrant status in Israel. A similar bill was introduced in the Senate, S.921 by Sens. Schumer, Kirk and Kyl on May 11, 2011. In the House, joining Mr. Berman as original co-sponsors are Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), Ranking Member of the Immigration Policy Subcommittee, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
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No doubt, this is a copy of Irish bill. Since it was introduced in May 2011 but didn't pass, definitely the proposers would like to use HR3012 as vehicle, just like what Irish did. And of course no one doubts the power of Jewish in United States . With powerful co-sponsor (Lamar Smith & Zoe Lofgren), Israel E-2 has great chance to bind with HR3012 when HR3012 is back to House with amendments. After that, another no doubt, the super-combination bill has to go back to Senate again due to Israel E-2 added.
I believe ** never expected such things:
1. Grassley's hard push for H1B reform and his firm hold
2. Irish's great power from Schumer/Leahy/Durbin to bind E-3 with HR3012
3. Another hidden powerful community, Jewish, is waking and attaching their bill
At the end, HR3012, which was described as "probably pass Congress in 2-3 months", becomes a super-combined immigration ball which is kicked between Senate and House, with more and more amendments added.
God bless immigrants.
http://www.trackitt.com/usa-discussi...page/last_page
Where did you see HR 3012 attached to this bill ? In house there is no need to attach Israeli E2 to HR 3012. HR 3012 already cleared the house. We have enough speculators already !
Isn't it interesting that OH law firm always has "news" :-)
Hardly. E-2 is a non-immigrant Investor Visa. The Irish Bill is for the E-3 visa.Quote:
Originally Posted by bhala5
Shall we come to conclusion, based on the political climate and the recent developments that the HR 3012 is dead?
I am seriously considering to port EB2. Gurus please advice.
If you have an opportunity to port then you should do that regardless of HR-3012. In my opinion, 3012 is not dead - it takes a while for the Senate to move. We can only do our part (Call Senators, Write to Senators) and let the process unfold.
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Originally Posted by vickywac
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Originally Posted by vickywac
Vicky - like imdeng said, you should port if you can. Porting and HR3012 are unrelated topics. Going from EB3 to EB2 itself will save you a few years due to the current status of CODs.Quote:
Originally Posted by imdeng
HR 3012 is no way dead.Not seeing any action in Senate does not mean it is dead. Senate has its own sophisticated rules and procedures. It will take time for it to happen. It is not something which will happen in a flash as soon as Senate convenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by vickywac
As for political climate, would the bill have come this far if the political climate was not conducive. For a moment let us think the path this bill has already taken.
There were so many EB immigration bills introduced in the house. None of them gained traction.
Then comes HR 3012.
It cleared Judiciary committee almost with a voice vote. Many destructive amendments were shot down in no time.
It has 11 co sponsors from both sides of the aisle. Some of them really powerful.
Co Sponsors:
Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6]
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6]
Rep Griffin, Tim [AR-2]
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. [IL-4]
Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12]
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr.
Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16]
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14]
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8]
Rep Smith, Lamar [TX-21]
Rep Thompson, Glenn [PA-5]
It cleared the house with an overwhelming majority 389-15.
Grassley places a hold on the bill. ROW guys proclaim it is the end of the bill. Some lawyers speculated "a single lawmaker can kill a bill in senate". HR 3012 supporters mourned the "premature death" of the bill.
In no time Rule 14 was invoked on the bill to bypass Grassley's hold and bypass judiciary committee.
Next Options:
1. Grassley removing the hold ( will never happen )
2. Invoking a cloture to overcome filibustering ( Will happen, but lot of background work need to be completed)
Somehow HR 3012 supporters thought the bill is going to be clubbed together with Irish E3 and this will lead to an easy passage of the bill. When Irish E3 faced lot of opposition from antis, people started believing that HR 3012 is dead.
Reality is just the opposite. It is good the Irish E3 is facing lot of opposition. If Irish E3 was clubbed together to HR 3012, combined bill is almost guaranteed to die in the house. If HR 3012 goes forward on its own, it is more likely to pass Senate and be signed by president.
Update from Oh Law Firm:
02/12/2012: Stake of H.R. 3012 in the Context of Current Political Landscape
Probably H.R. 3012 is currently at the cross road of either its success or failure considering the given political landscape. As this reporter reported earlier, when it comes to a piecemeal immigration reform legislation, historically a formidable roadblock has been posed by the comprehensive immigration reform forces. Currently, H.R. 3012 supporters do not see any visible opposition from the comprehensive immigration reform forces. Why is that? There are several factors that affect the political environment. One factor is the country's down-turn economy and high unemployment rate that arguably cannot accomodate a flood of new immigrants. The supporters of comprehensive immigration reforms seem to have perceived such hurdle and have been waiting for development of a different environment to seize the momentum. For the reasons, the opposition from these forces has been more or less calm down to a state of a powerful sleeping tiger and accepted a compromise in H.R. 3012 as the next best option available under the given circumstances. When it comes to the immigration, two foremost issues for which they have highest stakes are family reunification (family-based immigration) and resolutions for fates and pains of undocumented aliens. Part of the first issue of family-based immigration has been fixed by H.R. 3012 by increasing family-based immigration per country limit from 7% to 15%. Part of the resolutions for undocumented Mexicans is currently being fixed administratively by Obama Administration reducing the pains of physical separation of family members accross the Southern borders in the form of exercise of prosecutorial discretion of illegal immigrant enforcement and focusing on the so-called "stateside" processing of applications for waiver of inadmissibility for these eligible undocumented Mexicans. For the reasons, people see from the news report that there is no fierce uprising or hostile movement in the Mexican community against the Obama Administration despite his failure to initiate comprehensive immigration reform. They are getting what they need under the given circumstances.
However, as we move closer to the election day, the landscape can change because of the newly developing political landscape which will be created by party politics and election strategies to take advantage of Hispanic voters, awakening the sleeping tiger. No one will be surprised to witness in Washington that comprehensive immigration reform proposals and bills will surface again in one form or another. In the past, it usually surfaced around March or not later than April of the election year. H.R. 3012 may have to be taken care of before the new political landscape surfaces.