Another piecemeal Bill in the house by House Judiciary members for border security closely aligned with Sen Cornyn Amendment
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2013...o-cornyn-plan/
Another piecemeal Bill in the house by House Judiciary members for border security closely aligned with Sen Cornyn Amendment
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2013...o-cornyn-plan/
Unless we see a bill that passes the house , rest is all speculation
Interesting development-I really think the endgame is near
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...orm-92695.html
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Originally Posted by gs1968
We're so not even close to the end game. Its more like they are deciding the rules of the game before starting it.
Assuming it does go through the House, I'll bet there are so many points of contention with the Senate bill that conference will likely take as long as the House and Senate processes (2-3 months easy)
- border security (this itself is a cluster)
- H1Bs
- family based immigration/ points system
- benefits/fees
- pure number of immigrant workers - based on the tenuous compromises between the labor and business groups.
it is ridiculous by design ... it is hilarious, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...migration-bill
The vote was 57-43.
Question- if the final vote on the bill is also 57-43 (just an assumption) is that a fail since it did not get 60 or it just needs a simple majority?
Sorry viz-just trying to pump everybody up.Anyway no further action till MondayQuote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...medium=twitter
Personally I feel that the Go8 & Democrats got a little bit rattled by the vote count on the first vote and decided to cool things off and discuss more before the
next votes
In response to the 60 vote threshold question-After all amendments have been discussed and dispensed with, there will be a cloture vote to end debate which will need a 60 vote threshold.If that passes and cloture is invoked then a simple majority is all that is necessary for final passage.If the cloture fails-the Bill will most likely die unless debate is resumed again
Only simple majority needed, that is why - even Ted Cruz says that bill will pass the senate.Quote:
Originally Posted by geterdone
to table an amendment and final passage of the bill are different things,,
to table a motion requires 67 nays to not kill that motion,,
the bill's final passage (in senate) will require 60 votes to stop GOP (in this case) from using filibuster,,
Quote:
Originally Posted by geterdone
House conference on immigration
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...onathan-strong
Why wait till July when we have all of June left?
Reid said yesterday on senate floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by geterdone
"60 votes on everything" is Mitch mcconnell rule :)
CIR as written has clearly 60+ votes but the republican amedments do not have 60 votes. Reps and Dems know this fact.. It will pass Senate for sure. Real fate for this bill is in house. If the bill passes with 70+ votes as sponsors are trying to get more on board then house will have no choice politically but to pass it with minor alterations..
Goodlatte is holding conference on immigration anyway. So how is this going to be different?Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Indication that he is waiting for the final passed version of senate bill to start amending :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
they are not able to produce anything in a bipartisan way with support of all major groups like unions/chamber of commerce, etc...
you are spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by idiotic
We know that he is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree but this was amusing. It cracked me up. "Immigrants are more fertile" by Jeb Bush and the comments are even more hilarious.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ile/?hpt=hp_t3
I moved a post by silverlining027 to the "Predictions and Calculations" thread on page 84
It has been very quiet here from last few days. Here is the big story. House on its way to produce a bill as early as tomorrow.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ill-92941.html
http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...ments/s744.pdf
CBO report.. -- Good News for supporters !! Bad news for opposers !!
This was expected and I don't think it changes anybody's mind.The Republicans were not in favor of dynamic scoring which is exactly what the CBO report does.Quote:
Originally Posted by idiotic
The report is better than even Schumer or any pro reform group was expecting. Bad CBO report would have meant tough road ahead in house. This report proved that there are no valid good arguments against CIR. We know the true intentions of the people who are against the reform(refer numbersusa/FAIR/etc). The report is not going to make a difference to them anyway but just will corner them more against their invalid arguments.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
All NJ folks should contact Jeff Chiesa's office to request him to vote for passge of S.744.
Chiesa, Jeff - (R - NJ) Class II
1 RUSSELL COURTYARD WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3224
E-mail: Senator_Chiesa@Chiesa.Senate.gov
Senate Republicans on the cusp of buying in?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Deco...o/%28page%29/2
The report is already being twisted by different factions to suit their own agenda. Personally I cannot see how any individual or agency can predict the state of affairs 20 years from now with any degree of certaintyQuote:
Originally Posted by idiotic
http://washingtonexaminer.com/corker...stom_click=rss
More conflicting news stories albeit from a right wing sourceQuote:
Originally Posted by rupen86
http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-ai...stom_click=rss
Analysis, partially looks correct. They seem to be negotiating on border security with Hoeven and Corker and abandoned Cornyn. Those 2 do not have same authority as Cornyn and are not expected to bring significant support with them. I believe, 70 looks a stretch now. It will get between 60 and 70.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
To rupenQuote:
Originally Posted by rupen86
This link substantiates your line of thought about the Hoeven-Corker amendment (Cornyn-lite?!)
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ity-93063.html
Vote tally most likely closer to 60 than 70 unless Democrats start agreeing to some Republican amendments. Even the most punitive and dumb Republican amendments are getting at least 35 GOP votes
I am not sure 60 votes will be enough, if a democratic majority is being strong armed into compromising their ideal markers for the bill then imagine its fate as it makes its way to the House. I was quite optimistic about this bill but I think it is dying a slow death, quite frustrating. There might still be an outside chance but we can all agree that that's pretty slim. Disappointing.
Both the parties should do compromises and sacrifices... Why Democrats want to mix Illegal immigration with Legal immigration, that is the most dumbest thing in the world. Why they want everything comprehensive. Legals have been made hostages for their sefish needs the Votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
I am sarccastic here. "Don't worry buddy, the undisputed Administration is preparing a comprehensive executive order if this ComB apprehensive immigration bill is not passed" as per reports on Feb 2013. If the current Administration have real leadership they will do executive order may be only for Illegals to give passport within three years.. No votes for Legals.. so all EBs (EB2 & EB3) will eternally wait in the Queue
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbar...-know-n1514143
Just to add.. "Do not think republicans will let legal immigration to be reformed too". Best example is fate of HR3012 lat year. Grassley and others will not let anything through. Better support Gang of 8 in their effort to completely overhaul immigration.Quote:
Originally Posted by immitime
You should brush up your info dear... HR 3012 case Grassley lifted the hold on the bill around July 2012, there are almost 5 months after that Why Sen.Reid don't want to file a cloture for HR 3012 at that time?? Democrats want Legals to be hostages for bargaining to give 11millions path to citizenship...HR 3012 was a republican bill. Grassley lifted the hold and Sen Reid, Schumer stalled it. Gang of 8 can only do something on the Senate but not in the House.Quote:
Originally Posted by idiotic
New Proposed amendment on border security could come as early as today.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,2419766.story
Please point me the link which states Grassley lifted the hold. If it was the case no cloture was required. If there was another unknown senator holding up that bill it would have been another republican called sessions..Quote:
Originally Posted by immitime
Cloture is very expensive for Senate which will not be used unless it is really required. It is well known that democratic stratergy is to get every force behind one bill and push it through.
The real people who do not want anything getting done is reps..
I count the foll Republicans who would support:
4 of the Gang
Kelly Ayotte
John Hoeven
Bob Corker
Mark Kirk
Potentially Murkowski, Hatch, Susan Collins, Rob Portman?
NYT says this amendment might get 8 to 12 Republicans. I think that's excluding the Gang. So that might get you up to 70 in the Senate.
New Hoeven/Corker border security amendment being discussed in the senate.
http://www.republican.senate.gov/pub...iew=agenda-day
Hope this helps gain more republican support.
I just got this tweetQuote:
Originally Posted by abcx13
"Ds believe they will hold caucus together, and if Corker is correct that 15 Rs may vote aye, Senate could pass immigration with 69 votes"
It is interesting to see that the Democrats in the Judiciary Committee vehemently opposed the same provisions which they are now hailing. Unless they can agree to enforcement trigger before any form of legalization the Bill will most likely die in conference or never make it to conference at all.The current amendment is unlikely to be enough to placate the House
To Viz/abcx and others who enjoy the game of politics-I found this interesting
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...-bill-20130620
If anything the GOP house caucus needs a new whip.Mr.Kevin McCarthy is losing vote after vote and embarrassing the Leadership
Not a fan of McCain ... but this clip proves he still has some of the same character that once made him the darling of so many independents.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/52266310
Cornyn amendment is defeated.Quote:
Originally Posted by trackright
You might want to watch the Schumer+Mccain vs Cronyn debate on floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
For tamil friends, it would remind senthil goundamani banana joke :)
Schumer and Mcain repeatedly asking Cronyn the same question again and again (where is the money for amendments coming from) and Cronyn kept beating around the bush without answering it. Mccain got frustrated and told him "its simple first grade mathematics" :) Cronyn finally walked out of floor.
On a related note, Cornyn came today on senate floor couple of hours back saying" I just took a closer look at the bill.. where is the money for the new border security amendment going to come from?".. Its very clear his true intentions is to just kill the bill..