EB2 Predictions (Rather Calculations) - 2011

04/12/2011: Importance of Forthcoming Release of EB-485 Inventory Statistics in April 2011 Relating to Use of 12,000 EB-2 Spill-Over Numbers

* There was an informal analysis of the EB-2 inventory by an immigration attorney, Jay Solomon. According to his analysis, there are approximately 17,400 EB-2 cases that have either been filed and expected to be filed and most of these cases are assumedly filed during the July 2007 Visa Bulletin fiasco period, out of the which about 13,200 numbers were filed by Indian nationals according to his report. If this analysis is correct, those who will use the spill-over EB-2 visa numbers within this fiscal year are those with priority dates of 2006 and not beyond. Additionally, the analysis also shows that approximately 75% of the spill-over numbers may be used by the Indian EB-2s. Should the foregoing information is correct, the EB-2 visa numbers for India and China may not move beyond 2006 within this fiscal year which ends on September 30, 2011, four months from May 2011 Visa Bulletin. Very discouraging data, indeed.
* The soon-to-be released April 2011 EB-485 inventory statistics are important in that the data will show a clear picture of the future for these agonizing Indian EB-2 professionals. Please stay tuned.

I couldn't understand what this lawyer is talking about, but if this is true, then it looks really bad for EB2 folks for Jan 2007 and beyond.
If it is some thing featured in http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html then it is some thing, we cannot take it easy.

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Originally Posted by nuvikas

What other site? Q started this forum because there were restrictions in immigrationvoice.org to refer other sites. There are no such restrictions here. Please disclose the source.

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Nuvikas,
I am referring to trackitt.

Nayekal

I see it only as a rumour and don't see facts and analysis behind what is being said here. So we probably should ignore it.

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Originally Posted by nayekal

04/12/2011: Importance of Forthcoming Release of EB-485 Inventory Statistics in April 2011 Relating to Use of 12,000 EB-2 Spill-Over Numbers

* There was an informal analysis of the EB-2 inventory by an immigration attorney, Jay Solomon. According to his analysis, there are approximately 17,400 EB-2 cases that have either been filed and expected to be filed and most of these cases are assumedly filed during the July 2007 Visa Bulletin fiasco period, out of the which about 13,200 numbers were filed by Indian nationals according to his report. If this analysis is correct, those who will use the spill-over EB-2 visa numbers within this fiscal year are those with priority dates of 2006 and not beyond. Additionally, the analysis also shows that approximately 75% of the spill-over numbers may be used by the Indian EB-2s. Should the foregoing information is correct, the EB-2 visa numbers for India and China may not move beyond 2006 within this fiscal year which ends on September 30, 2011, four months from May 2011 Visa Bulletin. Very discouraging data, indeed.
* The soon-to-be released April 2011 EB-485 inventory statistics are important in that the data will show a clear picture of the future for these agonizing Indian EB-2 professionals. Please stay tuned.

I couldn't understand what this lawyer is talking about, but if this is true, then it looks really bad for EB2 folks for Jan 2007 and beyond.
If it is some thing featured in http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html then it is some thing, we cannot take it easy.

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Originally Posted by veni001

Nuvikas,
I am referring to trackitt.

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All ... yep ! We don't just tolerate references but we encourage them. It is important that credit to the source of information must be attributed in the right manner.

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Originally Posted by nayekal

04/12/2011: Importance of Forthcoming Release of EB-485 Inventory Statistics in April 2011 Relating to Use of 12,000 EB-2 Spill-Over Numbers

* There was an informal analysis of the EB-2 inventory by an immigration attorney, Jay Solomon. According to his analysis, there are approximately 17,400 EB-2 cases that have either been filed and expected to be filed and most of these cases are assumedly filed during the July 2007 Visa Bulletin fiasco period, out of the which about 13,200 numbers were filed by Indian nationals according to his report. If this analysis is correct, those who will use the spill-over EB-2 visa numbers within this fiscal year are those with priority dates of 2006 and not beyond. Additionally, the analysis also shows that approximately 75% of the spill-over numbers may be used by the Indian EB-2s. Should the foregoing information is correct, the EB-2 visa numbers for India and China may not move beyond 2006 within this fiscal year which ends on September 30, 2011, four months from May 2011 Visa Bulletin. Very discouraging data, indeed.
* The soon-to-be released April 2011 EB-485 inventory statistics are important in that the data will show a clear picture of the future for these agonizing Indian EB-2 professionals. Please stay tuned.

I couldn't understand what this lawyer is talking about, but if this is true, then it looks really bad for EB2 folks for Jan 2007 and beyond.
If it is some thing featured in http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html then it is some thing, we cannot take it easy.

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Sorry, did not understand the big deal about this. They seem to be assuming that 12000 will be the total spillover for the fiscal year. If thats the case then they are probably right but we know this is not true. Its probably going to be 30000+.

"they are constrained by the limits on the maximum number of visas they can issue during any one fiscal quarter.

There is a flat prohibition on issuing more than 30% of the total number of visas in the quota in any of the first three fiscal quarters. There is no limit on the fourth quarter. "

http://www.immigration-information.c...74/index5.html

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Originally Posted by raj888

"they are constrained by the limits on the maximum number of visas they can issue during any one fiscal quarter.

There is a flat prohibition on issuing more than 30% of the total number of visas in the quota in any of the first three fiscal quarters. There is no limit on the fourth quarter. "

http://www.immigration-information.c...74/index5.html

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Looks like lot of unknown unknowns!! limiting VISA Spillover and Fall Across?

Thanks. Welcome. Good post.

This explains in very easy terms why SOFAD is primarily applied in Q4 and why we see significant date movements in Q4 (only).

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Originally Posted by raj888

"they are constrained by the limits on the maximum number of visas they can issue during any one fiscal quarter.

There is a flat prohibition on issuing more than 30% of the total number of visas in the quota in any of the first three fiscal quarters. There is no limit on the fourth quarter. "

http://www.immigration-information.c...74/index5.html

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I think CIS+DOS together have lot less unknowns now than a year ago.Pressure/lobbying from AILA to hold-on to EB2 movements until last quarter, combined with some 'unknown' w.r.t upgrades is the cause for sluggish EB2 movements.

DOS wants to go very conservatively so as to avoid any potential law-suits or infamous publicity for not allocating a well deserved EB2-ROW or EB3-EB2 upgrade a visa, by aggressively moving dates.

I do believe the numbers are still the same, may be a grand more on the upgrades side, but the dates will move nevertheless by last quarter.

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Originally Posted by veni001

Looks like lot of unknown unknowns!! limiting VISA Spillover and Fall Across?

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IN addition Ron's views can also be construed as there is going to be very little movement of dates in June bulletin. I am optimistically looking at between 2 to 7 weeks. Would be glad if they do another 7.

Q, I don't think that upper-limit applies to spillovers. If that's the case there's no real definition of quarterly Spillover, which they say they do all the time.( we all know they don't :)). my point is more on the lingo of quarterly spill-over. If that definition/lingo exists, it means the limit doesn't?

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

Thanks. Welcome. Good post.

This explains in very easy terms why SOFAD is primarily applied in Q4 and why we see significant date movements in Q4 (only).

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Agree that spillovers don't take place. However, spillovers can still happen within the 30% limit (if they chose to do it). Essentially one could (theoretically) applied spillover till you hit 30% ceiling.

p.s. - I do not know whether SPILLOVERs are mandatory or nice-to-haves from legal perspective. Would be interesting if anybody can dig the information.

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Originally Posted by leo07

Q, I don't think that upper-limit applies to spillovers. If that's the case there's no real definition of quarterly Spillover, which they say they do all the time.( we all know they don't :)). my point is more on the lingo of quarterly spill-over. If that definition/lingo exists, it means the limit doesn't?

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Originally Posted by gcseeker

Q

Pretty good catch .Yup definetly the dates would have retrogressed .
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It might not continue to be the same if EB2 moves rapidly. USCIS seems to be testing the waters to get an idea for this.

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Not necessarily that since the dates have not retrogressed, porting cases are less than or equal to India's annual quota. They may not have retrogressed the dates and left it like that hoping that 12K will remove the need to move the dates back. Retrogressing the dates reflect badly on their performance.

In the normal cases spillover was done in the last quarter, but now they talked about it in June means that
1) either there are quite lot of porting cases and so they want to do a mid year spillover (12K) to not to retrogress the dates (purely for their performance reason as retrogressing dates reflect badly on them)
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2) They are worried that they will not be able to allocate the (12K++ EB1) visas in the last quarter.

Otherwise they would not have talked about mid year (12K) spillover in June. Also their statement "very high porting" means the first case.

I believe porting is in the range of 10,000 K/pa. I am sure Q must have done an analysis on the Perm data to gauge the porting because that it the only way we can get an idea of that, IF WE CAN.

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Originally Posted by gcseeker

Q

It might be a sign of behavioral psychology where people with EB3 dates close to 2003 seem to believe they will get the gc within a couple of years and do not want to spend the 10,000 for porting.....

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My assumption is that more cases from 2006 and beyond simply mean that brisk desi consultancy money for porting business from people who are already with Consultants or came through consultants, people from earlier years are reluctant to port as they are settled down, they know it will take them years to get GC even with their 2003 or 2004 PDs.

Q

I have not followed your analysis thoroughly but cannot we get an general idea about the porting from the Perm data for last year. Something like surge in EB2 India applications in the last year.
I will just say EB2 India only because genuine porting (people changing the Job for EB2 position) is very less. Well of course people can port for a future job as well.

Don

A number of people on this forum have done good calculations and come to conclusion that porting is between 4-6K in total (i.e. for all possible dates). You can find it in the prior pages (but i admit its a pain to go back 46 pages!!).

And yes that analysis is based on trackitt and labor data.

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Originally Posted by donvar

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I have not followed your analysis thoroughly but cannot we get an general idea about the porting from the Perm data for last year. Something like surge in EB2 India applications in the last year.
I will just say EB2 India only because genuine porting (people changing the Job for EB2 position) is very less. Well of course people can port for a future job as well.

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Originally Posted by donvar

Not necessarily that since the dates have not retrogressed, porting cases are less than or equal to India's annual quota. They may not have retrogressed the dates and left it like that hoping that 12K will remove the need to move the dates back. Retrogressing the dates reflect badly on their performance.

In the normal cases spillover was done in the last quarter, but now they talked about it in June means that
1) either there are quite lot of porting cases and so they want to do a mid year spillover (12K) to not to retrogress the dates (purely for their performance reason as retrogressing dates reflect badly on them)
OR
2) They are worried that they will not be able to allocate the (12K++ EB1) visas in the last quarter.

Otherwise they would not have talked about mid year (12K) spillover in June. Also their statement "very high porting" means the first case.

I believe porting is in the range of 10,000 K/pa. I am sure Q must have done an analysis on the Perm data to gauge the porting because that it the only way we can get an idea of that, IF WE CAN.



My assumption is that more cases from 2006 and beyond simply mean that brisk desi consultancy money for porting business from people who are already with Consultants or came through consultants, people from earlier years are reluctant to port as they are settled down, they know it will take them years to get GC even with their 2003 or 2004 PDs.

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donvar,

If you look at PERM trending for FY2011 is almost same as FY 2010, based on for FY 2011 Q1 update.

I-140 trending is also same
October 2009 - January 2010 - Total i-140 completions = 23,512
October 2010- January 2011 - Total i-140 completions = 23,117

We know there is substantial decrease in EB1 which means FY2011 may have higher % EB2 i-140 compared to FY 2010. But what % of them are porting is a big question?

As i stated in my earlier post ,unless half of EB2I PERM approvals are porting cases in the last two quarters,12k porting is not a possibility.
(Note:2011 ROW PERM approval numbers are less than or equal to 2010 ROW PERM approval numbers)

Hi,
I just calculated PERM approval for India based on PD(year), I dont know how useful it is, but just want to share with you.

PD_Year Total Cumulative_Description
2006 25703 (14K approved in '06 + 11K in '07 + 108 in '08 + 50 in '09 + 11 in '10)
2007 23011 (12719 approved in '07 + 8335 in '08 + 927 in '09 + 1005 in '10)
2008 22885 (8K apporved in '08 + 10K in '09 + 4381 in '10)
2009 15146 (15K in '10)
2010 17659 (9K in '10 + 8K in '11 Q1)

How ever this would not give us, How many EB2 or EB3 numbers, and also how many are porting cases or new cases?.
If they are all new cases, as every one knows , there is more concentration in '06, '07 and '08.
If most of them are porting cases with PD earlier than '06 then most of them already greened/ or going to green.

a question/discussion to/for Q and all senior members....

IMO even a small % of spillover is also not yet applied... because when spillover occurs India and china need to be on same cut off date which is not seen in May bulletin...

So are we in for a big move (18 months last year) this time too?

Why i ask this... my pd is in Oct 2007...

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Originally Posted by soggadu

a question/discussion to/for Q and all senior members....

IMO even a small % of spillover is also not yet applied... because when spillover occurs India and china need to be on same cut off date which is not seen in May bulletin...

So are we in for a big move (18 months last year) this time too?

Why i ask this... my pd is in Oct 2007...

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Soggadu,
May or May not, 2005 had very less filings compared to 2006 or 2007 so any forward movement depends on total SOFAD available by July 2011.

Soggadu,
I agree with veni001's assessment. Late2006 to mid2007 per mensum EB2 I-485 filing density is very high. CIS needs not only a decent spillover number but also quite a bit of will power to wade through the pending applications. Positive aspects - many of them are preadjudicated. Negatives: Apart from the density, DoS states that upgrading/porting applications might throw a wrench in CIS's processing speed. But estimated spillovers will force them to work fast or CIS may waste visas at the end of the FY. DoS no like waste. :)

PS: I have a graph of pending application at papyh.tumblr.com

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Originally Posted by raj888

"they are constrained by the limits on the maximum number of visas they can issue during any one fiscal quarter.

There is a flat prohibition on issuing more than 30% of the total number of visas in the quota in any of the first three fiscal quarters. There is no limit on the fourth quarter. "

http://www.immigration-information.c...74/index5.html

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Hi Raj
Did you see Ron's comment on the same link
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Re: EB2 visa availability
The USCIS has absolutely nothing to do with creating cutoff dates or publishing the Visa Bulletin. That is the sole province of the State Department. I suspect that we will see much more movement in the fourth quarter (July - September)."""

What does he means by " suspect that we will see much more movement in the fourth quarter (July - September)."
Can anyone comment on this.

Thanks

ifaith

That's poor choice of words by Ron. He means he is cautiously optimistic that the dates will move much more in Q4.

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Originally Posted by ifaith

Hi Raj
Did you see Ron's comment on the same link
"""
Re: EB2 visa availability
The USCIS has absolutely nothing to do with creating cutoff dates or publishing the Visa Bulletin. That is the sole province of the State Department. I suspect that we will see much more movement in the fourth quarter (July - September)."""

What does he means by " suspect that we will see much more movement in the fourth quarter (July - September)."
Can anyone comment on this.

Thanks

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I asked Ron about it. Let's see what he comes back with. Basically, I thought only Ron can know what he really 'meant'? :)

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Originally Posted by ifaith

Hi Raj
Did you see Ron's comment on the same link
"""
Re: EB2 visa availability
The USCIS has absolutely nothing to do with creating cutoff dates or publishing the Visa Bulletin. That is the sole province of the State Department. I suspect that we will see much more movement in the fourth quarter (July - September)."""

What does he means by " suspect that we will see much more movement in the fourth quarter (July - September)."
Can anyone comment on this.

Thanks

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I only responded to iFaiths question and explained what I thought it meant

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Originally Posted by leo07

... only Ron can know what he really 'meant'? :)

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:) I had the same question as iFaith when I read Ron's comment. I thought it could have been a poor choice of words( like you did ) or some inconclusive chain of thought.

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

I only responded to iFaiths question and explained what I thought it meant

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Here is Ron's response for the same. This must bring cloture to question: "No, I think that we will see more movement than we have seen in the last couple of fiscal years. The numbers of visas available for this year's fourth quarter should be higher than what we have seen in the recent past. I really don't expect to see any miracles from the CIS (that is, I don't expect to see them step up and start approving cases at a faster rate), so the supply will be higher and the known demand will stay about the same. This should cause faster cutoff date movement in order to attract more cases for consular processing."

Glad to know that my interpretation was good.

I think he is right on Q4 spillover. He may be right on date movement. But he is dead wrong on USCIS' ability to utilize visas.

With so many preadj cases, USCIS will be able to utilize all visas without any doubt.

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Originally Posted by leo07

:) I had the same question as iFaith when I read Ron's comment. I thought it could have been a poor choice of words( like you did ) or some inconclusive chain of thought.



Here is Ron's response for the same. This must bring cloture to question: "No, I think that we will see more movement than we have seen in the last couple of fiscal years. The numbers of visas available for this year's fourth quarter should be higher than what we have seen in the recent past. I really don't expect to see any miracles from the CIS (that is, I don't expect to see them step up and start approving cases at a faster rate), so the supply will be higher and the known demand will stay about the same. This should cause faster cutoff date movement in order to attract more cases for consular processing."

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Q

If DOS moves dates cautiously and spillover levels will be as per your calculations here, then visa wastage is bound to happen, do u agree?

If they don't allow new I485s now (in intervals), they will most likely have to open gates at somepoint, which will be very good for me, looking at the direction they are going it may become reality soon

In that case teh visas will fall down to EB3. But they won't be wasted.

The situation when spillover > EB2 485 cases waiting for visa AND USCIS doesn't move dates far beyond Jul 2007 is difficult to fathom. Since a 485 case usually takes at least 3 months to process ... if indeed spillover is going to be that big AND USCIS hasn't moved dates means:

1. The spillover is not that high inthe first place.
2. USCIS is ok with FD from EB2 to EB3 but is not ok with moving dates aggressively ahead.

We will know better next month. My hunch is 1 is true rather than #2

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Originally Posted by bieber

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If DOS moves dates cautiously and spillover levels will be as per your calculations here, then visa wastage is bound to happen, do u agree?

If they don't allow new I485s now (in intervals), they will most likely have to open gates at somepoint, which will be very good for me, looking at the direction they are going it may become reality soon

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Yes. I think whether CIS would waste visas this year or not is debatable. Like bieber pointed out, if they wait until September to move dates for EB2, then they could end up wasting some visas. Plus, the disorderly allocation of visas is inevitable in that case.

On contrary, TSC has been sitting on 140's for a while now, when they begin to come out, it could throw some numbers off.( my 140 is stuck there for 181 days:()

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

Glad to know that my interpretation was good.

I think he is right on Q4 spillover. He may be right on date movement. But he is dead wrong on USCIS' ability to utilize visas.

With so many preadj cases, USCIS will be able to utilize all visas without any doubt.

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Dude .... do you really think they will waste visas when they have at least 100K preadj cases in EB alone? Do really think that rather than going the visas waste they won't fall-down to EB3?

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Originally Posted by leo07

Yes. I think whether CIS would waste visas this year or not is debatable. Like bieber pointed out, if they wait until September to move dates for EB2, then they could end up wasting some visas. Plus, the disorderly allocation of visas is inevitable in that case.

On contrary, TSC has been sitting on 140's for a while now, when they begin to come out, it could throw some numbers off.( my 140 is stuck there for 181 days:()

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Q,
yes, they can use those visas for EB3. do you see keeping EB2 not current and allocating EB2 visas to EB3 as a possibility? Still under the assumption of spillover > pending(pre-adjudicated) 485s

Honestly, Yes, I can see that happening if they wait until September. because they will have only 18-20 working days to play with. Unless they have a plan in place already, which I doubt, to allocate visas to EB3 as well.

I think that by September 30th, even if there are handful of EB3s approved ahead of Eb2s they are really in trouble. There must be well choreographed act to not get into any sort of trouble:)

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

Dude .... do you really think they will waste visas when they have at least 100K preadj cases in EB alone? Do really think that rather than going the visas waste they won't fall-down to EB3?

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I think that by September 30th, even if there are handful of EB3s approved ahead of Eb2s they are really in trouble. There must be well choreographed act to not get into any sort of trouble:)

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CIS can pull of anything and not get into trouble. One such is the report that CIS, in the past, has approved 485s without PD being current.

yes, I have seen those cases:). In all practical sense, CIS has no incentive to allocate visas to EB3 over EB2. All, I'm saying is they will not go out of their way to help anybody, but try to work within the framework as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by anuran

CIS can pull of anything and not get into trouble. One such is the report that CIS, in the past, has approved 485s without PD being current.

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Bieber

If you look at EB1, USCIS has preferred to keep the category current before allowing any FDs to EB2. So that is why I think that EB2 should be current before any FD is allowed to EB3.

If SpOv > EB2-485; then dates must move aggressively at latest in Jun to avoid visa wastage or spillover to EB3. I think it is already late to move dates if SpOv > EB2-485 were the case.

And so I think that is NOT the case. Hope I am wrong on this one!

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Q,
yes, they can use those visas for EB3. do you see keeping EB2 not current and allocating EB2 visas to EB3 as a possibility? Still under the assumption of spillover > pending(pre-adjudicated) 485s

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Q, I agree with your equation. I think that by June 1st approvable 485 cases for (EB1+EB2) will be much less than available Visas( visas in hand ). That is Where DOS has to gamble, IMO

I just hope that USCIS doesn't waste visas during spillover; since the overall visa numbers have been properly utilized in the last few years, I am somewhat hopeful that visas won't be wasted this year too. On a related note, does USCIS issue RFEs on already pre-adjudicated cases, especially if the pre-adjudication date is a bit old. For example, if someone's case was pre-adjudicated 2 years back is there a strong possibility that USCIS will issue RFE on employment verification, W2, paystubs, etc. I am asking this because if USCIS moves the dates only during Aug-Sep and there are lots of RFEs (like the ones described above), USCIS might not have ample time to adjudicate those cases by end of Sep (which essentially means that those visas will be wasted for FY11).

I totally agree with pch.There is a strong possibility of the RFE's being issued on pre-adjudicated cases by the USCIS in this current economy.

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Originally Posted by pch053

I just hope that USCIS doesn't waste visas during spillover; since the overall visa numbers have been properly utilized in the last few years, I am somewhat hopeful that visas won't be wasted this year too. On a related note, does USCIS issue RFEs on already pre-adjudicated cases, especially if the pre-adjudication date is a bit old. For example, if someone's case was pre-adjudicated 2 years back is there a strong possibility that USCIS will issue RFE on employment verification, W2, paystubs, etc. I am asking this because if USCIS moves the dates only during Aug-Sep and there are lots of RFEs (like the ones described above), USCIS might not have ample time to adjudicate those cases by end of Sep (which essentially means that those visas will be wasted for FY11).

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Originally Posted by leo07

Honestly, Yes, I can see that happening if they wait until September. because they will have only 18-20 working days to play with. Unless they have a plan in place already, which I doubt, to allocate visas to EB3 as well.

I think that by September 30th, even if there are handful of EB3s approved ahead of Eb2s they are really in trouble. There must be well choreographed act to not get into any sort of trouble:)

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Guys I remember there was a discussion long back on this when we tried to explain the high number of approvals in Oct. That time it was reasoned out that the cap number was allocated in September. So for this scenario I feel that 2 months should be good time to at least attach the cap number so probably Aug is ok Sep maybe late. Leo please pray for me this way you are also assured your 485 :)

Sorry guys. It was not my intention to divert your attention from the current topic, but I couldn't resist in posting this info, which I find it very interesting and for you guys analyze.
http://www.immigration-information.c...e-issues-66/de

Basically talking about the demand data, I always thought the numbers listed are for only for those apps with I485 being applied and probably pre-adjudicated or not. But, we never accounted for those cases where some one pays an invoice fee for IV Application process (currently $794.00), then these cases will appear in demand data.
People who have their PD's with I140's approved within 12-18 months of the current date, will receive these invoices (but not every one) and among them few people might pay off these fees and send their application files. These apps for both primary and dependants might be added to demand data, but still not eligible for visa numbers as they are not current.

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Originally Posted by nayekal

Sorry guys. It was not my intention to divert your attention from the current topic, but I couldn't resist in posting this info, which I find it very interesting and for you guys analyze.
http://www.immigration-information.c...e-issues-66/de

Basically talking about the demand data, I always thought the numbers listed are for only for those apps with I485 being applied and probably pre-adjudicated or not. But, we never accounted for those cases where some one pays an invoice fee for IV Application process (currently $794.00), then these cases will appear in demand data.
People who have their PD's with I140's approved within 12-18 months of the current date, will receive these invoices (but not every one) and among them few people might pay off these fees and send their application files. These apps for both primary and dependants might be added to demand data, but still not eligible for visa numbers as they are not current.

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Sorry. My earlier link, didn't work
http://www.immigration-information.c...ication-13933/