I don't see any NY NJ Congressmen that voted no.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
I don't see any NY NJ Congressmen that voted no.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
My bad. It was NC that had the NOs. I scrolled a little too much when I went down the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales
that has something curious in it too. Both democrats that voted no are from NC.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
Alert from Fargomen about HR 3012 http://www.fragomen.com/newsresource...erts&news=1408
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Originally Posted by natvyas
Sen Grassley places hold on H.R.3012 (number usa news I do not know how much value we can give it to this. but need to work on Grassley more to make his thinking proper.
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/node/12604
Sen. Chuck Grassley to Place Hold on Employment-Based Visa Bill
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/node/12604
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Originally Posted by immitime
For a moment I thought the Republicans might actually possess some intelligence...
From Wikipedia:
A "hold" is placed when the leader's office is notified that a senator intends to object to a request for unanimous consent from the Senate to consider or pass a measure. A hold may be placed for any reason and can be lifted by a senator at any time. A senator may place a hold simply to review a bill, to negotiate changes to the bill, or to kill the bill. A bill can be held for as long as the senator who objects to the bill wishes to block its consideration.
Holds can be overcome, but require time-consuming procedures such as filing cloture. Holds are considered private communications between a senator and the Leader, and are sometimes referred to as "secret holds". A senator may disclose that he or she has placed a hold.
This is not good at all for the bill. It will kill it.
It seems that the Senate will now need to file cloture and get 60/100 votes in favor if Grassley doesn't withdraw the hold. It will need at least 9 republicans to support if all Dems vote for it.
I think the bill just got f***ed.
hold - An informal practice by which a Senator informs his or her floor leader that he or she does not wish a particular bill or other measure to reach the floor for consideration. The Majority Leader need not follow the Senator's wishes, but is on notice that the opposing Senator may filibuster any motion to proceed to consider the measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by venkimakthal
He is opposing bill , but still it will move on. This time he is going to be a biggest looser.
IMO the only way a bill can pass through senate is by a cloture vote. There is no other way to let a bill through senate without one determined senator filibustering it. As for Grassley, he is known to block all immigration bills. I think this bill will have enough votes to overcome filibustering. For now I would consider this only as game by Grassley which will ultimately be overturned one way or other.
How about making calls & Sending letters to Mr.Grassley to support . Will that work.
Grassley is an anti-immigrant lawmaker (Steve King's "cousin" in the senate ) Calling/Mailing won't work with him.Quote:
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A little typical of us Indians, I think, such volatile swings of emotion. Reminds me of how we held our team up as unbeatable when they won the WC, and then wanted them skinned alive when they failed to win a test in England 2 months later.Quote:
Originally Posted by abcx13
Nothing's changed between the day before yesterday, yesterday and today. It was always going to be a challenge getting this through the senate, and it still is. There was always a good chance of successfully getting this through the senate and there still is.
I don't believe Grassley will actually resort to a filibuster on something as trivial as HR3012 even if he threatens to. And in any case, if you think you won't get 9 Republican Senators to support a Republican sponsored bill that had 96% of support in the House you are seriously deluded. 3 already sponsored bills that had the provision in it!
Take a deep breath and think this through before putting a gun to your heads.
Like some others said here, every one knows Grassley will not support any immigration bills. I don't think this is a surprise or there is any thing to panic. Just do what ever we can to support. ** may asked for more support as they may need more resources to get to all the offices in the limited time.
From **:
Administrator2: Guys, please, I know we all really want to see this through but please, understand that there is a process here, and at the end of the day we are in good shape. Just hang tight and let us do our thing. If it makes you feel any better, we knew this yesterday and knew this was coming almost weeks ahead. Let the process unfold and things will happen. We need not overreact. Its all for good.
This is a Republican sponsored bill and Republicans showed more support to it in the House than Dems. This was part of Rubio's AGREE Act. This will not be shot down by Republicans. There will be individual opposition (like Grassley in Senate and King in House) - but unfortunately individual opposition carries more weight in the Senate than in the House. Still - I think at this point it is just posturing by Grassley - he gets a lot of money from NumbersUSA type people and he has to show something for it. This will delay the bill a little bit - but Chuck Shumer has mentioned that he is going to push the bill through quickly - and considering that is the chair of the Judicial Committee - I am still hopeful about the passage of the bill before Christmas.
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Originally Posted by sportsfan33
I'm not an expert but this could be "posturing" .....there is a lot of give and take involved in these corridors of power....who knows grassley wants to cut a deal on a different bill and wants the sponsors to come to the table by doing this
Someone rightly said....let's wait and watch.....this is not unexpected and we should not be naive.....
Ref https://www.numbersusa.com/content/node/12604
Guys,
This is the reason, he is giving...
"I rise to inform my colleagues that I am placing a hold on H.R. 3012, the Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act. This bill would eliminate the per-country numerical limitations for employment and family-based immigrants. I have concerns about the impact of this bill on future immigration flows, and am concerned that it does nothing to better protect Americans at home who seek high-skilled jobs during this time of record high unemployment."
We all know that, this bill will not rise the number of immigrants and hence it will not be a fodder for any anti-immigrant groups. Grassley might not have read it thoroughly, if he did, he may not give the statement he made above. There are chances that he might even go back on this (remove hold). But, in case if there are any changes made to this bill right now, then it has to go back to the house. That will take another 3 to 6 months in case if it passes and the bill might be active from OCT 2012, instead of applying retroactively to Oct 2011.
See here.....No press releases by Mr. Grassley today on HR3012
http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/press_releases.cfm
You will also find what was released today.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by nayekal
Numbersusa is a dedicated anti-immigrant website. Please do not trust what they have to say about any immigration issues.
It's not a hoax. It's now in Congressional Records.
Not sure if link will work, but I can see the thing on congressional records website.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/.../~r112PaC8F3::
Media narrative on HR-3012 is focusing more on the FB side of the bill.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/pol...-make-us-home/
Not a particularly bad thing - the bill is now in Democrats' hands - and they are likely to be more amenable to a narrative centered on Latinos. The article also mentions the encouraging comment by Sen. Chuck Schumer.
my 2 cents on grassley - i think that is nothing but posturing. Stay positive about the bill. Grassley has to take the stand he is taking. But looking at the house voted on this one - he is going to be alone on this one.
Also note what NumbersUSA says -
That in itself says this bill is in the best shape it could ever be.Quote:
NumbersUSA took no position on the bill since it would not change overall immigration levels.
It was clearly nor a hoax - it was a statement made by Grassley on the Senate floor. However, it was to be expected from someone as anti-immigrant as Grassley. There will now be some sort of negotiation I imagine and he might try to insert some stupid amendment there. Lots of bills get holds in the Senate and then get ultimately resolved - so its not something that will kill the bill given the exceedingly popular support behind it in the house and presumably in the Senate as well. However, the process of either negotiating away a hold or cloture motion to override the hold both will take some time and will delay the passage in the Senate. The delay might just be a few days on the optimistic side to forever on the extreme pessimistic side - the balance of opinion at this time though is on the optimistic side.
Hispanic vote in Vegas might be the key that will force Reid's hand. Plus - at least Rubio (FL) and Lee (UT) are already on board on the R side.
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