While this bill is being actively negotiated in Senate, there has been no news from the House about immigration reform bill or bills. Does this mean House is playing 'wait n see' for the CIR bill in Senate?
While this bill is being actively negotiated in Senate, there has been no news from the House about immigration reform bill or bills. Does this mean House is playing 'wait n see' for the CIR bill in Senate?
Senate Judiciary committee approves immigration bill.. votes 13 yes and 5 nays..
A positive move ...
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...on-reform?lite
House will publish their own billQuote:
Originally Posted by seahawks2012
To seahawks
The House situation is in crash and burn mode
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...9.html?hp=t3_3
On a different note I really thought that Sen.Cornyn would vote yes on the final Bill.Sen.Hatch sided with the conservatives with most amendments except for the one he wanted.
At least the consensus opinion is that there will be no roadblocks to full debate on the Senate Floor.
If we want to get a feel for the House Judiciary committee's views on the Senate Bill, a hearing is scheduled for tomorrow
http://judiciary.house.gov/news/2013/05212013_2.html
Clearly the witness list is more tilted to the right than one would expect in the Senate
Inclusion of this amendment is a big win for us. The exclusion of this in the original bill was very surprising and frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcq
Agree, this is big. This will let us off the H1B label quickly which is what makes our life hell here.Quote:
Originally Posted by rupen86
I guess this was expected in Republican controlled House.
http://www.heraldonline.com/2013/05/...ms-senate.html
Statement of House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Bob Goodlatte
http://judiciary.house.gov/news/2013...005222013.html
The House is the place to watch.This legislation will pass on Republican terms only
"THE LEDE: House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) will unveil an immigration bill that will boost the number of visas for highly skilled workers at an event Thursday morning.
The Supporting Knowledge and Investing in Lifelong Skills, called the Skills Act for short, includes many policy measures that the tech industry has lobbied for. Representatives from the Consumer Electronics Association and Compete America are slated to speak in favor of the bill at the event.
Issa's bill is the third piece of immigration legislation that's been put forward in the House Judiciary Committee this year. Goodlatte has said he wants to tackle immigration reform in a piecemeal fashion by introducing bills that cover each issue in the larger debate.
The Skills Act will be introduced before a bipartisan group of eight House members puts forward comprehensive immigration reform legislation, which will also cover modified rules for high-skilled workers. After months of secret negotiations, the bipartisan group reached an "agreement in principle" on legislation last week and its members are furiously working to finalize bill text.
The two separate bills have made tech companies question which piece of legislation will be put to a vote on the floor.
A draft copy of Issa's measure shows it would significantly increase the number of H-1B visas available to highly skilled workers and make 55,000 green cards available to foreign graduates of U.S. universities with advanced degrees in STEM disciples (science, technology, math and engineering). It would also increase the fees that employers would pay for H-1B visas and green cards, and the additional money would go towards a fund dedicated to improving STEM education funds in the U.S.
However, Democrats may find fault with Issa's bill because it proposes to eliminate the diversity visa program. The Congressional Black Caucus and House Democrats have pushed back against previous attempts to cut the program, which awards visas by a random selection process to countries with low rates of immigration to the U.S.
To Jonty Rhodes
I watched a recording of the hearing yesterday and it was not as negative as the headline might suggest. There is definitely more enthusiasm to be expected on the Democratic side than on the GOP. Apart from the usual immigration hawks-some GOP members of the Committee especially Spencer Bachus of Alabama were more receptive and reasonable. However the GOP has a 6 member majority in the House Judiciary Committee and we will need more help from the GOP members to get amendments through.
This from the CSM today
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...entryLeadStory
There was another hearing which did not get much attention in the drama surrounding the Senate proceedings and will need to be watched carefully.This is the fight for the agricultural workers
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...entryLeadStory
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...tion-bill.html
What I have been able to learn so far about the House High-Tech Bill introduced this AM by Reps.Issa & Goodlatte
http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/23/con...ntribute-here/
The text of the Bill is here
http://www.scribd.com/doc/143131145/The-SKILLS-Visa-Act
The total number of immigrant visas increases to 235000 by absorbing the eliminated DV lottery and FB sibling category. There is an extra 25000 visas for spouses and children. I am unable to clearly understand the country cap requirements on Page 52 and 53 as I am still at work and do not have the time to compare with the INA
PS-Saw this tweet on Rep.Issa's virtual chat which confirms the removal of per-country cap
"the #SKILLSVisa Act eliminates the per-country caps. Provides fairness by individual, not by country"
The text of the Bill is also here http://judiciary.house.gov/news/2013/ISSA_058_xml.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Thanks Spec
More info here
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...iversity-visas
Some highlights
1.green cards would first be made available to foreign graduates with Ph.D.s from American universities in the so-called STEM fields (science, technology, engineering and math). Any remaining green cards would go to graduates with master's degrees in those technical disciplines.
2. Increases the H-1B visa cap to 155,000 from the existing cap of 65,000.
3. It would also increase the number of visas set aside for foreign graduates with advanced degrees from American universities that are exempt from the visa cap. The bill would boost that number to 40,000 visas from the existing limit of 20,000.
4.It would authorize spouses of green card holders to work in the U.S ( I think they mean H-1B visa holders and not Green card holders)
5.Eliminate the per-country cap for employment-based visas.
6.Set aside 10,000 green cards for entrepreneurs who have secured at least $500,000 from a venture capital firm or at least $100,000 from an angel investor.
A couple of tweets
"It's all good," says Raul Labrador in House #immigration agreement. But others decline comment as they leave meeting.
Eric cantor-The House remains committed to fixing our broken immigration system, but we will not simply take up and accept the bill from the Senate.
House Speaker John Boehner promised Thursday that the House would pass its own version of immigration reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...m-will-happen/
It means House will pass EB reforms legislation (most likely ex all or some of FB).
Quote:
Originally Posted by vedu
This is further confirmation of above posts.And unlike previous claims-it appears like all the House Senior Leadership members and Judiciary committee members are on the same page
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...medium=twitter
I found 2 articles with quotes from Mr.Boehner & Ms.Pelosi indicating house passage of legislation and possible conferencing in August
http://www.rollcall.com/news/house_i...-225114-1.html
"She (Ms.Pelosi)told reporters she is hopeful a bill can move to conference with the Senate before the August recess."
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/2...-resolves.html
"Officials said Boehner has privately said he hopes to have a bill through the House by August, though there is no strategy yet on what it would include"
I'll believe it when I see a draft bill firstQuote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Senate bill seems much better than this one because I do not see following things.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
1) Recapture
2) Not counting dependents
3) Not counting EB1 and some EB2 people against quota
3) Early filing of 485
To viz
This might help to cement your skepticism
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...lks-91849.html
Excellent rebuttal of K Palinkas of USCIS Union:
http://blog.cyrusmehta.com/
Good one !Quote:
Originally Posted by kkruna
This site many times comes up with powerful and well thought about articles.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...-senator-says/
Sen. Menendez: 'Immigration reform bill lacks enough votes'
Sen. Hatch: 'I will add more amendments later'
Spk. Boehner: 'House will work it's will'
Hope they come to a settlement soon!
The only reason I post this link is because Senator Heller may be a possible yes vote.He already has a stake in the legislation due to the High-tech provisions
http://m.reviewjournal.com/opinion/b...#disqus_thread
When would the CIR bill be taken up in Senate floor?
Looking at the Senate calendar, the work days are: July 1- July 5 (except July 4th); Aug 1 - Sep 6 (except Sep 2); Oct 14-18;
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/leg...3_schedule.htm
The earliest this would take up for vote would be in August '13 ...
To seahawks
The Senate will start on June 10th according to Sen.Reid's spokesman and will be voted on before July 4
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tion-bill.html
The House is a different story as they will only unveil their package at around the time the Senate starts floor proceedings. They will then start hearings/markups/amendments/reporting etc and I am not quite sure that Ms.Pelosi's optimism is justified
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/2...losi-says.html
[QUOTE=gs1968;35622]To seahawks
The Senate will start on June 10th according to Sen.Reid's spokesman and will be voted on before July 4
It almost certainly might pass senate.
The House is a different story as they will only unveil their package at around the time the Senate starts floor proceedings. They will then start hearings/markups/amendments/reporting etc and I am not quite sure that Ms.Pelosi's optimism is justified
Boehner will not take S 744 , he will introduce "House gang of 8" bill, it might not be voted upon until the end of the year an chances of passing are far less than senate as there will be republican primaries and almost all republicans will not vote for amnesty.
You can call me pessimist or realist, the Odds of CIR becoming law are less than 10%.
I have attended meeting with congressman on behalf of ** and have been actively involved in lobbying for a while.
Politicians always sound optimistic to raise money and to appease base. The speaker and committee both will try their best to kill the bill by dragging it and putting poison amendments which democrats find unacceptable., its far easy to kill a bill rather than to passQuote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Are you being pessimist based on your recent meetings or the ones you had in the past ?Quote:
Originally Posted by indiani
Maybe just some reason for a little bit of optimism....
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
I will ask another counter question for this.. Why this so called democrats want same sex marriage and Illegal immigration and a big comprehensive bill. If at all the bill fails in congress it would be the above two reasons.. They can very well fix the Legal immigration the political climate is always good for that.. Democrats made Legal immigration hostage for their selfishness and vice versa about republicans...Quote:
Originally Posted by indiani
So moral of the story is Politicians do not want to solve the issue. They want the issue always lingering.. so that they can make advantage for their benefits.. (Lobby money.. or Farmhouse in Texas)
met our congressman along with few other guys from the lobbying group, he isn't interested in anything that has citizenship for illegals, he is OK for everything else and u know that obama will veto anything that doesn't have pathway to citizenship and harry reid won't bring to voting anything wihtout citizenship clause but that just one congressman from Red districtQuote:
Originally Posted by gcq
Illegal immigrants belong to lower socio economic status so when they become citizens vast majority will vote Dem, also the latinos will like to have significant portion of the voting block so they like people of their ethnic group become citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by immitime
I am from india but personally i do not like people who belong to my race or anyother race who came here get citizenship in 13 yrs when I MAY get in 20 years if I am lucky
i generally agree with what you said. I will add one thing though. If you give someone a RPI status without a path to citizenship, that is wrong. It would be like being on a permanent H1B. I don't really care about the timeline to become citizens. Senate said 13, House says 15 yrs...to me it doesn't matter as long as all legals get there first.Quote:
Originally Posted by indiani
Purely based on the logic of the bill, no illegal will get permanent residency before a legal. Ergo no illegal will get citizenship before a legal. Plus the Senate bill makes it 3 yrs rather than 5 yrs post GC to apply for citizenship (assuming you've been in the US for 10 yrs).
If The President really wants this bill to be passed. He should now take leadership and have compromise between the two parties, as bipartisan. He will never do that because his party cannot blame the other party if the bill passes. So intention is visible as DAYLIGHT! Just for votes and selfishness lot of families suffers.Quote:
Originally Posted by indiani
When people are getting citizenship within 6 yeras what to talk about 13 years... Immigration should be only FIFO... otherthings can be considered later, and they should not tie immigration with employers. This is only one view point which I favour. Opinions can be different for different people.
The last I checked - that's how politics is supposed to work - groups of people exacting their influence on political parties.
Instead of blaming latinos or any other immigrant groups - EB immigrants should unite and exercise their power. If we get into the mentality of blaming XYZ for their luck then its a slippery slope that then pits EB1 against EB2 vs EB3 & Indians vs ROW vs Chinese... and US graduates vs non-US graduates. And physicians vs IT folks. And then within IT infosys vs qualcomm vs google --- debate.
Folks there is no end to it. Be happy for others and work towards your own happiness without blaming others.
Quote:
Originally Posted by indiani
Visa recapture bill died few yrs ago even though it would have granted GC to many EB esp from India, all of them highly educated non-criminal tax paying people. not many people or politicians in this country cared.Quote:
Originally Posted by immitime
But suddenly 11 million people some of whom have questionable jobs and whatever federal taxes they pay is extremely low compared with the resources they consume by having dozen kids all of whom will be on medicaid, food stamps and go to public schools, all 11 million getting ciitzenship with burden of paying EXORBIANT 2000$ fine is human rights issue and they dont want to get anything less than citizenship.
Lot of us waiting for GC 13+ yrs will be happy with just GC..
One congressman doesn't decide the issue. It is the majority that matters. I have been a constituent of an anti-immigrant congressman who is against all kind of immigration who also voted against HR 3012. I have also been a constituent of pro-legal immigration congressman who has pretty much co-sponsored all our bills. IMO your congressman's opinion alone doesn't count. If you were a constituent of Steve King, you will see no chance of immigration reform for the next 1000 years. Fortunately democracy works on majority. So there is hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by indiani
Q, i have donated several hundrerds of my after tax money for lobbying and have spent several hours personally and also requesting all my relatives and friends to lobby for CIR many of whom already have GC.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
I was expressing my opinion, however I have spend so many pain staking hrs lobbying even though CIR might not impact me personally with 2007 PD in EB2I