Did durbin speak under "General Speeches" ?
Sen Mike Enzi seems to be speaking under "General Speeches".
There doesn't seem to be a DREAM act for the current congress. The latest DREAM act I found on thomas.gov
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.729:
Thanks for information. What this all means for HR3012 (high level?), if anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanmani
I really dont know at this point of time. Just watching daily to find if Senator Grassley has anything to say. He is promptly attending the floor proceedings as per schedule, atleast giving two speeches daily, nothing related to 3012.
Currently Senate is dealing with tax cut extension , no agreement is reached.
I am Just waiting to hear the news , that Mr. Grassley removed the hold (or) the bill scheduled for debate. I wrote him a letter including my story through his website .
IF every one can do that . He may at-least let it go to debate with amendments.
Why do you want it to go "with amendments" into "debate". I want this to pass with no amendments and no debate just the way it passed in house.Quote:
Originally Posted by letheQ
Thanks for all your effort to keep this forum up to date with all this info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanmani
I don't know what to make out this,,,I saw few commercials in one hour by FAIR against immigration and someone else here mentioned it too the other day about Fair's ad on CNN,, is it possible dems/congress talking about a big move on immigration in near future? i wonder if anyone ** knows about itQuote:
Originally Posted by suninphx
Yeap...dont know coincedence or what ...it looks that way :) ....
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Originally Posted by Kanmani
Yup, reported by miamiherald/kansascity/washington post etc...there is a new bill called "the startup act" or jobs bill - bi-partisan will be introduced soon,Moran and Warner hope to create a new visa class for up to 50,000 foreign students who earned graduate degrees from American universities in science, technology, engineering or math. It also envisions a visa for up to 75,000 immigrant entrepreneurs who earned technical degrees in the United States and who create businesses that employ Americans...etc..,The lawmakers partnered with the president’s Council on Jobs and the Kauffman Foundation to introduce the proposal.,,Quote:
Originally Posted by jackbrown_890
and that could be the reason FAIRus has been advertising a lot in last 2-3 days opposing even legal immigration...
here is the link to the main points of the bill ,,check section 8 & 9
http://moran.senate.gov/public/index...9-186d6580dab8
It is a bi-partisan bill.. so lets see what happens in next few days...
Let us all keep hope and work for bringing up h.r.3012 in the senate. It is a tough job, but not impossible. Cheer up guys.
Even ants can wear out a rock with persistence. We can achieve too. Let us keep knocking the senator's offices thru all possible means.
So we are all caught up in the excitement of the Jan VB. HR-3012 should remain the focus though. Nothing much has happened recently. I came across this article at Lexology, which is a decently popular site. Among the usual crap, it has the following sentence:
The emphasis on "once" is mine, to contrast that there is no "if" there.Quote:
The President is expected to sign the bill once it passes the Senate.
Everyone - please continue working for HR-3012. Right now the best thing you can do is call your Senator's office - so please do so.
Link to the article: http://www.lexology.com/library/deta...d-2522b144360a
Now Mike Lee & Schumer is co sopnsor of AGREE act. Looks like HR 3012 will pass senate soon.
Now Mike Lee & Schumer is co sopnsor of AGREE act. Looks like HR 3012 will pass senate soon.
I totally agree with you. I am a physician under EB2I. I am supporting HR 3012 and I will keep supporting it irrespective of my green card status.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportsfan33
My support is based on my belief that country quota in employment category is unfair and should be removed.
Also, I have many friends in EB3I who had Masters from US universities but their GCs were filed in EB3 because their companies did not want to file in EB2 and also EB3I was not that bad few years ago. Now, they all are stuck. Some of them did port to EB2 successfully and got their GCs. Others tried to port but failed. For many more, porting is not possible due to various reasons.
I have many friends from EB2ROW and I honestly don't try to breath down their neck asking them to support HR 3012. They are opposing it and they are free to do it. I will support it and we are free to do it. They will still be my friends regardless of HR 3012 becomes a law or not.
Having said that, we may see some support fading away from EB2I mainly because many have got current with the January 2012 visa bulletin as they will be occupied filing their documents and getting their physicals and vaccinations done.
However, EB2I still needs HR 3012. With this kind of large movements in EB2 India and China, retrogression is inevitable and looming over. Yes, larger demand destruction seems to have influenced this huge movement to some extent. But I am certain that the dates will retrogress and will be stalled for sometime (at least for the rest of the FY2012). So, EB2I should not get too high and start flying because this movement is transitional and not permanent.
Anybody who files in EB2I today will still have a wait time of at least 4 years and that has been pretty consistent. Moreover, EB2I is completely spill-over dependent so in future, if the demand destruction is less and if the spill-over is low from EB1, EB4, EB5 and EB2ROW then basically EB2I backlog is going to grow for sure.
To conclude, I would say that EB2I still needs HR 3012. It is true that EB3I needs it much more than EB2I. But in the end, we all have to work together and support the bill.
Because , I want to see some movement in H.R.3012 . I am confident that the amendments(if) will be defeated by other senators and the voting will result in our Favor .Quote:
Originally Posted by gcq
I see that now AGREE act has 9 co-sponsors...
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Originally Posted by lalaji
Agree ACT , Start up ACT, STAPLE ACT lot many pending in the queue . I guess the congressmen should focus passing something than introducing new ACT's every Month/Quarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by lalaji
With all due respect, I dont agree with your statement that the support from EB2 I will fade away as they get current. I am EB2 I and got current today, but I am still supporting this bill the same way as I was doing yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonty Rhodes
We need this bill to eliminate the in-justice (dis-crimination) we have faced for so many years and this is the best/closest opportunity we have ever got.
Well - life takes over you know - however much you might want to - the sense of urgency is no longer there. It is great if people who become current continue to be active and supportive - but I am not going to be too surprised if that does not happen to the extent you are expecting.
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Originally Posted by la_2002_ch
Also no reason to stop support as its still going to take time to get GCs...EADs are great but are not GCs (so dont count towards the 5 years required for naturalization etc)...
Sorry for not specifying. What I meant to say that the support may fade away temporarily as there are many in EB2I who got current and will be busy filing their documents and getting their physicals and vaccinations done. I did not mean to say that EB2I who got current will just stop supporting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by la_2002_ch
I guess, I should have been more specific while saying this. I just wanted to say that temporarily, one may see a drop in support in terms of taking actions like signing online petitions, calling senators, distributing flyers, involving other friends etc. I am not talking about the drop in overall support per say but just a temporary drop in support in terms of doing some ground action and that is also just a possibility, not a gospel truth.
I agree, this is the best chance we have got so far in last 11 years and we should not let it go.
I do not think for a bill which has overwhelming majority support in Congress, the Senators will not let it go, why because election year and bipartisan bill. we may have to wait until next week for further info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonty Rhodes
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Originally Posted by Jonty Rhodes
OK, now that I understand what you mean to say, I agree with you.
The Oh Law Firm reports as below.
12/10/2011: Irish E-3 Nonimmigrant Visa Bill Scheduled to be Introduced in the Senate Tuesday, 12/13/2011
http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html
We reported earlier that Irish community had been lobbying to introduce this bill as an amendment to H.R. 3012. However sources of information indicate that two powerful Democrat Senators of Chuck Schumer, Chairman of Senate Judiciary Immigration Subcommittee and Dick Durbin, Senate Manority Whip, are scheduled to co-sponsor and introduce this bill in the Senate on Tuesday. Considering the fact that H.R. 3012 bill is on hold, it is likely that the bill may be introduced as a separate bill. This may be considered an interesting turn of event. For the development of this news, please stay tuned to this website.
2/10/2011: Irish E-3 Nonimmigrant Visa Bill Scheduled to be Introduced in the Senate Tuesday, 12/13/2011
http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html
Don't quite understand what Ohio Law firm is saying. Are they saying that a new bill will be introduced by these two democratic congressmen. And that in this bill beside the Irish E-3 agenda... provisions of HR3012 will also be included?
Examiner reports, Senator schumer set to introduce H R 3012 with an amendment for Irish E3 visas. If this is introduced with amendment, not sure about the fate of this Bill.
http://www.examiner.com/immigration-...-to-help-irish
No,Schumer going to introduce new bill for E3.
Schumer is going to introduce a new bill for Irish. This is not an amendment to HR 3012.
Personally, I find it ridiculous that Irish are asking for this bill because they fear that HR 3012, if passed by Senate, will take away GCs from them and award it to Indian, Chinese, Mexican and Filipinos. If this E3 bill passes, then any other country with reasonable amount of immigration to US may want to ask for a separate bill in future.
So basically, if I have to wait longer in a line on a first come first serve basis, I will ask the authority to form a new line for me where no one can come. What a great logic.
We know that this may not happen at least for a while, but actually, going by this logic of Irish, India and China should definitely ask for two separate immigration bills which only deal with India and China exclusively. No one else comes in their line. Indian and Chinese do not have strong lobbies on Capitol Hill and that is what we definitely need. This just shows us how strong the Irish lobby is when it comes to these kind of things.
IMO all these new immigration bills popping up everywhere is because of the confidence generated by the passage of HR3012. For a while nobody dared to touch immigration issue. As HR3012 was carefully crafted to gain widespread support, it sailed through house. Looking at its smooth sail, pro-immigrant groups have gained a false sense of optimism that any immigration bill will sail through in this climate. However reality is very different.
I found below in the comments section of a WSJ article. Credit to Janak Raguraman (commenter). This is a well written, well reasoned argument in support of HR-3012:
Link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...abs%3DcommentsQuote:
Walk into a top ranked university (Stanford, MIT, Berkeley ...you name it), and try and count the number of Indian and Chinese graduate students there as a percentage of the total student body.
You'll see that over 50 % of the students graduating with advanced degrees in the country are from India and China. A overwhelming majority of these students are on scholarships.
Universities give them scholarships not because they have an agenda to increase immigration, but because they are impressed with the talent and rigor these students bring to their universities.
How useful would it be to America if students from India and China got educated on US tax payer money, and then left the country out of frustration for the immigration system? I know of multiple friends who have returned to India and China after their graduate studies. They now run companies abroad..and they are competing against the US. In essence, the American tax payer has helped another country compete against Americans.
The H1b system is not perfect. There is most probably some fraudulent cases, but this is NOT rampant. There is probably far greater fraud in the Diversity immigrant or family immigrant VISA, for which there is absolutely no education or qualification level required.
HR3012 is a much needed fix to the system because it incentivizes Indian and Chinese born students to remain in this country, live up to their real potential, and go entrepreneurial. The current system forces them to consider alternatives.
Does America want smart, enterprising folks to remain in this country or does it want to force these extremely talented individuals to go back and compete again the country that spent $200,000 educating them?
yes this is the most sensible reasoning I have seen so far for HR 3012.
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Originally Posted by imdeng
A news link validating this theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcq
http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...12/v_visa.html
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The bipartisan and overwhelming support with which the Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act passed last week may signal an opportunity to move the dialogue away from state vigilante enforcement and federal inaction and toward bipartisan agreement and concrete solutions. As Congress revisits the per-country limitations with H.R. 3012, now is an opportune time to also reauthorize this important family reunification tool without a sunset provision.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/art...al-immigration
Please send letters to Sen. Grassley Quoting this article and urging him to remove his hold on HR 3012
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Forty-one percent of those surveyed favored increased opportunities for legal immigrants to enter the U.S. workforce, and another 29 percent could live with it. Fully 73 percent of respondents were open to allowing foreign-born students to go to work in the U.S. after graduation.
An even larger majority —79 percent — favored or could live with streamlining the processes for businesses to hire immigrants for seasonal and full-time jobs that Americans aren’t taking.
“I welcome the Coalition of Irish Immigration Centers’ video conference call on Tuesday,” Lawless said. “The fact that the bill is being held up in the Senate by the ranking Republican of the Senate Judiciary Senator Grassley gives us Irish an opportunity to collectively rally our legislative contacts to strongly advocate the Senate to amend HR 3012 by adding legislation to apply the E-3 Visa to Irish Nationals.”
As Lawless said in his statement "strongly advocate the Senate to amend HR 3012.....etc.
If there is an amendment to 3012...that means there will be some action on 3012
and there is a possibility of new separate bill too but
reported by RTE news "Charles Grassley from Iowa, who has just confirmed to RTÉ News that he will oppose the legislation."
This is really strange that H.R.3012 is to eliminate country cap at the same time they need to amend it with E-3 Irish Quota.(along with pardon for undocumented). This is going to be a Joke if this is discussed in Senate, I am sure that E-3 Irish will be voted down, No sane person will support this bill with amendment for Irish(special quota), like in Congress they tried to amend it with Zoe Lofgren's Visa recapture and Rep Steve Kings agenda.. of eliminating EB3Quote:
Originally Posted by jackbrown_890
Schumer’s bill would introduce the same House bill that passed two weeks ago in the senate with the E3 visas added. : it seems like they are talking about 3012
In the senate Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa has stated that he will oppose the original bill and not allow it expedited passage but there is mounting pressure on the Iowa Republican to let it pass. If this is true that means, there is some hope for 3012
Schumer stated that if the bill did not pass he would work on a different bill for next years’ legislative session that would help the Irish. not good for us..this means a delay for the passage of 3012 (or dead)
Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Sen...#ixzz1gRZ16Jbk
apparently they are talking about separate E-3 visas for Irish, and surprisingly they do have e-3 visas with less stringent requirements thn h1 for Australians (10,000) this is not Eb-3 green cards...Quote:
Originally Posted by immitime
this is e-3 work visa for Irish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_visa
it seems like Irish sites are saying it will be introduced later today, so If anyone is watching C-span senate,,or if hear anything about this in d senate, please post it here ASAP..
thank you
Thanks Jackbrown for clarification, so E-3 Visa, still I will be surprised if Grassley agrees for 10000 more visas, We need to wait for the real scene soon. If not January :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by jackbrown_890