Jack, that is good news. I can see a lot of momentum towards eliminating EB per country cap. Hopefully one of these many bills becomes a law.
Good luck to everybody. Hope you don't have to wait as long as I had to.
Jack, that is good news. I can see a lot of momentum towards eliminating EB per country cap. Hopefully one of these many bills becomes a law.
Good luck to everybody. Hope you don't have to wait as long as I had to.
Another argument for removing country quota:
China and India form the largest percentage of foreign students in US universities.
http://www.universityworldnews.com/a...11118150938606
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2...ogle_news_blog
It seems like people do want to take some action. i think someone said he/she is going to draft a letter. Munnabhai listed few good points to be included in the letter.
Let us know when it is ready.
There is a link to opencongress in this thread somewhere. but i am reposting it.
First step is to Support and Send a letter thru open congress to your area congressman. If you have not done it, please go to the link below and support it and also send a letter. You can make your letter private if you want, so no one can see it. But just go there and support the bill with a letter.
Senate bill has only little over 100 supporters so far. House bill has close to 1000. But that is also not enough. We need to make both numbers close to 10,000 (with emails/letters) Someone mentioned we need support of our Chinese brothers and sisters.. so lets find out where they are and flood congress with phone calls/emails/letters. they were really helpful (before any of the bills were introduced) with by signing that petition "retain skilled immigrants". I don't some guy from Chinese community posted a link to some website and we had like 3000 emails sent to congress in one weekend. as someone else said earlier that we need to find them again to gather support for actual bills.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1857/show
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3012/show
What is the significance of CBO estimate on a bill ? I assume it is just a formality that every bill has to go through.
Well, i think, there are people who (specially republicans) doesn't want anymore government spending since in last few years they have spent a lot of money. Its not news that CBO estimate says there is not cost. But just confirmation of No cost from CBO mean one less hurdle. Since any bill costing govenment will have hard time passing right now, specially when they are trying to cut budget by 1.2 trillion.Quote:
Originally Posted by gcq
H.R.3012 reported to the full house on 11/18/2011 Report No.House Report 112-292 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquer...p112&&refer=&&
Great newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kanmani
thanks kanmani for posting it
.,,lets follow house calendar and see when it shows up on d calendar..as soon as it shows up on calendar, lets push big on our advocacy efforts..
Great news, Kanmani.
I hope this bill passes the house vote smoothly which has more than 400 members. The other good thing I feel about this bill is that ROWers are not really organized in opposing it. In fact, most of them don't even know whether this kind of bill exist. I hope that most of the opposition that is coming remains limited to the forums. The opposition would become threat if it materializes in to contacting Congressmen persuading them to oppose it. But in my opinion, till now, things don't look really bad.
I am keeping my fingers crossed. In fact, I am crossing everything I can.
Two more co-sponsors for HR 3012.
Rep. Jesse Jackson (D-IL)
Rep. Glenn Thompson (R-PA)
There are total 8 co-sponsors now for this bill.
Also, found this message on ** regarding HR 3012. Looks like they are really utilizing the backdoor channels.
At this time there is just one public action item mentioned on the first post of this thread. Pls make sure you are part of it.
Lot of work is going on that cannot be made public for obvious reasons. We all want the bill to pass ASAP.
Get more friends involved. Spread the word for more participation in the absence of new action items.
I just wrote an email to Eric Cantor and included a list of main points and benefits of 3012. I stressed on the fact that it is bi-partisan bill.
In my understanding this bill has no cost to it will be in House Calendar not in Union calendar or any other calendar and it looks like there are still 12 working days left in 2011 in house calendar so i think we should contact Eric Cantor since he is the one managing the activities of House Calendar.
Here is the link to Eric Cantor's contact form: If you have 2 minutes of time, just fill out the contact form and mention your support to this bill in main body and include some of the points mentioned here earlier by few people here on this thread.
Here is the link to his Contact page: http://www.majorityleader.gov/contact/contact.html
Good luck and thank you
Done. Thanks for the link jackbrown. This task IS important.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackbrown_890
My mail included summary from my previous message on this thread. It was basically:
1. Thank you for your time.
2. Request you to expedite in bringing this bill to the table and support this bill.
3. Does not increase work visas.
4. Does not address the contentious issue of Illegal Immigration.
5. Being supported by both sides of the aisle, so proves that the House of Reps. is still doing its best by taking small steps forward to do the right thing for the country and its economy.
6. Does not change immigrant diversity.
7. Lastly, it alleviates the suffering of many highly qualified, English speaking, tax paying, professionals, whose only "crime" was that they were born in India or China.
Folks, don't just sit there and attempt to answer the question: "How helpful will this ever be?". Even Master Yoda won't have an answer for that. Just do it - http://www.majorityleader.gov/contact/contact.html
Three more co-sponsers making the count 11 now.
Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 11/18/2011
Rep Flake, Jeff [AZ-6] - 11/18/2011
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. [NY-14] - 11/18/2011
One more Question.. It says the bill is placed on the union calander What does this mean exactly?
11/18/2011 Reported (Amended) by the Committee on Judiciary. H. Rept. 112-292.
11/18/2011 Placed on the Union Calendar, Calendar No. 193.
Union Calendar
The rules of the House provide that there shall be:
•A Calendar of the Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, to which shall be referred public bills and public resolutions raising revenue, involving a tax or charge on the people, directly or indirectly making appropriations of money or property or requiring such appropriations to be made, authorizing payments out of appropriations already made, releasing any liability to the United States for money or property, or referring a claim to the Court of Claims.
The large majority of public bills and resolutions reported to the House are placed on the Union Calendar. For a discussion of the Committee of the Whole House, see Part X.
Read Further
http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/How...Union_Calendar
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So i was wrong. It does not have any cost but this bill may raise revenue so i am guessing thats why it is placed under Union Calendar.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CCAL-11...12hcal-pt2.htm
Guys,
I met with my Congressman this morning and the meeting went very well. I would recommend to everyone to schedule meetings with your representatives. They should all be in their district offices this week.
Pedro, Thanks for the update. Did you meet directly with your Representative or did you meet with a staffer? I am unable to meet my Rep. or the staffer. Quite frustrating honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales
Met with the Rep this time. Didn't last more than 5 minutes, but it was positive. This was my third visit btw, I met with staffers both previous trips, although the Congressman was in the district both of those times (and in the office at least once). I think i got to meet the Congressman this time because my last meeting with the staffer went well. My district isn't very populous (or rather its spread out because of its relative population density) so the Congressman's office wasn't very busy on any of my visits. I would expect it would be tougher if you live in a large city.Quote:
Originally Posted by kd2008
Committee of the Whole House info:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/lawsmade....ion.html#whole
Quote:
Committee of the Whole House
In order to expedite the consideration of bills and resolutions, the rules of the House provide for a parliamentary mechanism, known as the Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union, that enables the House to act with a quorum of less than the requisite majority of the entire House. A quorum in the Committee of the Whole is 100 members. All measures on the Union Calendar- those involving a tax, making appropriations, authorizing payments out of appropriations already made, or disposing of property- must be first considered in the Committee of the Whole.
The Committee on Rules reports a rule allowing for immediate consideration of a measure by the Committee of the Whole. After adoption of the rule by the House, the Speaker may declare the House resolved into the Committee of the Whole. When the House resolves into the Committee of the Whole, the Speaker leaves the chair after appointing a Chairman to preside.
The rule referred to in the preceding paragraph also fixes the length of the debate in the Committee of the Whole. This may vary according to the importance of the measure. As provided in the rule, the control of the time is usually divided equally between the chairman and the ranking minority member of the relevant committee. Members seeking to speak for or against the measure may arrange in advance with the Member in control of the time on their respective side to be allowed a certain amount of time in the debate. Members may also ask the Member speaking at the time to yield to them for a question or a brief statement. A transcript of the proceedings in the House and the Senate is printed daily in the Congressional Record. Frequently, permission is granted a Member by unanimous consent to revise and extend his remarks in the Congressional Record if sufficient time to make a lengthy oral statement is not available during actual debate. These revisions and extensions are printed in a distinctive type and cannot substantively alter the verbatim transcript.
The conduct of the debate is governed principally by the rules of the House that are adopted at the opening of each Congress. In the 106th Congress, the rules were recodified for simplification and clarity. Jefferson's Manual, prepared by Thomas Jefferson for his own guidance as President of the Senate from 1797 to 1801, is another recognized authority. The House has a long-standing rule that the provisions of Jefferson's Manual should govern the House in all applicable cases and where they are not inconsistent with the rules of the House. Most parliamentary questions arising during the course of debate are responded to by a ruling based on a precedent in a similar situation. The Parliamentarian of the House is present in the House Chamber in order to assist the Speaker or the Chairman in making a correct ruling on parliamentary questions.
Hi,
based on the recent trends on this bill, how many more steps are there to become this as a law ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by kd2008
There are quite many steps. Don't get discouraged. That is why advocacy is hard. Moreover, as the bill moves forward, the opposition gets more vocal. Other issues like deficit reduction may get more attention etc. So please contact your Congressperson and try to convince them to vote for this bill. Let them know this is important and must be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by EB2Jun08
HR 3012 update:
9/22/2011: Referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary.
9/23/2011: Referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement.
10/27/2011: Committee Consideration and Mark-up Session Held.
10/27/2011: Ordered to be Reported (Amended) by Voice Vote.
11/17/2011: Congressional Budget Office highlights there is no impact of HR 3012 on budgets. Source: CBO link
11/18/2011 1:37pm: Reported (Amended) by the Committee on Judiciary. H. Rept. 112-292 - click here to see complete report/bill with latest ammendments..
11/18/2011 1:38pm: Placed on the Union Calendar, Calendar No. 193. From Wiki: The Union Calendar is a separate calendar in the United States House of Representatives that schedules bills involving money issues. Source: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...12hr3012rh.pdf
Keep your fingers crossed. I am still trying to understand what it really means by putting on the Union Calendar, but intuitively it is some progress. Just hope that this congress ends up passing this bill (anything, for that matter...this political gridlock is not helping the US).
Do we have some Guru who can enlighten us on different steps for passing of bill in U.S. congress ? My knowledge is limited and all I know is that a bill can be proposed in either House or Senate and the same has to be passed by Senate/House.
Quote:
Originally Posted by self.coach
I am not aware of the process either. BUt per the belwo link, The status is:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3012
Status:
Occurred: Introduced Sep 22, 2011
Occurred: Referred to Committee View Committee Assignments
Occurred: Reported by Committee Oct 27, 2011
Not Yet Occurred: House Vote ...
Not Yet Occurred: Senate Vote ...
Not Yet Occurred: Signed by President ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by evoori
FWIW, Immigration Voice dot org has a good faq about this. Search on that site or google : "How a Bill becomes law": Image below
http://armine.pbworks.com/f/1272296003/howlaw.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by evoori
Excellent link leo.. thanks.
I guess it is in the "Calendared" phase right now..really boils down to the vote. The most recent vote was 6 to 23 against the bill, if you see Page 5 of this bill. Now what was defeated was not the entire bill but part of it, as it says in the attachment:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-11...112hrpt292.pdfQuote:
the Committee advises that the following
roll call vote occurred during the Committee’s consideration of H.R.
3012.
1. An amendment by Mr. King that would have removed the
bill’s increase in the family-sponsored immigrant visa per-country
cap was defeated by a vote of 6 to 23.
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Originally Posted by leo07