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Thanks for clarifying that..
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Someone also asked for this. I have posted it on a separate thread at http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...=7358#post7358
I have also moved all congratulatory comments and responses so as to not create distraction from this thread.
Nishant we must also consider a few more - pessimistic ones - though.
They realize SO more, can't build pipeline, visas get wasted.
They realize SO less than 10K, don't need to build pipeline. (This could happen when EB1 and ROW's contribution is zero or even negative.)
For both of these the probability is probably 5% each.
Welcome to forum! Thanks!
The date of labor listed is your PD. I would've said just call USCIS to confirm, but then I realized I-140 is not an application YOU made. This is the application that your company made. But if you are willing to take chances, call USCIS. Do you think your company will give you false information?
Recapture of PD on I140 after revocation
Seeking opinion from Gurus and experts.
I'm on 4th year on H1B I140 got approved through a consultant with PD jan2009, based on recent VB's this would get current in SEPT2014. If I move out, my employer will revoke my I140 due to the fact that they have to follow some best practices. I'm aware about recapturing I140 PD even after it gets revoked. - more details http://www.trackitt.com/forum/viewDi...page/last_page -
I'm thinking to get a permanent job by early 2012, even if they start GC processing after a year, I wouldn't loose anything as my PD get's current only in 2014, moreover who ever is the employer if they want me to work for them they have to do GC processing since I have visa for only 3 more years.
Now -- what are the chances of legislative solutions for the visa backlog ? Recently both parties are talking about highly skilled immigration reform, do they make it happen anytime soon by keeping CIR aside?
Hi Q...
thank you...i am able to login now :) yipee
Regardless legislative solution you should get your GC by 2014 as long as you retain your PD.
My understanding is that as long as 140 was approved at some point of time, the labor date sticks to you. So doesn't matter if 140 is revoked. You can carry the PD to next GC application.
Other folks pls correct if wrong.
Actually once a NPRM (proposed rule) is published in Federal Register, there is 60 days mandatory public comment period. Based on the feedback, agencies are free to publish the final rule anytime. So it all depends on how hard a agency is willing to push itself (or how hard the stakeholders can push the agency to finalize the rule). If the H1 immigrant community can organize and push USCIS, it is possible to have this regulation in effect year. This is a huge deal for EB2/3 IC folks (H1B) who are not able to file for I-485 due to backlog.
JJ... It is a billion zillion dollar question on everybdy's minds now a days... also keep in mind that the election yr is 2012 and that might be one of the reasons everyone is so mushi mushi abt legal immigration and all... No one can really answer your question directly, not even the highest authority...
also, i remind you not to make any life changing decisions basing on future legislative actions that may or may not happen at all.... In my experience, in this country only those immigrants have made it big... who have kept immigration and career separately... yes it can be done with planning... my take on this...
Hi Q / JJCalifornian,
I think this is a great question as I am not aware of this situation. I also have an approved I-140 and have been thinking to move out of USA and come back later and was not aware of the fact that we can use the old priority date. Is there a time limit attached to it i mean how long one can stay out of USA before restarting your GC process in order to retain the old priority date.
I do have a copy of my approved I-140 and not sure if something else is needed for this.
HI JJcalifornian,
The trackitt link provided by you is not working, i am not sure if we need to consult a lawyer in that case or is that something you have already done.
Thanks
Why do you think so?
From the rule:
"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) proposes to amend its regulations by extending the availability of employment authorization to H-4 dependent spouses of principal H-1B nonimmigrants who have begun the process of seeking lawful permanent resident (LPR) status through employment and have extended their authorized period of admission or "stay" in the U.S. under section 104(c) or 106(a) of Public Law 106-313, also known as the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act of 2000 (AC21). "
This for me means, people who have used AC21 to extend their H1B beyond 6 years (not necessarily they have filed for 485). FYI One of AC21's significant advantage was for people to extens H1B beyond 6 years, provided their I140 has been applied 1 year before completion of 6 years OR I140 is approved.
Source 1:
See point 1:
http://www.murthy.com/news/UDac21up.html
Source 2:
http://thevisabulletin.com/2008/01/7...scis-guidance/
Thank you for the update. Since the rule is on the "Proposed Rule Stage", i think it will be a while before it ever gets published as a rule - http://www.reginfo.gov/public/reginfo/Regmap/regmap.pdf
Maybe someone can email Kevin(kevin.bazaire@dhs.gov) from http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAg...&RIN=1615-AB92 about the progress on the rule.
I thought of that and also calling (202 272-8107).. but realized it may not do any good. These things go at their own pace. Better to leave it as it is and not draw any attention.. otherwise.. Anti immigration folks will start opposing this saying extra people with EADs.. loss of jobs...blah blah.
Thanks for the response.Quote:
The date of labor listed is your PD. I would've said just call USCIS to confirm, but then I realized I-140 is not an application YOU made. This is the application that your company made. But if you are willing to take chances, call USCIS. Do you think your company will give you false information?
Assuming the worst they may share false info, thats the reason I am trying to gather as much as I can. But chances are less, since I got a copy of the notice when I-140 was filed and I tracked the SRC number. Also now I got a complete set of six odd pages that have details of the I-140 when it was filed for me and the dependents. I was only checking how current the FLCDataCenter is and also ensuring that I have all info.
Another simple thing you can do is - track the status of 140 on USCIS's website. That will confirm approval or current status.
JJC I think the safest time to port PD is 6 months after filing 485.
Another safe thing is when you change jobs amicably and prior employer doesn't revoke 140.
The following case is GREY!
1. I-140 is approved
2. 485 not yet filed.
3. Employer withdraws I-140
4. You switch jobs and try to recapture PD
Grey because USCIS does say that PD will be retained unless 140 was withdrawn because of fraud or misrepresentation. However sometimes interpretation changes and you need a good lawyer not just with brains but skills to negotiate with USCIS on why PD should be retained.
Remember law as writtten or intended is FINALLY interpreted by mere mortals. And interpreting law in your or my favor is NOT their first priority!!!
Hi Q,
Thanks for your response, i agree with you it might or might not be possible to keep the old PD date if you just have a approved I-140. Things are straight forward if you have an approved I140 with 485 pending for more then 180 days.
So i guess in my case(have approved I140 and have not filed 485) it depends on my current employer, if they withdraw the I-140 then it can go either way once i re-start my GC with other employer at a later stage. I guess by law they are not required to withdraw the I140, i mean it is not the same as H1B since I140 is for future employment and company may retain the I140 for certain period, but again it depends on companies policy which may change over a period of time.
Thanks once again
skpanda,
You are correct. Section 104(c) of AC21 Act applies to folks who are beyond their normal 6 yrs H1B limit and cannot apply for adjustment of status (due to unavailable immigrant visa numbers). So this new rule should be helpful to lots of folks who are waiting to file for I-485.
Sure. Given that USCIS has now disallowed labor substitution, the employer has no use of the labor or 140 should the employee leave.
Plus the employer has to pay the lawyer to even withdraw 140. So generally if you leave amicably, you should expect to retain PD.
Even otherwise you could as I said but then its a matter of chance!
Hi Gurus,
I have one quick question. I don't have any documents or related information about my Green card process. My employer told me that it is company policy not provide any documents and information to employee. How can I get copies of my documents like approved I-140 and PERM ceritificate. Because first my employer told me that my PD is XX-XX-XXXX now he was saying different date. Now I am suspecting that he was started or not my GC. Let me know how can I get my documents from USCIS. I don't have any information about my GC process. I heared that we can submit G-639 form to get all information but in G-639 form they are asking petition cliam or receipt number and alien registration number. I don't have any information about that. Please let me know what exact information we need to provide to get my documents.
Thanks Gurus in advance for providing information.
Hello every one,
My priority date is 23rd sep 2007, EB2 india. Could anyone predict when could i file 485 & be greened???
Thanks,
Wisc...
Hi Wisc,
It is hard to predict but based on the figures posted by the senior members you might be able to file it somewhere between Q1-Q2/2012 and definitely before Sep 2012.
It all depends on the SOFAD which we will receive from Eb1 and Eb2 ROW which in turn is dependent on economy and other factors.
Hope this will help.
Thank you very much RRRRR..
Gurus Can we find out if there is a chance of Quarterly spillover.They have already taken one step by starting the spillover before Q4.
Thanks much Q,RR,Soggadu,
I agree to some part of it, I was trying to find the options for so long, if you consult a lawyer, in most cases they would say - yes, it's possible - and when you face the situation, things can go wrong, they can wash their hands by telling " Sorry I didn't think about it, oh I missed it blah blah" Here I see real experiences of people and one guy tried 5 times to recapture PD finally he got approved in 6th time. As Q said it depends on the lawyers ability and the service center you are requesting.
The pain, frustration, making $30-40K/yr less than market rate for years, makes me to think of taking the risk.Only thing if for some reason they changed the laws and open up for every one then I would be part of next PWMB.
Here I'm copying the trackitt link again http://www.trackitt.com/usa-discussi...aptured/page/1 or you can search the string
" i 140 approved but priority date was not recaptured" on trackitt
Sorry for taking you away from calculations, this thread is intended for...
My priority date is 12/12/2007 and I was very confident that I will be able to apply 485 latest by September 2012. Now after seeing the last bulletin and various statistics in this thread showing the backlog, it looks like I could be in the border of missing 2012 and wait for the following year 2013’s spillover season. Is that a fair assumption or being too pessimistic?
That certainly is pessimistic. But I wouldn't blame your pessimism given how you may have felt robbed off the same opportunty this year itelf.
Another thing to remember is that regardless when you file, the time to greencard doesn't get affected much when compared with people who are around your PD.
So e.g. people who missed 2007 boat are still getting their GCs immediate ly when they are able to file 485.
The major difference is that:
PWMB people didn't have EAD/AP in the past 4-5 years and EAD/AP means minimum to these PWMB folks.
The people who caught the bus of 2007, they have been enjoying the freedom and benefits for 4-5 years.
If MR.CO does not BTM, people after 2007 will not enjoy the benefits of EAD/AP too much because he will wait for the last moment to move VB.
EAD/AP will not benefit the folks after 2007.
Maybe CO is been provided with a new policy to contrain us folks as much as possible(akin to the H1 stamping model), in order to flush out H1 folks out of the country......I see it as a govt policy , CO is just the face of it.
H1 petition, Labor/140 --> less hurdles --> Funds to the govt
H1 stamping , EAD-->GC --> implement policy, block --> Less fees to be received.
I agree with this, especially if you look at the big way INS has come after contracting companies by finding all kind of loopholes in the H1 petition process. Big Co immigrants were screwed anyway when they do layoffs, which happens ever 3-4 years as part of the recession. So, if GC cycle is made 2+5 years(2 years before company files and 5 years it takes for approval), INS is pretty much making sure that very few from India, China survive the process. As compared to this people from Mongolia and Nepal get their GC in 1 year. No doubt debt is at $14 trillion.
Man, I understand your pain. I was one of the few lucky ones to barely made it during July 2007 fiasco. My labor was filed on 5/30/07. I had our HR check status of my labor everyday after DOS made all categories current.
My Labor status changed to certified at about 2:30pm on 8/15/07. It showed pending in the morning the same day. I called my lawyer and asked him if this gives us enough time to file I-140 and I-485 by 8/17/11. The lawyer stayed in his office until 9:00pm that night for me. He and I completed all the documents and I emailed those to my company's president for signature. My company's president signed the documents and personally carried them to my lawyer's office on 8/16/11 (this is significant because I am the the first and only person sponsored by my company so far and my company's president doesn't even fax any document himself). I work in a satellite office of my company in a different state. I sent my documents by FedEx same day delivery to my lawyer's office on 8/16/11. The lawyer assembled everything on 8/16/11 and overnighted the package to USCIS for 8/17/11 delivery.
My life has been significantly better since then. My wife has been working full time because she got an EAD and it has improved our financial condition quite a bit.
I personally think that if a person has an approved I-140, he or she should be issued an EAD no matter what. EAD has nothing to do with green card. USCIS can issue a green card when the priority date becomes current. Mean while the person can continue to work with EAD.
Be patient man - your day will come too...
Thanks Leo.