Guys,
I am new here. I see some folks like manubhai etc put forward some great suggestions.
However, is it not better that we coordinate things with the main organization (which cannot be named here) and pool our efforts and resources, so that we are not working at cross purposes?
Just a thought - there may be other issues I am not aware of.
it'll take SOFAD for FY12 back up to the 35K number + buffer if CO wants it. We could realistically see Dec 2008 getting current.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackbrown_890
Ok...will wait for ur reply...I was here for last few days...was just watching the thread everyday...:)
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Originally Posted by Kanmani
There were some calcs earlier in the thread separately by Spec and me. A move in FY2012 to Sep 2009, if I remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by mesan123
My best conservative guess if the bill become law by the end of next month: it will reach dec 08 by the end of fiscal year 2012. Probably early Jan 2009 by the end of fiscal year 2013 and probably mid to late 2010 by the end of fiscal year 2014. This also depends on the Spillover we get for next 3 years..Quote:
Originally Posted by mesan123
plus it also depends on other unknown factors like how much spillover will I/C and even other countries will get since few other countries will be not be current after a year or two..
there r few better calculations done on dat here,,please check them for better understanding
Different purposes. At the end of the day we all follow **'s action items because they are clear and concise. Many of us have met with congressmen/senators. Most of us have written letters, made calls, spread the word and recruited others, all of which are equally effective whether performed individually or as a part of **.Quote:
Originally Posted by helpful_leo
Also, this forum believes in transparency, so we focus on calculating the results of the legislation, trying to figure out what the next steps are, etc in an open manner. Rest assured, we're not working at cross purposes with **.
So as everyone said our next stop is senate:I think Here is something we should focus on:
The rules of procedure in the Senate differ to a large extent from those in the House. The Senate relies heavily on the practice of obtaining unanimous consent for actions to be taken. For example, at the time that a bill is reported, the Majority Leader may ask unanimous consent for the immediate consideration of the bill. If the bill is of a noncontroversial nature and there is no objection, the Senate may pass the bill with little or no debate and with only a brief explanation of its purpose and effect.
Few people have already said here about contacting Reid: my point is the same if we all pick a week and start calling senate members of our region and Harry Reid and ask Reid to ask for unanimous consent for the immediate consideration of the bill at the time of the bill s reported and if it passes, if i am not wrong, it will save us long wait of it going to a committee and subcommittee etc...
so let me know what you think and if you know more about this process of asking for unanimous consent at the time that bill is reported.
Kudos to all the people who contributed to this effort!! This will be a great step not just for EB2IC but most importantly for EB3IC when finally cleared by senate.
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Originally Posted by scion78
Thanks Pedro. That is helpful.
Look forward to some good discussions here on how to get this thru the Senate.
The fact that Democrats so overwhelmingly supported this in the House is good news, confirming their sensitivity to Hispanic opinion.
This is amazing. Does it have impact on priority date predictions?
That's very very conservative estimate IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
Any idea when this goes to senate?
Is it fair to assume that if this bill is cleared by the Senate, EB2-I/C PDs might will move even further than what we are expecting now? What will then be the common PDs for all EB2 folks; will it be somewhere around 2009? I think EB3-I PDs will also move past 2002 but the progress of EB3-ROW will slow down significantly.
H R 3012 - FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 860
29-Nov-2011******6:56 PM
******QUESTION:**On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Pass, as Amended
******BILL TITLE:*Fairness for High Skilled Immigrants Act
************* Yeas *** Nays ***NV ( Not Voting)
Republican****** 210**** 13***** 18
Democratic******179**** 02***** 11
Independent*****
TOTALS******** 389**** 15***** 29
HR 3012 bill will now be presented to the Senate. The Senate will then refer the bill to the Senate Judiciary Immigration Subcommittee where its companion bill sponsored by Sen. Mike Lee of Utah is pending. It will be interesting to watch how quickly this bill will be taken up by Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the Chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee. Considering the ticking clock for the recess of the First Session of 112th Congress in December, people may not be able to see any action for this bill until early next year. Please stay tuned. ( Source : http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html)
This is awesome. Not just passing but overall across party support, nearly unanimous. I think its highly likely this will become a law.Quote:
Originally Posted by LUVSPIDER
Those dollar amounts are not specifically for HR 3012 as far as I can tell. Those are all the contributions that those Congressmen have received from the interest groups mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by sportsfan33
More data here: http://maplight.org/us-congress/bill...-contributions
Its great to know that the HR3012 bill passed with such a great majority, But I feel there are much bigger hurdles ahead. I think that there is every possibility that this bill may face a totally different challenge with the senate. It is not necessary that a bill passed in the house will also pass with the senate, it might very well go undebated and silent considering other priorities. The senate may have a very different view about it. Remember ROW may oppose our favorable view on this bill with which only IC people would see a marginal benefit, and mostly ROW here in US means EU fellows who always gain hidden favorism here. Also as IC people are benefited with spillover, how substantial this bill will benefit IC people? I am not projecting this view from a pessimistic view but wants to see from a pragmatic perspective, so please be easy on your thoughts or correct me where-ever I am wrong. But sure it is an interim time for cheers.
Mostly we could sail thru senate with less issues...all we need to 61 members to discuss and vote without filibuster. We got more than 96% support in house which means on worst case we can get 80 vote in senate....
Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who heads the Senate Judiciary panel on immigration, said he planned to move the bill as quickly as possible in the Senate, "where we expect it to find overwhelming support." He said the legislation would "remove outdated constraints that prevent us from attracting the kind of innovators who can create job growth in America."
Please do not forget to add the source... doing it here for you..Quote:
Originally Posted by kwho32
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa..._worker_visas/
I read the AP report in the WaPo but somehow glossed over that line. Thanks for posting it here. Schumer's support should help. Let's see if this gets done before Jan.Quote:
Originally Posted by kwho32
I didn't want to add the source to avoid having another trackitt (sic comments from ROWers) in the comment section...
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Originally Posted by immitime
Congratulations guys.
helpful_leo, your intentions are clearly good and so are ours. Many a times an organization is well intentioned, but a few bad apples bring it bad name. Something like that has happened with ** IMHO. We are trying to fill the need to keep things transparent and allow people to discuss things freely. However what is more important is that at the end of the day EB-IC should be relieved of their endless wait. I am confident that's what people on this forum are working towards.
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Originally Posted by helpful_leo
quite a few steps before it becomes law so it still could be another 2-3 months before it becomes law given the holidays. This is ofcourse assuming the Senate doesnt want its own ammendments.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
In general, how long it takes to place a bill in the Senate after it is voted in favor by the House? Will they have a similar voting in Senate or can they accept/reject a bill based on overall consensus (i.e. without actual voting). The majority so far seems overwhelming and it definitely looks promising to be accepted by the Senate.
It goes to the Senate Judicial Cmte or whatever its called. they have to "approve" and push it to the Senate floor. The Dem Senator (Murphy?) who is the Chair has said that he would like to push it through soon. There's no set timetable as such but obviously with the holidays, I'm not sure what a good timeline would be. Plus even when the Bill does get to the floor, there is no time limits on discussion/ debate. I don't believe there will be a fillibuster so if it does get to the floor in its current format, it should go through... just a ton of administrative steps in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by pch053
This is a related report on the voting:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa..._worker_visas/
It mentions that Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who heads the Senate Judiciary panel on immigration, plans to move the bill as quickly as possible in the Senate. So, it might not take another 2 - 3 months after all, if this holds true.
This is a related report on the voting:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa..._worker_visas/
It mentions that Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who heads the Senate Judiciary panel on immigration, plans to move the bill as quickly as possible in the Senate. So, it might not take another 2 - 3 months after all, if this holds true.
Thanks, Q. We are working extremely hard with ** and local offices explaining about HR 3012 to get it passed. Everyone in this blog are extremely intelligent and articulate. I would request everyone to get in touch **coordinator and do your part. For the next few week all the bloggers need to turn to volunteers and activists and ensure that we get this bill passed at any cost. EB3 folks this is your last chance. EB2 need not be at the mercy of spillover and ensure that it is always fair. There is tremendous resistance put forth by the antis. One sample is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EB_ROW Please check and see how much opposition and resistance we have to face and overcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
All the best!!
All the best - this is very promising. Especially EB3ICs should indeed stand behind this bill and make calls to senators. I do not think people need to take instructions from anybody outside this forum - especially where they have experienced arrogance, high-handedness, secrecy & poor track record of achievements. Lets leave it that and focus our energies on "doing our part" by simply making calls to your senators.
p.s. - Regarding ROW - I think EBICs need to understand where they are coming from and never ever make it US vs THEY kind of debate. Unfortunately this bill is Zero Sum game. But in this case this is acceptable because of the inherent asymmetries and injustice in the original laws. But once this is passed, the next step of "Increasing Overall EB Limit" becomes easy - since then all countries will come on same basis and put a united front towards that cause. That's how I would talk with an ROW rather than "fight" with them.
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Originally Posted by asankaran
"Quickly as possible" is very different in the world of politics. It could possibly be done before the Christmas holidays but its not necessary to do it. They could very well do it in Jan and make it retro-active to Jan 1, 2012. My guess is that the latter will happen. Again purely a guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by pch053
I've tried that tact, with some of the smartest non-FIFOers out there. They see it as a veiled threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
My way of trying to make it not so much us vs. them is to refer to the two sides as FIFOers and non-FIFOers.
Whenever it passes (if it passes) it will be retro-active to Oct 1, 2011. Since EBROW/M/P will likely have used up more than the 15% reserved visa numbers by then, they will likely become U for the rest of the FY.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
Seems like tempers have softened since last night passing of the bill in the House. Some non-FIFOers have come to terms with the fact that it might become a law. They're more likely to talk about working together like adults. Ofcourse, it could all be a ruse to mislead FIFOers into letting their guards down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro Gonzales
As you rightly said about everyone in this blog, they do not require a ** to dictate what might be the next step. Definitely most of the members here will do their best to get this bill pass The Senate, resistence and opposition are required in a democratic decision. Ultimately the decision is how the Senators vote and how tech lobby pushes the same way they pushed in the Congress. It is almost a done deal! But we still needs to do whatever we can. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by asankaran
The two groups don't have to work together. But they can certainly work towards a common goal using their own methods.Quote:
Originally Posted by immitime
Names of Reps in congress (yes and no) analysis for H.R.3012
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll860.xml
Everyone on the Armed Services cmte (NY State) voted No. All others in NY / NJ voted yes. Very curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by immitime
Folks in Texas - Need to reach out to Republican Senator John Cornyn and make your case for HR3012. He is the ranking member in the Judiciary Sub Committee in the Senate. He and Schumer (who is already on board) are the two key players.Quote:
Originally Posted by qesehmk
I just read this on - http://www.immigration-law.com/
11/30/2011: Two Positive Notes for H.R. 3012
* Lifting annual numerical limitation after three years is tremendous benefits for Indian and Chinese EB green card applicants. There are a couple of additional good news for these EB Indians and Chinese:
o Effective Date: Should this bill be enacted without amendments by the Senate, the law will apply retroactively to October 1, 2011 during when they receive additional numbers.
o Senate Judiciary Immigration Subcommittee Chairman, Chuck Schumer's reported prediction: The New York Times (paper edition) of 11/30/2011 reports that Senator Schumer stated that the bill would be handled swiftly. Accordinly, there is a gleam of hope that this bill could even be enacted before the end of the year! I think the prediction is based on the current Congress that refects a strong bi-partisan support for this legislation.
* Please stay tuned for the Senate action.