IMO there is no point hurrying. It is better to schedule it once the bill has a strong support.
If bill doesn't have enough support, more amendments could be added to it, ultimately killing the bill.
IMO there is no point hurrying. It is better to schedule it once the bill has a strong support.
If bill doesn't have enough support, more amendments could be added to it, ultimately killing the bill.
On the flip side, the opposition to the bill isn't organized yet. The longer you give them the better they'll organize and the more cogent the opposition.Quote:
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Loha garam hai.........
EDIT: [Translation for Kanmani & QBF] - Dialogue from that old cult classic Sholay that translates to "The anvil is hot, strike the hammer"
I agree, this bill is so simple and doesn't affect any citizens. So the sooner it gets on the floor the better would be the chances of a favorable outcome.
As things get closer to the election date, anything that has the word immigration will be subject to higher scrutiny.
rom http://immigration-law.com/
Please discuss and get ready to call Senators in due course of time.Quote:
11/11/2011: Senate Version of the House H.R. 3012 Per Country Numberical Limitation Elimination Bill Introduced in the Senate Yesterday, 11/10/2011
One of the hottest House bills, H.R. 3012, was introduced by a Congressman from Utah on the House side. Now, a Republican Senator from the same state of Utah, Mike Lee, introduced S.1857 to eliminate the per-country numerical limitation for employment-based immigrants and to increase the per-country numerical limitation for family-sponsored immigrants. This bill may be a companion bill of the H.R. 3012 on the Senate side, which apparently was introduced yesterday in anticipation of House passing H.R. 3012 and reaching of the bill in the Senate soon. The full text has yet to be made available. Please stay tuned to this website for the full text of the Senate version.
Companion bills encourage simulataneous consideration of an item of legislation to speed up the process. This is a good thing! Just need equal support from democrats for the senate version as well and we have great chances of this becoming law!
This is awesome. There is movement. They are expecting the house bill to pass soon, hence the senate bill. Seems like the decision makes on capitol hill are assigning HR-3012 a fair chance of success.
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great news!!Quote:
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Is this going to be put for vote by senate or is it going to a Committee and the entire process starts again? if you look here it seems like it is going to be considred by committee- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1857
gerterdone,
I think it will have to go through the entire process in the senate as it did in the house. I guess this is done may be to avoid any delays by proceeding independently and combine/negotiate the bill after its passed both in House & senate.
As per US senate glossary
"companion bill or measure - Similar or identical legislation which is introduced in the Senate and House. House and Senate lawmakers who share similar views on legislation may introduce a companion bill in their respective chambers to promote simultaneous consideration of the measure."
Here is the legislative process for senate & house, I was just referring to it and thought would be helpful to understand the process
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/co...ve_process.htm
http://www.house.gov/content/learn/legislative_process/
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Kanmani,
Just to add to your links, I think floor current day schedule can be checked here
http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/...x?day=20111104
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So if house passes H R 3012 and Senate passes this senate version (S. 1857), let us assume at a similar time, then will there still be a need for H.R 3012 to go to Senate or the only thing pending would be the Signature of President to make it a law? I am having difficulty to understand the simultaneous bills in House and Senate and how they would contribute together...
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If you look at the bills summary in the thomas library, if there is any similar version of the House bill in the Senate, I mean to say exactly the same version, then there is no need to be considered in the respective houses one more time . This holds true for both house and Senate version.
On the contrary if there is any additional amendment which is diff from the other version , then each bill has to go through every step in both the houses.
I think i somewhat explained, hope it is clear.
Here is a link
Q:”What happens to an approved Senate bill with respect to an identical House bill? If the House version is defeated, does the bill end?”
http://www.govtrack.us/blog/2008/10/...-bill-die-too/
dreamer thanks for the link . This webpage of the clerk is updated only after the house activity is completed, it is minute by minute update .
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Thanks Kanmani,
I got it now :)
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Thanks gcq,
The article is very informative and adds to what kanmani explained.
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Great news about the bill being introduced in the Senate.
Apart from getting your list of senators' phone number ready (to make those twenty second calls), I urge the readers to take a few moments and vote for it on PopVox and OpenCongress just as you all did for HR 3012.
Please note that this time around, the voices AGAINST these bills are much louder. It is even more important for us to do the little we can (as opposed to just talking about it here on the board).
POPVOX: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/s1857
OpenCongress: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s1857/show
And in case you missed voting for HR 3012 earlier, please do so now.
POPVOX: https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/hr3012
OpenCongress: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3012/show
Please... "DO" the little you can to support this bill.
Thank you!
Done.
This is certainly good news. But tons of work still to do. All hands on deck!
Just had a doubt. Read somewhere that introducing a similar bill in both senate and house is a tactic to kill the bill. Is this true?Quote:
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Does having a similar bill in senate make it more likable to pass or less. Also if passed which will actually pass and is the new senate bill the exact duplicate of the house bill 3012 and if not then what are the differences.
Sorry the questions came out in a gush.
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Floor Action
Once a committee has approved legislation, it becomes eligible for debate on the House and Senate floors, where it may be passed, defeated or amended. Because floor debates often are scheduled on short notice, you should prepare your messages (e.g. e-mails, letters etc.) well in advance. However, keep in mind that timing is extremely critical. Any communications about legislation that is coming up for floor debate should arrive as close to the time of voting as possible.
Conference Action
It is usually the case that the House and Senate pass different versions of the same bill. When that occurs, a handful of members from each chamber are appointed to serve on a conference committee that attempts to work out a compromise. A conference committee usually consists of selected members of the House and Senate subcommittees that originally developed the legislation. In some instances, conference committees may need to resolve only a few issues; in the case of appropriations bills, there may be several hundred to be reconciled. Constituents whose senators or representatives happen to be on a conference committee can play a crucial role in the deliberations.
The end product of the meetings is a conference report containing a compromise bill and a section-by-section explanation of the agreed-upon compromise. Once both the House and Senate agree to the conference report, the measure is sent to the President for approval (or veto).
Read More here
http://www.aacom.org/advocacy/congre...s/default.aspx
Good Luck to all...
Bills before 3012 under Judiciary committee - H.R. 10 and H.R. 822 both were ordered to be reported on 25th of last month and they have been reported on Thursday. So i am hoping 3012 report will be out soon. Hopefully this week.
Thanks immitime for the info. It looks like you are very knowlegeble regarding the the complete process a bill goes through. Good to have you on this forum which is about calrity about the processQuote:
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Thank You for appreciation, I have seen your posts, You think for everyone, there is no onesided thing in your post for the whole immigrant community, I have seen lot of people writing against you in other forums. Again, I was not knowing the legislative process until last year when a EB immigration bill came to Congress/Senate.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlainSpeak
Necessity is the mother of invention! :-) As some one said a Genius is a Genius until the source is discovered! is it not :-)
Hope all of us EB immigrants will comeout of this big hole soon! Praying for the good of all.
If by this " I have seen lot of people writing against you in other forums" you mean ** then yes i guess i am unpopular there. Funny thing is i got banned there last year but when i checked it looks like the ban is lifted but i feel no need to register and post on ** again because it is not worth it.Quote:
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Keep up the good work !!!!! You knowledge is very much needed in todays environment
Between Senators Lee and Rubio the right wing of the Republican party senators seem to be firmly in support of ending caps. The idea seems to be gaining some traction in general. Good news, in my opinion. Thanks for keeping us up to date Kanmani.Quote:
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