Thanksgiving is very optimistic. I would be very happy with that timeline.
For last thanksgiving, we were praying for passage HR 3012. Not even in our wildest dreams, we hoped for CIR to pass by next thanksgiving.
Thanksgiving is very optimistic. I would be very happy with that timeline.
For last thanksgiving, we were praying for passage HR 3012. Not even in our wildest dreams, we hoped for CIR to pass by next thanksgiving.
My theory for what it is worth is that the EB legal immigration part is the easiest part to resolve and there are probably no contentious issues there. Both Reps Labrador and Lofgren are in favor of eliminating country caps and will include that in any legislation. The Senate has been friendly territory to this and continues to be so with 24 co-sponsors for the I-squared Act which includes country cap removal. The concern in the House is that the same support which marked the introduction of HR 3012 is lacking with not much support this time around from Judiciary Committee members. Since it passed by a voice vote in committee the last time,it is tough to see if any of these members have changed their mind. Rep Goodlatte has not signed on as a cosponsor nor has previous chairman Rep.Lamar Smith. I still think country cap removal is a good bet if CIR gets that far.Quote:
Originally Posted by CleanSock
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...nts-89518.html
This is one less vote for passage-Some minds are going to be hard to change
hey abcx13 and rupen86,
did you get any link showing what's in it for EB2 India in the CIR bill? all the links i read mentions mainly illegal immigrants and family visas.
Thanks!
Soumitra
The first link somewhat explains Rubio's remarks but I have yet to find a link which will do thorough analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by abcx13
Posting the link from one of my earlier posts. I had to work hard to look into earlier posts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by iamdeb
http://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/arti...es-future-hold
It's all speculation at this time but per country caps will go away for sure. Other potential itemsQuote:
Originally Posted by iamdeb
- visa recapture
- dependents not counting towards quota
- separate STEM quota
- increased total GC numbers
- elimination of GC lottery
NY/NY folks can get into some action at town hall in Liberty State Park..
https://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/gsk48t
Leahy wants just one committee hearing for CIR....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...y-immigration/
Seems important article. I did not understand some things. It says Dreamers and farm workers would get expedited road to legal status. I do not know how they would define farm workers. Would that need some years of experience working as farm worker? Illegal farm worker would get expedited status than legal farm worker? Then it says next group of people would be able to apply through legal or family preferences. If they eliminate some family preferences then those avenues will be gone. Supposing low skill workers can apply on their own for the green card, these people can apply that way but it also says they will have to go back to their home country. It also needs to finalize on border security and most likely won't include government benefits which senate had voted down recently.Guest worker program is also not finalized. May be they will pick up that from senate but article says they remain skeptical of senate efforts and doubt that senate would be able to release the bill next week. I do not know if there is something common about that suspicion and Rubio's. Overall, this leaves more questions than answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by abcx13
I guess all will be clear the next week when hopefully both bills are out.
My feeling is that most illegals will be happy with a GC or even the provisional legal status and won't bother jumping through the hoops to become citizens. If their kids are already citizens, it doesn't matter in terms of access to education.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...ney-89563.html
So there may be less of an immigration deal in existence than current headlines would have us believe. Not only are Republicans still thrashing out the issue, but a source told me that Democrats in the Senate are far from having the 60 votes necessary for a filibuster-proof bill. And nobody knows what the even more chaotic House will come up with.
I am not sure what to believe anymore!
The article has less content and more assumptions. It discusses about republican party problems which they have identified. Some in the party might believe that immigration is not a problem but rank and file republicans believe that and they are embracing that. It talks about wait period, but even Obama came up with 8+5 year period. So, 10+3 does not look very different. I do not think this gag would have done everything in secrecy without keeping whitehouse in loop. Even before bill has come up, I do not know how so called source can tell that there may not be 60 votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
I know you are trying to be positive but Roger Simon is a respected journalist from Chicago with usually good insider information. Also there is a difference in my opinion between the House and senate Bills although as abcx13 mentioned we should wait to see the Bills first. The House Bill after the wait would require obtaining Green Card through regular channels with all the numerical/country-cap limitations while my understanding of the Senate Bill is that there is no such requirement except the time lapse of 10 years for a GCQuote:
Originally Posted by rupen86
Hopefully they will introduce the legislation and sort out the differences later
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...607_Page2.html
Construction industry is left out of the deal so obviously they will not support it. I do not know if their support is required to pass the bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
From Oh Law firm,
http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Political...tion-Agreement
From the above link, it is clear that those workers can self petition for their green cards. I am assuming that they will be petitioning under EB category which means more backlog ahead unless sufficient number of green cards are added to EB.
The first link provides very important and latest update. It seems positive update.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
If indeed W-Visa with self petition get implemented
The present EB backlog would have to cleared and apply only for future consular applicants.
All locals staying more than 1 years would have to be greened automatically or another queue may start this time may be based on skills categories.
We have to wait and see if any number limits will be proposed
But I like the concept of W-Visa with self petition of more than 1 year and against a specific skill lacking category
Quote:
Originally Posted by rupen86
One other issue that keeps coming up often which has not been raised extensively yet is the problem of agricultural workers.
After the initial amnesty in 1986 a lot of undocumented aliens who became legal moved on to better jobs and the agricultural worker pool dried up. According to some of the links I provide below there is a separate group of Senators working on this issue to add to the CIR Bill
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci...mmigration-law
http://westernfarmpress.com/governme...rm-gains-steam
http://www.thepacker.com/fruit-veget...201476281.html
http://www.agri-pulse.com/Congress-f...s-03282013.asp
I felt I needed to add this article
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2013/0...eet-literally/
I do not know without the farm deal why Schumer and other gang of 8 senators excluding Rubio were optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by abcx13
Ca someone explain why we have a Senate and a House bill? Why not just work off one bill, make amendments, etc rather go thru the whole process twice. I suppose theoretically it gives CIR 2 chances to pass but realistically that's not the case.
In one of the earlier articles, one of the house members from gang of 8 was quoted as saying that he would be very surprised if the senate bill is released next week. This seems to confirm that.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
One bill would be good. But politics is not about good or bad. It is about scoring political points.Quote:
Originally Posted by vizcard
Looks like, house bill won't be introduced next week and there is already suspicion that senate bill will be delayed by a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
Seems very important article and provides some latest facts but also vague on some of the things.Quote:
Originally Posted by gs1968
1) It says that house bill won't provide amnesty and that it will differ from senate bill and indicates that senate bill is like amnesty. But it also says that it is not good for people to be here who can not aspire to be citizens. This may mean that they will provide different kind of path to citizenship.
2) It clearly says senate bill won't be introduced next week.
3) It says that house may try to pass series of bills instead of one. I am thinking that house may work on series of bills and later combine them into one.
To rupen86
I think a few of us have gotten ourselves into this mode of mining news sources and going on a roller-coaster ride multiple times a day. It might help to take a break (going to be difficult!) and enjoy the family and weather and come back to this in Aug/Sept which is the earliest when I feel any meaningful legislative action is possible. Also the Bills introduced now in either chamber may not resemble the final product after committee/chamber/conference consideration. For this reason,there is no need to be overjoyed if the provisions in the Bill are favorable or dejected if they are unfavorable