Discussion On The Politics of Immigration Reform (Comprehensive Or Otherwise)

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

This is height of stupidity. This comes straight out of the playbook of republican party - particularly Trumpsters who don't want Desi H1Bs or any H1Bs for that matter.

Mindboggling.

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This definitely is stupid. This does not makes sense and is never going to happen.

However just to play devil's advocate to see where it goes - Is this a way to attract attention of Dems/Companies/Lawyers/AILA. If this catches on with Republicans/Conservatives/Numbers USA etc and they start supporting this, then would that be a push for Dems/Companies//Lawyers/AILA to do something to resolve the backlog? As of now they are plain and simple ignoring the backlog issue in their interest to cater to DACA/undocumented immigration problem.

Don't take me wrong... I am just trying to see what motivated IV to take this approach. Is it plain stupid or there is a thought process in this?

See below news reporting - is there any method to this madness?

https://www.news18.com/news/world/bi...d-3422084.html

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Originally Posted by skpanda

This definitely is stupid. This does not makes sense and is never going to happen.

However just to play devil's advocate to see where it goes - Is this a way to attract attention of Dems/Companies/Lawyers/AILA. If this catches on with Republicans/Conservatives/Numbers USA etc and they start supporting this, then would that be a push for Dems/Companies//Lawyers/AILA to do something to resolve the backlog? As of now they are plain and simple ignoring the backlog issue in their interest to cater to DACA/undocumented immigration problem.

Don't take me wrong... I am just trying to see what motivated IV to take this approach. Is it plain stupid or there is a thought process in this?

See below news reporting - is there any method to this madness?

https://www.news18.com/news/world/bi...d-3422084.html

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I think they are again hoodwinked into wrong strategy by their Trump pals.

The Trump folks clearly want to stop any and all immigration. Country quota for H1B stops all desi H1B dead in its tracks and effectively kills H1B going forward.

My guess is that Trump folks have convinced IV that by effectively killing H1B somehow the focus will move to how unfair country caps are.

I think this logic is unsound -especially because the focus already is strongly on country caps. Biden is already committed to removing country caps. Both parties have passed or sponsored such bills. What we need is skillful advocacy to walk the minefield of various interests that can stop this in its track by tagging 100 other things.

But to answer your question - honestly they don't seem to have given much thought to it just like they didn't seem to have done it with Durbin blame game.

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Originally Posted by Turbulent_Dragonfly

IV has officially gone full bonkers. It's ok to be emotional about a cause but asking people to do something unlawful, no matter that no one is going to listen to their rants, is just plain dumb. There are no country limits on H1B as per law and it will remain so until it changes, so wishing for that so that green card issues are sorted out is just arse backward.

https://mobile.twitter.com/immivoice...40600304373763

Until discriminatory per-county limits on EB Green Cards are lifted, the Biden administration needs to STOP bringing in more new Indian immigrants on H-1B, otherwise more immigrants will be exploited by their employers and discriminated by the system.

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The guy who was handling their tweet was having a drink that did not gel well with his internal system and put a random tweet out. They never had any clout in the Trump Admin, they went bonkers by thinking, abusing a Senator might get a seat at Trump table.

I don't know where the maturity left among the senior leaders who had better sensibility when dealing with Grassley, but completely insane when it was Durbin.

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Originally Posted by skpanda

This definitely is stupid. This does not makes sense and is never going to happen.

See below news reporting - is there any method to this madness?

https://www.news18.com/news/world/bi...d-3422084.html

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Looking at this statement form the Article:
"to use its authority under INA Section 212(f) to exclude any new individual born in India who are not currently in the United States legally from obtaining a new H-1B visa for the first time in Fiscal Year 2022, he said."
This is going to impact people who are here for Master or higher education or on other visas and that is not going to fly as many Universities depend on Indian students.

Also it is more of a half baked thought and not sure if analyzed the impact before making this absurd statement or call.

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Originally Posted by srimurthy

Looking at this statement form the Article:
"to use its authority under INA Section 212(f) to exclude any new individual born in India who are not currently in the United States legally from obtaining a new H-1B visa for the first time in Fiscal Year 2022, he said."
This is going to impact people who are here for Master or higher education or on other visas and that is not going to fly as many Universities depend on Indian students.

Also it is more of a half baked thought and not sure if analyzed the impact before making this absurd statement or call.

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AK and his loyal fans has been trying to stay in relevance in some form or another.

The strategy is very good. If Indians are blocked from applying H1, the applicants will be from ROW and it can guarantee that From 2022/23 onwards India get only the minimal 2803 visas. They can continue to milk their group of desperadoes from 2011-15 with some vague bills and photo ops. It?s high time that organization has to get rid of AK and it?s Chamchas for a clean reboot.

There should be no fear that any of this will be implemented in any fashion because it's not part of law. It's just so moronic for some immigrant advocacy organization to put out statements like these from a verified twitter account which will actually hurt immigrants and sow misinformation too.

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Originally Posted by AceMan

AK and his loyal fans has been trying to stay in relevance in some form or another.

The strategy is very good. If Indians are blocked from applying H1, the applicants will be from ROW and it can guarantee that From 2022/23 onwards India get only the minimal 2803 visas. They can continue to milk their group of desperadoes from 2011-15 with some vague bills and photo ops. It?s high time that organization has to get rid of AK and it?s Chamchas for a clean reboot.

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Ace - I do not know AK personally. Only through his work on advocacy. I have always respected the fact that he managed to build and run a significant advocacy organization following and effort. But I have also disliked their methods and strategies, which IMHO have become quite distasteful and counterproductive over time. I think it is in everybody's interest that good people join IV and help them with strategy. My own view is that strategy needs to be middle of the path, non-partisan, and should appeal to common Americans' sense of justice if it is to be effective. A strategy that is extreme, confrontational, partisan or political has little to no chance of ever succeeding.

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Originally Posted by qesehmk

Ace - I do not know AK personally. Only through his work on advocacy. I have always respected the fact that he managed to build and run a significant advocacy organization following and effort. But I have also disliked their methods and strategies, which IMHO have become quite distasteful and counterproductive over time. I think it is in everybody's interest that good people join IV and help them with strategy. My own view is that strategy needs to be middle of the path, non-partisan, and should appeal to common Americans' sense of justice if it is to be effective. A strategy that is extreme, confrontational, partisan or political has little to no chance of ever succeeding.

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Q, all due respect, this is not how advocacy is done. Been part of a couple of big advocacy organizations and they usually have a big presence in DC, have lawyers, a dedicated advocacy branch, full-time staff working on implementing the strategy, staff working on developing contacts and communication with lobbyists, lawyers, and people on the hill including senators and reps. They meet with elected officials, bring former elected officials on as thought leaders to push the advocacy front. Create a complimentary as well as networking effect by bringing in other organizations with similar goals. I have seen this upfront and personally with the American Medical association, American Hospital Association and a couple of other religious/social organizations. At the heart of it is money. Lots of it. The overall advocacy strategy is tightly integrated with the organizational strategy and is executed with singular focus. It never wavers and is laser focused.

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Originally Posted by android09

Q, all due respect, this is not how advocacy is done. Been part of a couple of big advocacy organizations and they usually have a big presence in DC, have lawyers, a dedicated advocacy branch, full-time staff working on implementing the strategy, staff working on developing contacts and communication with lobbyists, lawyers, and people on the hill including senators and reps. They meet with elected officials, bring former elected officials on as thought leaders to push the advocacy front. Create a complimentary as well as networking effect by bringing in other organizations with similar goals. I have seen this upfront and personally with the American Medical association, American Hospital Association and a couple of other religious/social organizations. At the heart of it is money. Lots of it. The overall advocacy strategy is tightly integrated with the organizational strategy and is executed with singular focus. It never wavers and is laser focused.

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Thanks. I wouldn't expect less. But somehow their public persona is how I have described.

Regardless I wish them well and as I said, all good energetic people should join IV. Instead of squabbling it is always best to do something constructive.