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As lot of people were predicting future dates, I was sure that I would be filing my 485 in a month or two. So I had requested my EVL from my company two month prior (in month of October). At that time company was not having any clue why I am requesting and issue me one EVL. If my PD would not have got current than I would have thrown EVL letter in dustbin. Luckily my PD become current and I had used EVL letter.Quote:
Originally Posted by gc2008
"This Fact Sheet presents statistics regarding Permanent Labor Certification program applications submitted during the first quarter of FY 2012."
White House response to petition for GC for advanced degree holders
Please see in appropriate thread here:
http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showth...degree-holders
Why would you take risk filing on your own, If any RFE raises about company, you would be in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by username
One alternate is , write the bond and file I-485, Once you get GC or eligible for AC21, manage your client to terminate your contract. Then you can sit at home ask your employer to pay. They can't pay you for free. problem solved.
Unless his employer owes him some money.
Well, even before we think of alternatives, is there even such a contract based rule in the US. I think they are just trying to scare you.
I heard of non disclosure agreements but I have never heard of any company making its employee write a contract to stay with them for x amount of time.
I could be wrong...perhaps one of the gurus would know better about such contracts.
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Originally Posted by Osaka001
GC in US itself is conditonal unlike other countries granting PR based on educational qualifications.
Since the GC is offered purely based upon the job position of the particular company with an intention to work in the position on a permanent basis I dont think this could be challenged.
Just my point of view leaving the rest to Gurus.
Yes , they are valid, the rules vary from state to state, In california the rules are not tight. But in NY same bond is valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by krishnav
Most of the time , they quote this amount as filing and some misc expenses, they will go to arbitrage courts.
I have my colleage in CA, but his employer in NY, he filed bond for 18 months, and he left after 6 months on H1, then their employer filed case in the arb court, the judge ordered to pay prorated amount, he had to pay around 9K.
In my personal case, I wrote a bond with my employer for 18 months with 15K, on H1 in CA, I got offer from my client in 14th month of the contract, then I moved becoz of economy.
My employer sent lawyer notice for the amount 15K, not even prorated amount, but luckily, there was a DOL audit going on for some people on bench, then I sent a email to him, stating his company is not paying some of the employees on bench and DOL audit etc for the reason to leave the company. After that , I did not see any mails from him, this is 2008.
I work in NY and I had to sign a $10K contract for 2 years after GC. Ofcourse I can always ask my new company to give me a "signing bonus" if required
Yes you have suggested good valid alternative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Osaka001
Why would you take risk filing on your own, If any RFE raises about company, you would be in trouble.
I don't think within 180 days of filing I485 there will be any rfe requesting any company documents as I have already provided valid EVL and paystubs at the time of filing. On 181 day of filing I485 I am going to invoke AC21 and will be free from any obligation.
I don't know in which US-State such bond/contract are valid and not valid as I am not an expert of US law. But too be safe side I always aviod to sign on dotted line.
Friends, Quick question about a possible scenario...
My PD is EB2I - 12-Dec-2007 and 6 years on H1 is expiring on May 15th 2012. Even though I would get EAD prior to my H1 expiration, there is a possibility that my approved 140 could be revoked by USCIS due to financial misrepresentation by the company. Due to this, I am applying for my H1 extension on the basis of approved 140. Most likely my 485 would be adjudicated only after 4 or 5 months from now based on my priority date. If my H1 is approved first based on 140 and later the 140 is revoked at 485 adjudication stage, will I be able to continue working on the H1 until the new expiry date or does it invalidate the H1 extension received. Any thoughts please?
Thanks Osaka001....good to know.
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Originally Posted by Osaka001
Reader,Quote:
Originally Posted by Reader
If H1B is approved before 140 revoked, your H1 will remain valid for the duration approved.
I am not expert on I-485 process, I myself waiting to file AoS, I know there are less chances for RFE at 485 stage, but my point view is, I could see many cost effective ways to break the bond than addressing 485 related issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by username
my 2 cents.
That's why I call this system a slavery system.
From the surface, it does not look like a slavery system, but deep inside it is a slavery system. GC in US is not based on the merits of an applicant, but based on whether this person can be a dog of his/her employer for as long as ten years! During this process the government grants the employers all the previlege to hide approved documents and give zero right to the applicant before 485 stage. You can not even figure out whether they really filed anything for you and you have to stay in darkness for many years. With the minimum pay, many applicants have to stay on the same position for so many years. It's indeed a slavery system, especially for EB3 folks. Sorry to say that, but it is the truth of this system: maximize the power of employers and attorneys, minimize the rights of applicants, lock the applicants as long as they can.
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Originally Posted by Kanmani
It is a version of Indentured Servitude...Quote:
Originally Posted by qblogfan
Do ur time to get your plastic...
EB1 - 6 to 8 Months
EB2 - 8 Months to 4 Years
EB3 - 4 to 70 Years
My expression is not an Endorsement of the current systm.
Assuming the company files immediately and there are no contracts at the end. Im lucky that i love my job and get paid on par with others so I'm not in a hurry to change jobs...but its not pretty for most.Quote:
Originally Posted by girishgkulkarni
Submitting secondary evidence and affidavits .
(i) General . The non-existence or other unavailability of required evidence creates a presumption of ineligibility. If a required document, such as a birth or marriage certificate, does not exist or cannot be obtained, an applicant or petitioner must demonstrate this and submit secondary evidence, such as church or school records, pertinent to the facts at issue. If secondary evidence also does not exist or cannot be obtained, the applicant or petitioner must demonstrate the unavailability of both the required docum ent and relevant secondary evidence, and submit two or more affidavits, sworn to or affirmed by persons who are not parties to the petition who have direct personal knowledge of the event and circumstances. Secondary evidence must overcome the unavailability of primary evidence, and affidavits must overcome the unavailability of both primary and secondary evidence.
(4) Submitting copies of documents .
Application and petition forms, and documents issued to support an application or petition (such as labor certifications, Form DS 2019, medical examinations, affidavits, formal consultations, letters of current employment and other statements) must be submitted in the original unless previously filed with USCIS. Official documents issued by the Department or by the former Immigration and Naturalization Service need not be submitted in the original unless required by USCIS. Unless otherwise required by the applicable regulation or form's instructions, a legible photocopy of any other supporting document may be submitted. Applicants and petitioners need only submit those original documents necessary to support the benefit sought. However, original documents submitted when not required will remain a part of the record. (Revised effective 6/18/07; 72 FR 19100 )
http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/S...0-0-11565.html
I noticed on trackitt that PERM approvals have almost dried up and now are down to a trickle. Could the gurus please explain the impact of this? There may be none immediately, but I think it may, I stress may, result in more spillover in 2012 or early 2013.
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Originally Posted by kd2008
kd2008,Quote:
Originally Posted by veni001
We analysed FY-2011 PERM & 140 data back in November, you can check posts # 2569 & 2574.
DOL December Factsheet shows further down trend in PERM certifications in Q1-FY2012. PERM certifications are down by 50% when compared to Q1-FY2011, in addition to increase in denial rate.
If and when half-year data is available, we will have better picture for FY2012!.
Bottom line, as long and EB1&EB2ROW demand is less than the number of VISAs available in given quarter, CO will be happy to continue QSP!
Thank you for the quick analysis, veni!Quote:
Originally Posted by veni001
From memory some one posted clarifications link from Rajiv Khanna that 'copies' of affidavits will suffice. My friends have got affidavit copies based on attorneys advice. I am not contesting above link but just stating what I have seen/ heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanmani
fragomen told me copies of all documents are fine. I don't know about the EVL since they are working with my Firm directly to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by suninphx
Is QSP really happening in this quarter? Unless I'm mistaken we have seen only a few approvals beyond July 07 this month
natvyas,Quote:
Originally Posted by natvyas
There may be something of a lull at the moment.
Most easily approvable cases from the old backlog have probably been approved by now and it is still a little early for the majority of even October new filings to be ready to adjudicate, if you consider even 4 months processing time. Those seen to date had pretty short times by normal standards. About 19% of EB2-I October filers have been approved to date.
We don't know the level of visas that are going to be available for QSP this quarter, but it can't continue at the rate seen in Q1 (or at least it is very unlikely). Having essentially cleared the backlog, CO may wait a little longer to determine that, since it will affect how much he has to retrogress dates.
EB2-ROW appears to be using less visas, but EB1 continues to consume a worryingly large number.
Based on analysis of I-485 inventory data as on 30-Sep-11 released by USCIS, I think there is ample scope of PD movement for EB2 I.
1. The total I-485 inventory of EB1 plus EB2 cases was 39K as at Sep. end. Of this 15K was for 2011 filings (which will be from countries other than India and China).
2. USCIS needs to build an I-485 inventory of 90K by April 2012 end, assuming a lead-time of 4 months for USCIS to process the I-485 applications and a rejection rate of 10% so that the 80K visas for EB1 & EB2 are utilized by Sep. 2012 end. In addition, they also need to a keep an inventory of 30K at Sep.2012 end for processing in the first quarter of FY 2013. In other words, they need to evaluate and process about 8K EB1+EB2 I-485 cases per month on an on-going basis to ensure that the annual quota is not wasted.
3. For the years 2008, 2009, 2010, EB1 inventory was 151, 295, 3495 from non-India/China applicants whose PD was current in those years.
4. For the years 2008, 2009, 2010, EB2 inventory was 703, 1167, 3561 from non-India/China applicants whose PD was current in those years.
5. Because the EB1 and EB2 demand/inventory is very low for the years 2008, 2009, 2010 from non-India/China countries whose PD was current (may be due to recession), it leaves a huge amount of spillover for India and China. A number of employers were not even ready to employ H1B candidates in the last few years let alone process GCs for them. So, demand from India/China applicants is also not expected to be huge.
6. If the I-485 filings from India & China do not increase substantially to eat up the entire spillover (which seems so from some one's count of TSC filings, about 6K I485s (all EBs put together) in Dec./Jan.), it will be necessary for DOS to advance the priority date.
7. The inventory of I-485 in 2009 is still low. It improved in 2010, but the bigger increase came in 2011 with 15K filings from countries other than India and China.
8. Therefore, my expectation is for EB2 I to move to 1-Jan-2011 in March and to 1-Jul-2011 in April visa bulletins in order to absorb the spillover from EB2 ROW low demand and EB1 excess absorption. If the number of filings in Feb and March do not increase substantially to build up sufficient inventory for FY 2012, it may become current in May visa bulletin. I do not see any need for retrogression until sufficient inventory is built up by USCIS/DOS.
Is there any flaw in my analysis?
vgraj1 I think that the 80K you mention above for EB1 and EB2 ... is ok. But need to understand that EB1 consumes almost all of their quota. And then there is EB2ROW which will ocnsume about 3/4th of their quota. Thus EB2IC are dependent on mostly EB5 and EB2ROW for spillover - which over last few years has been around 20-25K per year (including EB2IC allocation of 6K).
As per movement - since the movement is discretionary, anything could happen. However if we hold CO true to his word, then we should actually expect retro as soon as next bulletin and as late as the one after. The reason being, the people who filed in Oct 2011 onwards should start hitting DOS pipeline anytime now.
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Originally Posted by vgraj1
vgraj1,
I think you need to be aware of the limitations of using the USCIS Inventory data for Categories and Countries that are Current.
The USCIS Inventory only shows I-485 applications submitted where the underlying I-140 has also been approved.
For the old EB2-IC backlog, it was quite accurate, because it was almost static and the cases were so old that virtually all underlying I-140 had been approved.
That is not the case for EB1 and EB2-ROW.
Cases where the I-140 is approved and any I-485 is also approved between Inventories will never appear in any Inventory.
Around 75% of EB1C (which has made up 50% of total EB1 approvals) and EB2-ROW cases are filed concurrently. EB1A has quite low concurrent filing and EB1B is somewhere in between.
The I-485 cases associated with I-140 cases that are still pending will not appear in the Inventory.
Therefore, for Categories / Countries are Current, the USCIS Inventory will under report the true numbers IMO.
Hi Spectator,
Thanks for your response. My thought was that for the countries whose PD is current, the applicants would have already filed their I-485s in 2008, 2009, 2010 before Sep.2011, and so their I-485 inventory is reliable, and low because of the recession. Anyway, I understand that it is all a guessing name at this point, and it depends on the rate of filings in Feb/March 2012 from EB 2 I/C who have become current, and how much of spillover has been utilized.
Gurus: IF QSP is applied, do u expect the Nov filers to be cleared in the coming month or so...would the CO then retrogress to Nov1st? If QSP is not applied, is it correct to say that the dates have to be retrogressed to a much earlier date by April?
For Oct EB2 I filers. very few approvals after the first week of January. Now we are seeing RFEs for some of the filers but not many approvals. I think this implies, they are pre-adjudicating the remaining applications pending availability of Visa numbers. The Jan first week approvals were likely coming from the release of the second quarter quota (now exhausted). If this is true we may not see many more approvals till the end of March.
As they accrue more pre-adjudicated applications, the chances of retrogression increases. Hopefully another month of forward movement, but then retrogression seems imminent.
president99,Quote:
Originally Posted by president99
As Spec pointed above, the rate of approvals for EB2IC in Q2 can't be expected similar to Q1.
QSP mostly depends on how well EB1&EB2ROW-M-P going to do in each quarter.
chikitsak,Quote:
Originally Posted by chikitsak
That could very well be a possibility. In this case we should see significantly higher numbers in next Demand Data for EB2IC, published by DOS.
vgraj1,Quote:
Originally Posted by vgraj1
Yes, for Categories / Countries that are always Current, they would have already filed their I-485s and certainly for the earlier years, the I-140 has probably been approved as well. But, the I-485 is almost certainly approved as well by now and has been reflected in the approvals reported for FY2008, FY2009 etc by DOS. None of those cases would reflect in the latest USCIS Inventory. In fact, many of the older cases still in the Inventory may have problems which have delayed them being approved by now, or there may be other, unknown, reasons.
But for more recent cases (maybe 6-9 months), filed concurrently, many will not have had the underlying I-140 approved and any associated I-485s will not show in the USCIS Inventory.
It is a difficult nut to crack and there have been many discussions on the forum about how to better determine EB1 numbers in particular. If data from many different sources all points the same way, then we have greater confidence in it.
For instance, a rise in EB1 numbers for FY2012 was predicted based on various USCIS reports and Veni's work on deriving numbers from the USCIS Dashboard data.
In general, approvals on Trackitt YoY give a very good idea of the trend of what is happening.
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Originally Posted by Spectator
vgraj1,Quote:
Originally Posted by vgraj1
I agree with Spec, it is a difficult nut to crack.
You can check our monthly PERM-to-140 tracker to get a feel for EB1-140 receipts, which shows significant increase in demand.
People ....
Quick question.... My company is filing for second labor. Earlier PERM and I-140 were cleared last year but they were for a specific job location and i have already moved out of that location. Now, I was reading on some websites that a lot of people get audit if the same company is filing for PERM again. In my case, the distinction is fairly clear that it was filed earlier for city A and now it is filed for all states in the US. But i don't know if the USCIS folks will be able to figure that out. Is it wise to withdraw the previous PERM and I-140 before filing a new one? I am concerned because if it is denied, i will be in dire straits. In worst case scenario, I can move back to City A for the job and file I-485 from there based on first PERM and I-140, But if we withdraw, that option is gone too. I hope i am making sense here. Thanks for any advice in advance.
Here is what I did. As soon as my dates got current. My attorney suggested that I move to the state where my PERM was filed. I work for a fortune 10 company and have offices in every state, so I moved and my H1B/LCA was also amended. Later I485 was filed. Now the crazy part is, my wife still works in a different state and I am commuting every weekend (7hrs drive one-way). Its tough with a 3 year old in the house and I miss my family everyday but we are hoping that as soon as my wife gets her EAD, she will hopefully find a job in the state where I am working. My difficulties are one more example of the sacrifices some of us have to go through for this GC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nishant_imt
Folks - Sorry for the off-topic post. I will remove the post and the replies to the appropriate thread in a day. I am a Feb current (PD: Aug-2009) and I have two urgent questions:
1. I am in a pickle about Birth Certificate thing. I have Affidavits from parents and I also have school records however, getting either a delayed registration BC or a Non-Availability Certificate is proving to be a hassle. I am from a corruption-rich state and my parents are quite elderly and it is proving very difficult for them to get anything from the Municipality. Is it possible at all to file for 485 without a document from Municipality?
2. I need EAD urgently since my dependent needs to shift jobs in Mar-April timeframe. Would it be advisable to file 485 asap even if the documentation is not fully complete (e.g. the BC issue above) and let it go to RFE? Would any resulting RFE affect the timeline for us to get an EAD??
Thanks for your replies. There is just a week for me to file and I am freaking out a little.
Hi veni001,
Thanks for the link. Have you made any similar statistics for EB2 and projections for FY 2012. Are we able to isolate the reason from the statistics why CO is advancing EB2 I&C rapidly in the last few bulletins? From this, are we able to extrapolate what would be the expected PD changes in the next 2 bulletins?
Nice post!Quote:
Originally Posted by sportsfan33
GC in hand wait time will still be around 4-5 years for few more years IMO. More because its all based on performance of other catagories.
Hi sportsfan33,
Thanks for the detailed explanation. My PD is 04/11 (EB2 I) and I almost forgot about GC, thinking it is going to take very long time, but the rapid advancement of PD in last few bulletins has been exciting news and made me to study this more. I hope the Govt. does something to help our EB3 brothers also (HR 3012 and some other immigration changes like diversion of some of DV lottery visas to EB categories, etc.).
TRACKITT TRENDQuote:
Originally Posted by Spectator
Following is a compare of the EB2 row and EB1 trend so far. The month of Jan is still in progress so the overall 2012 tally will be higher finally. All data is for primary approved cases from Oct – Jan for the respective years.
EB1 (A+B+C)
2011 - 17+21+23 = 61
2012 - 23+42+92 = 157
The number of EB1C approvals is almost at 4 times of last year. While EB1A is at the same level EB1B vases are also double now this may indicate that the impact of the Kazarian memo is now receding. Most EB1C cases will use up more visas as these folks are less likely to have us born kids as a lot of them will be in the age group 35-40 when they would have filed I140 & I485. Most of Trackitt EB1C is from India so the data should not be taken at absolute face value. The trend correlates well with high I140 approvals just prior to the start of FY 2012.
EB2 ROW
2011 - 108
2012 – 158
EB2 row is still underperforming but has picked up from the 50% line; row has a tendency to pick up later in the year. Partly this may have been due to the prevailing wage stoppage.
For now it appears that the 12K SOFAD that we got from EB1 will most likely not be available this year. EB2 ROW will hopefully compensate some of the loss. Also the Oct filers / Nov filers (Very Few) approvals for EB2 I/C have slowed down they have not been all inclusive either for Oct filers, normally when numbers are available in good supply everyone gets approved.
This maybe just my theory, I believe that CO allocated the entire 5.6K India / China annual cap in Oct itself in the month of Oct QSP quantity / volume cannot be judged. The rest of the approvals which is easily 12K including porting have come by quarterly spillover. This way CO is in fact ahead of QSP at this point and a very significant portion of the SOFAD has been used.
Good luck to everyone for the next VB which might go either way. Demand destruction is a factor for the new intake however this year since the wiggle room offered by the SOFAD left is not very much it will not significantly impact the approval line. For example an OR of .8 as opposed to 1 just causes a difference of ~ 2K numbers assuming that SOFAD will be 22K and 12K is consumed so 10K is left.