DREAMERS - Deferred Action Process for Young People Who Are Low Enforcement Priority

[Spectator]

Ron Gotcher's (https://twitter.com/ImmInfo1) one and only tweet during the duration of the AILA Conference.


Something Is going on. The USCIS Dir Got pulled off the plane And didn't speak Speculation is a big announcement coming

about 2 hours ago via Mobile Web

I doubt very much it will be about EB.

Still, we all like a good rumour.

[chengisk]

Ron Gotcher's (https://twitter.com/ImmInfo1) one and only tweet during the duration of the AILA Conference.



I doubt very much it will be about EB.

Still, we all like a good rumour.

Guess it is got something to do with this.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h2rMiN8T4NLCHPB0pl-VRWCATxyg?docId=3260ee1dbc2f43638498e4b4e9aae1e3

[kd2008]

Guess it is got something to do with this.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h2rMiN8T4NLCHPB0pl-VRWCATxyg?docId=3260ee1dbc2f43638498e4b4e9aae1e3

Yup, Obama offered back door amnesty to illegal immigrants brought here as children. They will not be deported, they get EADs renewable every 2 years indefinitely.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/06/15/us/politics/ap-us-obama-immigration.html?hp

We are such suckers to follow laws and wait our turn. We are all bunch of losers!

[openaccount]

WOW 800K that is a huge number USCIS will need lots of resources, this will have effect on regular EAD processing

[Spectator]

Yup, Obama offered back door amnesty to illegal immigrants brought here as children. They will not be deported, they get EADs renewable every 2 years indefinitely.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/06/15/us/politics/ap-us-obama-immigration.html?hp

We are such suckers to follow laws and wait our turn. We are all bunch of losers!Official Announcement (http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/20120612-napolitano-announces-deferred-action-process-for-young-people.shtm) from DHS.

USCIS can't process EADs in a timely manner already.

[kd2008]

Official Announcement (http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/20120612-napolitano-announces-deferred-action-process-for-young-people.shtm) from DHS.

USCIS can't process EADs in a timely manner already.

I bet they will process these cases free of charge and levy us all with exorbitant fees. And also endless wait to process our cases.

This just shows how capricious the system is. Here we were a few months ago basking in 1 May 2010 COD for EB2IC. And look at the mountain we have surmount now. I am pretty certain USCIS wont give a flying F about us now beyond taking our money and making our life hell.

[tatikonda]

Ron Gotcher's (https://twitter.com/ImmInfo1) one and only tweet during the duration of the AILA Conference.



I doubt very much it will be about EB.

Still, we all like a good rumour.

It appears to be regarding DREAMERS... not EB2..
he has few twitt updates now ..

[PD2008AUG25]

It appears to be regarding DREAMERS... not EB2..
he has few twitt updates now ..

He is hoping something more...

Rumor is that there will be more announcements on other immigration subject very shortly.

https://twitter.com/ImmInfo1/status/213648748113432576

[openaccount]

Another tweet from Ron Gotcher

Rumor is that there will be more announcements on other immigration subject very shortly.

[ontheedge]

This definitely is a cause for concern from a USCIS processing POV. Can they handle this flood of EADs? They will need to seriously augment their resources.

I posted this query in the advocacy forum as well - what impact this may have on HR 3012 and similar bills?

[GhostWriter]

And these new numbers will not be added to their country of origin for the 7% cap as that is for EB + FB only !!. They should create a category for illegal immigration and assign it an annual quota. Then we will hope that if the numbers in the illegal category are not used we will get spillover to EB2.
Given the smart people on this forum Dept of Homeland Security will be surprised when we will start forecasting number of illegal immigrants every year :)


Yup, Obama offered back door amnesty to illegal immigrants brought here as children. They will not be deported, they get EADs renewable every 2 years indefinitely.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/06/15/us/politics/ap-us-obama-immigration.html?hp

We are such suckers to follow laws and wait our turn. We are all bunch of losers!

[bieber]

Spec, the big announcement is amnesty for young people

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18460894

election year and cheap political tactic from administration, tomorrow it would be Romney 49% Obama 42%

I wonder why something like this won't need congress approval, after he loses obamacare in supreme court this month, this will be next in line

[ontheedge]

Bieber, I was surprised by this as well. How does this not have to be approved by the congress and the senate? This is basically fulfilling all the reforms listed in the DREAM ACT.

[GhostWriter]

"The decision is a political coup that undoubtedly will energise Mr Obama's sagging campaign. He is using his prosecutorial discretion to bypass Congress' inaction on immigration reform."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18460894

see the analysis section on right.




Bieber, I was surprised by this as well. How does this not have to be approved by the congress and the senate? This is basically fulfilling all the reforms listed in the DREAM ACT.

[qesehmk]

While it could very well be politically motivated, we on this forum don't engage in bringing down other immigrants - legal or illegal. So let's take it easy. As far as EB is concerned - this doesnt impact EB - at least not directly.

[immitime]

While it could very well be politically motivated, we on this forum don't engage in bringing down other immigrants - legal or illegal. So let's take it easy. As far as EB is concerned - this doesnt impact EB - at least not directly.

Q, that is true that this is politically motivated. But "Illegal immigrants" are not immigrants at all they are fence jumpers! This does impact EB if they are not increasing the staff to process EAD/AP..because around 80,000 more EAD sneaking in to process!.

[qesehmk]

immitime - yes they may be fence jumpers. So is it their fault that they are not bringing in smallpox or chickenpox infested blankets with them? Or not bringing guns with them? That's how the Native population was conquered 300 years back in North and Southern America (probably a couple of centuries earlier).

People are people and will seek better life. Its everybody's right to pursue good life. The national boundaries is becoming an artificial concept. Why do we get sucked into the debate of legal or illegal?

Besides those who are opposed to "illegal" immigration are the same people who are opposed to legal immigration as well. If all immigrants don't stand together - it becomes all the more difficult for all of them. Check out this poem written during holocaust in Germany. http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php?120-First-they-came-for-By-Martin-Niemoller


But "Illegal immigrants" are not immigrants at all they are fence jumpers!

[pdfeb09]

Q, that is true that this is politically motivated. But "Illegal immigrants" are not immigrants at all they are fence jumpers! This does impact EB if they are not increasing the staff to process EAD/AP..because around 80,000 more EAD sneaking in to process!.

I know this is a touchy issue. I do not mean to offend or judge anyone. I also understand that this is a political maneuver by the President. However, I do think that we NEED NOT get riled up over this action.

Think about who is getting the benefit of this action. The young people who have been in this country for a long time and came here because their parents brought them here.

About us, we came here of our own discretion and, believe it or not, if worst comes worst, we do have a place to go back and am sure each one of us will do fine if we did have to go back.

Would the beneficiaries of today's action have that option?

Legal or illegal is defined by the laws created by senators and congressman anyways. We know what motivates them to do anything.

Lets not bicker about it.

Yes, we MAY be affected indirectly in terms of delayed processing, but this does not affect the number of EB visas available, nor does it cause any direct adverse effect.

This is the last I will comment on this topic. Just my thoughts. You are absolutely welcome to differ or agree.

[kd2008]

Now that my boiling blood is cooling down a bit, here are my thoughts:

This is an executive order. If the next President is Republican, this can be overturned with a snap of a finger. So if you were an illegal immigrant would you risk telling the government you are so? just for work authorization? and no path to citizenship? Some will, some won't.

Also, these poor schlubs will get a taste of what USCIS is really like.

[geterdone]

it's all about how much political clout you have or how much vote it can bring. it doesn't matter if legal immigration especially eb is broken, we are not a powerful group so nobody cares, some 80 yr od guy can put a hold and screw us.

They also can apply for a work permit that will be good for two years with no limits on how many times it can be renewed and if you are in eb2 you will get ead for 1 yr?????

[vizcard]

So given the potentially delayed processing time, should we be applying for Ead renewals sooner rather than later? I imagine the 90 day processing will potentially be a lot higher.

[soggadu]

immitime - yes they may be fence jumpers. So is it their fault that they are not bringing in smallpox or chickenpox infested blankets with them? Or not bringing guns with them? That's how the Native population was conquered 300 years back in North and Southern America (probably a couple of centuries earlier).

People are people and will seek better life. Its everybody's right to pursue good life. The national boundaries is becoming an artificial concept. Why do we get sucked into the debate of legal or illegal?

Besides those who are opposed to "illegal" immigration are the same people who are opposed to legal immigration as well. If all immigrants don't stand together - it becomes all the more difficult for all of them. Check out this poem written during holocaust in Germany. http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php?120-First-they-came-for-By-Martin-Niemoller

I totally agree with Q... This country itself is formed on the basis of immigration... and we cannot blame certain country or race for whats happening...
illegal immigration is an animal instinct which is in all of us by nature... for ex: In my office i sit near a water dispenser unit and often see people going to the water dispenser which has water than the one's that needed to be replaced with water bottle... same thing... US has more oppurtunities so people come in by all means not caring what change they can make in their own country ( you and i are not an exception too though we took the legal path )...

My 2 cents... Live and Let Live...

[immitime]

immitime - yes they may be fence jumpers. So is it their fault that they are not bringing in smallpox or chickenpox infested blankets with them? Or not bringing guns with them? That's how the Native population was conquered 300 years back in North and Southern America (probably a couple of centuries earlier).

People are people and will seek better life. Its everybody's right to pursue good life. The national boundaries is becoming an artificial concept. Why do we get sucked into the debate of legal or illegal?

Besides those who are opposed to "illegal" immigration are the same people who are opposed to legal immigration as well. If all immigrants don't stand together - it becomes all the more difficult for all of them. Check out this poem written during holocaust in Germany. http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php?120-First-they-came-for-By-Martin-Niemoller

Q, Logically this is ok, but no immigrants stand together nowadays.. there are groups inside groups. if you take EB immigration of India, there is a gap between EB1,EB2 & EB3is it not?? correct me If I am wrong and in a general way, Laws are made to control things, We cannot compare what happened in History and now!. Changes are beyond comparison!

[qesehmk]

Immitime - you are right. Certainly don't want to visit yesteryears' incidents. Also you are right that there are groups within groups. But at the end of the day - everybody's objective is to pursue a better life. That was the point I was trying to make.

We don't have to agree on everything. Just wanted to put my perspective across. And it was worth it given we got to see Soggadu's dancing Avatar after a loooong time!! Hope you are doing great Soggadu!

[soggadu]

Q, Logically this is ok, but no immigrants stand together nowadays.. there are groups inside groups. if you take EB immigration of India, there is a gap between EB1,EB2 & EB3is it not?? correct me If I am wrong and in a general way, Laws are made to control things, We cannot compare what happened in History and now!. Changes are beyond comparison!

immi bhai...little change of words... in the present world scenario... Laws are made to make profit ( either it be politics or anything else )... even many of our county police department issues more tickets for raising money to meet the needs in the disguise of maintaining law...

arey mein toh bolta hoon " Lag gayi Law and order ki"!!!!!

[ontheedge]

immitime - yes they may be fence jumpers. So is it their fault that they are not bringing in smallpox or chickenpox infested blankets with them? Or not bringing guns with them? That's how the Native population was conquered 300 years back in North and Southern America (probably a couple of centuries earlier).

People are people and will seek better life. Its everybody's right to pursue good life. The national boundaries is becoming an artificial concept. Why do we get sucked into the debate of legal or illegal?

Besides those who are opposed to "illegal" immigration are the same people who are opposed to legal immigration as well. If all immigrants don't stand together - it becomes all the more difficult for all of them. Check out this poem written during holocaust in Germany. http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php?120-First-they-came-for-By-Martin-Niemoller

Well said, Q. I am not opposed to any immigrant group getting help; legal, illegal, undocumented...whatever moniker we want to attach to the groups.

However, clearly political moves like these will be met with cynicism. Also, was any thought given to the potential processing load that an already malfunctioning agency may get as a result? Probably not. To kd's point, after the intial euphoria subsides, DREAMERs will have to make a tough decision whether to come forward ot not. This order can be overturned by a new Republican president.

[soggadu]

I
We don't have to agree on everything. Just wanted to put my perspective across. And it was worth it given we got to see Soggadu's dancing Avatar after a loooong time!! Hope you are doing great Soggadu!

I am good Q... We had a baby boy recently so sleepy days chal rahe hein... but i still visit this forum atleast once a day...kya karien control nahi hota!!!!

[qesehmk]

Many many congtratulations Soggadu!! How did I miss the news!! Anyway ... enjoy changing diapers. Costco ones are the cheapest and best quality... (3 saal poorana experience hain... galat ho to maaf karana :) )
I am good Q... We had a baby boy recently so sleepy days chal rahe hein... but i still visit this forum atleast once a day...kya karien control nahi hota!!!!

[tatikonda]

He is hoping something more...

Rumor is that there will be more announcements on other immigration subject very shortly.

https://twitter.com/ImmInfo1/status/213648748113432576

I am not expecting anything for EB community.. DREAMERs plan in already big and not expecting anything more ..

Just for Fun .. What do guys predict, if anything for EB Community.

1) no country quota
2) no waiting for dates to be current, can file 1-485 as soon as I-140 approved.
3) EAD for H4 candidates
4) No Inclusion of dependents for visa numbers.
5) recapture of old unused visa number ..

Pick any one ..

Thank you

[soggadu]

Many many congtratulations Soggadu!! How did I miss the news!! Anyway ... enjoy changing diapers. Costco ones are the cheapest and best quality... (3 saal poorana experience hain... galat ho to maaf karana :) )

thank you Q... lol.... for now we are sensitively pampering him with pampers...

[soggadu]

I am not expecting anything for EB community.. DREAMERs plan in already big and not expecting anything more ..

Just for Fun .. What do guys predict, if anything for EB Community.

1) no country quota
2) no waiting for dates to be current, can file 1-485 as soon as I-140 approved.
3) EAD for H4 candidates
4) No Inclusion of dependents for visa numbers.
5) recapture of old unused visa number ..

Pick any one ..

Thank you

konda garu... get up from your dreams!!!!

lol... I would like to see 1 and 3 becoming a reality very soon... but below is my list along with yours... for fun...

6) have happy hour rates for drinks on all visa bulletin release dates ( works both ways ;-) )

[Mavrick]

I strong believe that what Obama has done today for DREAMERs will trigger something good for skilled immigration community. This is a election year and anything is possible.


I am not expecting anything for EB community.. DREAMERs plan in already big and not expecting anything more ..

Just for Fun .. What do guys predict, if anything for EB Community.

1) no country quota
2) no waiting for dates to be current, can file 1-485 as soon as I-140 approved.
3) EAD for H4 candidates
4) No Inclusion of dependents for visa numbers.
5) recapture of old unused visa number ..

Pick any one ..

Thank you

[Mavrick]

Q,

I have to disagree on this issue - Amazon diapers are the cheapest and best.

P.S: I think moderators going to have hard time shelving this posts at right place :)
Many many congtratulations Soggadu!! How did I miss the news!! Anyway ... enjoy changing diapers. Costco ones are the cheapest and best quality... (3 saal poorana experience hain... galat ho to maaf karana :) )

[TorreyPines]

I am not expecting anything for EB community.. DREAMERs plan in already big and not expecting anything more ..

Just for Fun .. What do guys predict, if anything for EB Community.

1) no country quota
2) no waiting for dates to be current, can file 1-485 as soon as I-140 approved.
3) EAD for H4 candidates
4) No Inclusion of dependents for visa numbers.
5) recapture of old unused visa number ..

Pick any one ..

Thank you

In his State of Union speech, he did mention about young illegal immigrants and something should be done favorable for such people. So, there was something in pipeline.

Obama till date did not sound favorable to EB immigrants except for retaining incoming STEM degree students/folks (State of Union speech). He didn't mention anything directly about people "already" in the queue. So, I wouldn't expect anything from him but be very happy to be wrong. I/C is noise for him in regards to numbers.

On the other front, this new policy makes Grassley look like a dumb idiot. It's a slap on his face. If his aging brain remembers any of this "hold/anti-H1B" stuff, he will be under sever pressure to reconsider his position very soon just because, on immigration front, scoreboard says DEMS +1 , REPS 0.

Obama, well played. Extremely carefully scripted policy. Still anti- EB immigration till date.

[Mavrick]

Torreypines,

Retaining STEM degree folks indirectly implies clearing legal immigration queue because all of the STEM graduates are part of legal immigration queue.

I strongly agree that what Obama has done today is slap on Grassley's face. I bet Grassley and other republicans will create lot of noise about this move in coming days but Obama got all of Hispanic votes in his pocket already.


In his State of Union speech, he did mention about young illegal immigrants and something should be done favorable for such people. So, there was something in pipeline.

Obama till date did not sound favorable to legal immigrants except for retaining incoming STEM degree students/folks (State of Union speech). He didn't mention anything directly about people "already" in the queue. So, I wouldn't expect anything from him but be very happy to be wrong. I/C is noise for him in regards to numbers.

On the other front, this new policy makes Grassley look like a dumb idiot. It's a slap on his face. If his aging brain remembers any of this "hold/anti-H1B" stuff, he will be under sever pressure to reconsider his position very soon just because, on immigration front, scoreboard says DEMS +1 , REPS 0.

Obama, well played. Extremely carefully scripted policy. Still anti- legal immigration till date.

[bvsamrat]

Yes . On the dot. We do not have to indulge comenting on what may happen with other categories other than speculating what effect it might bring on us - good or bad. Actually HB1 is for temperory workers who have minimum defined rights and even GC may not give any addtional rights unless you become citizen. Then we will start having evry right to grudge about. Til then AOS only


While it could very well be politically motivated, we on this forum don't engage in bringing down other immigrants - legal or illegal. So let's take it easy. As far as EB is concerned - this doesnt impact EB - at least not directly.

[immitime]

Many many congtratulations Soggadu!! How did I miss the news!! Anyway ... enjoy changing diapers. Costco ones are the cheapest and best quality... (3 saal poorana experience hain... galat ho to maaf karana :) )

Q, yes true, Congrats Soggadu! May GOD Bless your little one, with health, wealth and of course US Citizenship! pun intended!

[qesehmk]

LoL!! I remember one of my friends' wife mentioning this the other day!


Q,

I have to disagree on this issue - Amazon diapers are the cheapest and best.

P.S: I think moderators going to have hard time shelving this posts at right place :)

[TorreyPines]

Torreypines,

Retaining STEM degree folks indirectly implies clearing legal immigration queue because all of the STEM graduates are part of legal immigration queue.

I strongly agree that what Obama has done today is slap on Grassley's face. I bet Grassley and other republicans will create lot of noise about this move in coming days but Obama got all of Hispanic votes in his pocket already.

I agree with you to some extent. But to retain STEM graduates, he doesn't have to give them GCs.

He can start with:
A) Expand majors under STEM umbrella.
B) Stand in a existing/ special queue (EB1D?) as soon as you have STEM degree.
C) More extended CPTs/OPTs.
D) Increasing existing 20K STEM H1Bs.

These things doesn't necessarily benefit existing EB queue. May be make things worse for existing EBIC as it will benefit ROW graduates equally.

[vizcard]

Realistic impact of this law:
1. Potentially half a million unskilled or under skilled additional workers that may affect the already high unemployment. I assuming 300k are skilled workers and/or can now take legit jobs.
2. Threat of deportation for the parents still exists.
3. Obama gets Hispanic vote.
4. Work load for USCIS increases and consequently processing times. Counter-argument is that the USCIS will hire more ppl.

[srimurthy]

And the payrolls for the new staff would come from H1 and GC fees.
Lawyers are reporting higher incomes.


Realistic impact of this law:
1. Potentially half a million unskilled or under skilled additional workers that may affect the already high unemployment. I assuming 300k are skilled workers and/or can now take legit jobs.
2. Threat of deportation for the parents still exists.
3. Obama gets Hispanic vote.
4. Work load for USCIS increases and consequently processing times. Counter-argument is that the USCIS will hire more ppl.

[gs1968]

To kd2008,Q and others

This is a very clever but bold move by President Obama and is probably in response to some recent high-profile cases as below
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/30/11959331-almost-deported-valedictorian-daniela-pelaez-helps-introduce-immigration-reform-bill?lite

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/02/2671642/thousands-protest-ruling-to-deport.html

http://latinoedbeat.org/2012/06/13/last-minute-reprieve-saves-virginia-high-school-graduate-from-deportation/

http://www.indystar.com/article/20120601/LOCAL/206010357/Elizabeth-Olivas-returns-Indiana-after-weeks-stuck-Mexico?odyssey=nav%7Chead

He would have liked to wait till after the election to do this but I feel that his hand was forced somewhat by the recent stories. It might help him with the Hispanic vote but I feel he would have won them anyway by a large margin. The parameters for deferred deportation have been carefully plotted and the position he has taken will resonate with most reasonable people in this country including Republicans. The people who do not like this action would not have voted for him anyway. By specifying that the beneficiaries should be present in the US at the time of enactment of this memo he has ensured that future illegal immigrants will not benefit from this. Also by stating that they should have entered as a minor under the age of 16,adult illegal immigrants are excluded. Also setting educational requirements ensures that the opposition to this is minimal. I do accept the possibility mentioned by kd2008 that the next President can rescind the EO but in practice this rarely happens. An example would be Temporary Protected Status (TPS) granted to certain countries affected by war or natural calamities (El Salvador,Haiti,Liberia etc) which continue to be renewed every 2 years by successive Presidents. A lot of the people who got TPS status entered the country illegally and continue to live here and this almost constitutes a backdoor amnesty.
As to how many people will come forward for the DREAM deferred-action memo,this is anybody's guess. However if we draw a parallel to the TPS scenario-this is invariably greater numbers than what was initially estimated

Also after the initial hue and cry all of this furor will settle down. Most Americans see this segment of the illegal population in their neighborhoods/schools and have sympathy for them. I personally feel that this EO does not go far enough and leaves them in limbo forever but it might put pressure on Congress to act on a more substantial,long-term,permanent fix (wishful thinking!!)

[murali83]

Well,

Here is my take on this issue. Strictly political here, I dont believe it affects our situation from an immigration stand point.

Some posters have pointed out that this is a brilliant political move by Obama, I disagree. I think as far as black and latino voters are concerned the lines are already drawn. He is not going to gain much on the latino front, he is already maxed out on that. 67% of latino's root for him and that number wont move forward with this announcement, because I believe the rest 33% are and will continue to be republican.

He made this move with a calculation that the remaining 33% will root for him (For those who follow Indian politics, I believe this is very much like Vajpayees's green turban in Jan 2004 which flopped miserably). What Obama in my opinion has done is alienated the remaining non black and non hispanic voters, liberal who were willing to give him another chance. If the republicans dont screw this up, they can lap up an extra 5% white vote on this platform without losing their 33% latino vote. I mean that 33% will come to them, if after all these years, they vote republican, obama's amnesty to dreamers will not change that.

As an early indication, Gallup shows 46 for romney and 45 for obama. I think if republicans play this issue in a low key way, romney can scale up 2 more points and make it 48 to 43.

[mesan123]

Congrats Soggadu Bhai...Congrats to vadina too :).. so what did you name the little one??


I am good Q... We had a baby boy recently so sleepy days chal rahe hein... but i still visit this forum atleast once a day...kya karien control nahi hota!!!!

[gcq]

murali83,
Well commented. I agree !

[Eb2_Dec07]

In the latest regulations passed by president for illegal immigrant children , do we know if there are any remediable provisions for employment based .

[murali83]

The most practical lobbying the EB community can make is to remove the restrictions on ead and allow ead holders to work for any employer without this restriction on job title and function. That itself is like a practical green card.

[tatikonda]

The most practical lobbying the EB community can make is to remove the restrictions on ead and allow ead holders to work for any employer without this restriction on job title and function. That itself is like a practical green card.

I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
GC Card is future employment, for which we are following all the steps (PERM, I-140, Etc) assuming that you would work for the employer after getting GC. How can you say that even before you get your GC you have to remove restrictions ... ( FYI - you can process ur GC without working for that employer assuming that you would work for that employer in future )..

[vizcard]

In the latest regulations passed by president for illegal immigrant children , do we know if there are any remediable provisions for employment based .

I have not seen any press articles on remedial provisions for EB.

[gcq]

I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
GC Card is future employment, for which we are following all the steps (PERM, I-140, Etc) assuming that you would work for the employer after getting GC. How can you say that even before you get your GC you have to remove restrictions ... ( FYI - you can process ur GC without working for that employer assuming that you would work for that employer in future )..

The reason for removing the restrictions ? It is discriminatory. INA only restricts people from getting GC approval subject to country quota. It doesn't say people have to be treated differently based on their country of origin.

Compare a ROW applicant to an Indian applicant:
ROW and Indian are equally qualified so they are eligible to be treated identically except for visa allocation ( country cap)
ROW gets his GC in X years. After X years on getting GC, he is free to do whatever he wants ( freedom)
An Indian despite being discriminated in visa allocation( INA allows that), has to deal with AC21 requirement, EAD renewal etc.
Indian has to have a same or similar job( AC21), have to satisfy all other conditions of a pending applications even after X+Y years.

[ksur23]

I absolutely agree, when a derivative gets ead it is like them getting a gc, also I believe L visa holders' spouses have the same flexibility. If the primary is given the same flexibility then there would be no frustration just like how gc to citizenship is usually not something people worry about. That a gc is given for future employment to fulfill shortage of labor/expertise is not a valid argument as a gc grant is not necessary for that. When the government is looking to confer permanent residency the intent is to provide flexibility. If the U.S. government only intends to have workers in low-supply areas then just worker visas would suffice. I think the idea behind gc is to encourage aliens to achieve their potential productivity in whatever fields chosen. This may not be in the written words but I am sure that's the intent.

[ksur23]

The most practical lobbying the EB community can make is to remove the restrictions on ead and allow ead holders to work for any employer without this restriction on job title and function. That itself is like a practical green card.

Murali,

I absolutely agree, when a derivative gets ead it is like them getting a gc, also I believe L visa holders' spouses have the same flexibility. If the primary is given the same flexibility then there would be no frustration just like how gc to citizenship is usually not something people worry about. That a gc is given for future employment to fulfill shortage of labor/expertise is not a valid argument as a gc grant is not necessary for that. When the government is looking to confer permanent residency the intent is to provide flexibility. If the U.S. government only intends to have workers in low-supply areas then just worker visas would suffice. I think the idea behind gc is to encourage aliens to achieve their potential productivity in whatever fields chosen. This may not be in the written words but I am sure that's the intent.

[murali83]

I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
GC Card is future employment, for which we are following all the steps (PERM, I-140, Etc) assuming that you would work for the employer after getting GC. How can you say that even before you get your GC you have to remove restrictions ... ( FYI - you can process ur GC without working for that employer assuming that you would work for that employer in future )..

In that event AC 21 also should not exist, it anyway lets you change employers albeit with some restrictions.

[immitime]

Oh oh oh my....what is this?? Real politics!

Look who is asking this?

"Moreover under current law some forgein students and other legal visa holders are prohibited from obtaining work authorizations giving illegal immigrants an advantage over those who play by the Rules!!!!!!!!"Sen.Grassley on his letter to The President. (page number 2, 1st Paragraph)

http://www.grassley.senate.gov/about/upload/061920123.pdf

Mr. Grassley now You have no moral authority to hold H.R. 3012:p

[getsaby]

Came across this article today, I am like a pendulum whenever I read something about DACA.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/504591-reflections-of-an-immigrant-why-accepting-daca-is-wrong

[qesehmk]

Came across this article today, I am like a pendulum whenever I read something about DACA.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/504591-reflections-of-an-immigrant-why-accepting-daca-is-wrong
I am just curious how does this affect you personally?

[getsaby]

Personally, it doesn’t affect me at all, just like a fire nearby my house doesn’t affect me personally, someone getting robbed in front of me doesn’t affect me personally…

My point is no one should get an easy pass, it took 2+ years for H4EAD to see the light that’s what affects me personally…everyone should get in whatever line (employment + family), congress should make them eligible for FB category and let them also enjoy the ride…

[Zenzone]

Personally, it doesn’t affect me at all, just like a fire nearby my house doesn’t affect me personally, someone getting robbed in front of me doesn’t affect me personally…

My point is no one should get an easy pass, it took 2+ years for H4EAD to see the light that’s what affects me personally…everyone should get in whatever line (employment + family), congress should make them eligible for FB category and let them also enjoy the ride…

H4 EAD seeing the light? Not sure if I understand.

[qesehmk]

Personally, it doesn’t affect me at all, just like a fire nearby my house doesn’t affect me personally, someone getting robbed in front of me doesn’t affect me personally…

My point is no one should get an easy pass, it took 2+ years for H4EAD to see the light that’s what affects me personally…everyone should get in whatever line (employment + family), congress should make them eligible for FB category and let them also enjoy the ride…
I think there are two kinds of justices. One is legal justice that goes by the book. And the other is moral justice based on an innate sense of human values that reside in our minds. Either existence or even lack of certain laws can be immoral and unjust.

If we simple went by book, slavery would never be abolished or women would never have the votes or the disabled can be fired at will and so on and so forth. Not only that, if the women complained that slavery being abolished before women get to vote is not fair, then too progress would have been slower.

Applying the same logic to immigration, while it would be golden to have DACA and EB backlog resolved simultaneously in immigrants favor; only one getting resolved does improve the status quo and justice. Thus one should applaud either and both.

It is natural to focus on our own needs. But to say others should not receive justice before me is - I don't know what to say.

[Zenzone]

I think there are two kinds of justices. One is legal justice that goes by the book. And the other is moral justice based on an innate sense of human values that reside in our minds. Either existence or even lack of certain laws can be immoral and unjust.

If we simple went by book, slavery would never be abolished or women would never have the votes or the disabled can be fired at will and so on and so forth. Not only that, if the women complained that slavery being abolished before women get to vote is not fair, then too progress would have been slower.

Applying the same logic to immigration, while it would be golden to have DACA and EB backlog resolved simultaneously in immigrants favor; only one getting resolved does improve the status quo and justice. Thus one should applaud either and both.

It is natural to focus on our own needs. But to say others should not receive justice before me is - I don't know what to say.

Impressively put!