S386 GOP Politics and Sen. Durbin

[qesehmk]

Head of the thread updated with final conclusion (at least as of today).

If there are no further comments for next 2-3 days, we will close this topic.

[FarAwayfromGC]

My conclusion is not based in belief. My conclusion is based on what I am seeing. I will explain that in a minute. But first I just want to say that for your own benefit it is better to not make this partisan topic. Simply study recent history of immigration since 2000 and you will see that a section of GOP is totally anti-immigrants. And so the key to any immigration bill is DEMs+moderate republicans. To my knowledge there are virtually no DEMs that oppose immigration. You simply do not know history enough and are picking non-meritworthy points to say DEMs are anti-legal-immigration. That is not correct. Since 2000 DEMs have tried a lot but it was always republican congress that blocked any bill. Durbin was part of Gang of 8 along with rubio, mccain, schumer etc.

Regarding Durbin it is ample clear that he is totally amenable. He is already shown willingness to let go the so called "poison pill" of increasing quota. I am totally amazed that IV - the eternal moron brigade - doesn't blame republicans ever for not wanting to increase EB quota and yet when Durbin let go this demand and is willing to work on the rest they fail to recognize his good intentions.

Second - durbin not only had an agreement done with Lee but also was able to get his party on board with him. That is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE.

Why can't we say the same about GOP side? It is because they never had ANY intention to pass S386. That is the reason first they had Sen. Lee, a lightweight senator, sponsor it. Because no serious GOP senator wants this failure in case they are not successful on pinning it on Durbin.

Durbin and Lee both knew walking in yesterday and day before yesterday what the outcome was going to be. Their moves were like chess moves. But Durbin not only outplayed Lee but that he did it in a dignified way. He exposed GOP without getting personal with Lee. The same can not be said about Lee who had a very hard time containing his frustration with his own party but he tried unsuccessfully to pin it on Durbin. His arguments were bizarre. e.g. On one had he was party to the Dec agreement where both him and Durbin had acknowledged that they have to get their parties on board. So Durbin never said Lee had his party with him. But Lee said he agreed with the agreement against his better judgement. Now that's an after the fact 20/20 when Lee failed to get his part on board. The poor guy learnt it hard way that he is made Bakara or sacrificial lamb here.

The reason I say Durbin is a gentlman, is because Durbin has been silent all along, playing these games without hurting his GOP partner Lee. He said no word that will show Lee in poor light despite the failure of Lee. Durbin's bill about children was also something that had ZERO implications on american workers. Lee has no objection to it. But he knew his party was not with him and as a junior member of GOP, he can not expose his party. So he had to concoct some BS why he has to object.

I mean, if you and IV can not see these games, seriously guys return the donations to people and stop this damn advocacy. You guys are mucking it up and hurting any chances with Biden administration by being so partisan and person with a person who actually is our friend.

I think I do know the source of IV's partisan attitude. But i am going to bite my tongue here and say that each person please take a deep breath and evaluate the situation with the framework of thought I am applying. You will likely than not come to the same conclusion as me.


Q,

I understand your points and agree with your argument. I did not say Republicans are friends of legal immigration , I said people had bad experience during Democrats rule. BTW, I respect your service to the community . I am no fan of IV or GOP . All politicians are same including Durbin.

[qesehmk]

Q,

I understand your points and agree with your argument. I did not say Republicans are friends of legal immigration , I said people had bad experience during Democrats rule. BTW, I respect your service to the community . I am no fan of IV or GOP . All politicians are same including Durbin.

No worries my friend. I have personally beaten this topic to death because I strongly felt that Durbin who is jewish, and actually loves India and is pro-immigration was unnecessarily getting bad mouthed by IV.

As far as you and I are concerned, we are on the same side. Our perspectives may be slightly different but goal is the same. Alleviate this suffering of ALL backlogged folks. Good luck to you!

[gs1968]

https://www.lexisnexis.com/LegalNewsRoom/immigration/b/outsidenews/posts/impending-uscis-furloughs-will-contribute-to-a-historic-drop-in-u-s-immigration-levels-mpi

I really hope that some kind of additional funding is included in one of these upcoming mega bills to avoid this. This will have devastating consequences for the last 4 months of the year

[gs1968]

This from Indian Immigration forum @theimmiforum

BREAKING NEWS! Watch this space for news to evolve on #S386!

We are thankful to those who support positive advocacy. We will continue to fight for rights of immigrants in the backlog.

Is something in the offing? There is no noise from the other more prominent organizations from both sides

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

This from Indian Immigration forum @theimmiforum

BREAKING NEWS! Watch this space for news to evolve on #S386!

We are thankful to those who support positive advocacy. We will continue to fight for rights of immigrants in the backlog.

Is something in the offing? There is no noise from the other more prominent organizations from both sides

Apparently Durbin has restarted negotiations again with Lee.

[gs1968]

Apparently Durbin has restarted negotiations again with Lee.

That is awesome news although it is hard to see where the middle ground is. Sen. Durbin has almost run out the clock and is negotiating from a position of strength.

[idliman]

That is awesome news although it is hard to see where the middle ground is. Sen. Durbin has almost run out the clock and is negotiating from a position of strength.
Just one poison pill is enough. With the state of affairs, even a quarter poison (toddler strength potion) will do. I feel Déjà vu all over again.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

CIR is not happening any time in the near future no matter who comes to power so to look at that as a means to reduce the backlogs is a dead end. If current admin comes back, they still will likely lose the House and at a minimum there will be 2 more years or gridlock. Even if Biden wins, there are going to be far more important things to do as a matter of priority: dispense the vaccines, repair the economy and get people back to work and that rightfully will be most important.

[AceMan]

Just one poison pill is enough. With the state of affairs, even a quarter poison (toddler strength potion) will do. I feel Déjà vu all over again.

Even though we have seen this story running in various formats for last 10 years, the story attracts the same loyal viewers looking for a different end.

[excalibur123]

That is awesome news although it is hard to see where the middle ground is. Sen. Durbin has almost run out the clock and is negotiating from a position of strength.

This is just for optics. When this is not passed and he’s blamed for it for years down the line, he can always claim he tried multiple times for it. Future-proofing himself.

[gs1968]

Apparently Durbin has restarted negotiations again with Lee.

I strongly feel that this must have been the other way around. Sen. Durbin has no incentive to negotiate after what happened on the senate floor. There is limited time before the August recess and momentum is hard to regain. Sen. Durbin objected to the bill last September and its nearly 10 months since. I am sure they have been talking all this time to break the impasse. Hopefully there is a resolution

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

I strongly feel that this must have been the other way around. Sen. Durbin has no incentive to negotiate after what happened on the senate floor. There is limited time before the August recess and momentum is hard to regain. Sen. Durbin objected to the bill last September and its nearly 10 months since. I am sure they have been talking all this time to break the impasse. Hopefully there is a resolution

My usual view is that the party with the majority holds the upper hand and the bargaining power because ultimately Lee needs the ok from McConnell to do anything on the floor.

[android09]

My usual view is that the party with the majority holds the upper hand and the bargaining power because ultimately Lee needs the ok from McConnell to do anything on the floor.

All drama and tactics. The draft of Durbin's negotiation is already floating around. D knows august recess starts in 2 days and the Senate will have already checked out. He leaks things at 5:00 pm Getting Lee to agree without checking with other republicans will not happen. This when the Republicans cant agree on their own COVID relief package. Will they focus on the covid bill or this?....Lee will object if this thing is brought to a UC tomorrow.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

All drama and tactics. The draft of Durbin's negotiation is already floating around. D knows august recess starts in 2 days and the Senate will have already checked out. He leaks things at 5:00 pm Getting Lee to agree without checking with other republicans will not happen. This when the Republicans cant agree on their own COVID relief package. Will they focus on the covid bill or this?....Lee will object if this thing is brought to a UC tomorrow.

Do you have a link for the draft handy?

[gs1968]

Do you have a link for the draft handy?
New draft of #s386
@SenatorDurbin & @SenMikeLee TODAY (almost accepted) :
1. No 50:50 rule for 2 yr
2. No GC number increase
3. 15% to 5 % for ROW from year 1 to year 5 gradually decreasing
What I saw on twitter

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

Thanks. The timeline is tight to get it done in the next two days with all the other fights going on. Kinda crazy how the UC works though that the whole thing could be done and over in 5 min or someone can object and completely derail it.

[gs1968]

According to the poster these are the parts that are agreed to. So they split the difference between the 1 year that Durbin asked for against the 3 years in senator Lee's March bill. Nasscomm may still have issues with it. The lack of increase in green cards was expected. The transition period details are not clear past the 5th year. The only sticking point is the timing of EAD issuance. I hope it is retained at 270 days because a lot of students can convert from OPT to EAD

[gs1968]

Thanks. The timeline is tight to get it done in the next two days with all the other fights going on. Kinda crazy how the UC works though that the whole thing could be done and over in 5 min or someone can object and completely derail it.

Senate is in session next week. State work period does not start till Monday Aug 10 and lasts till after Labor day (sep 7)

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

Senate is in session next week. State work period does not start till Monday Aug 10 and lasts till after Labor day (sep 7)

Ok that’s encouraging news. Maybe the last chance for country cap removal. If it doesn’t go through this time around, if Dems come to power, they will surely gut this and start over again and let it languish for another 4 years.

[gs1968]

Ok that’s encouraging news. Maybe the last chance for country cap removal. If it doesn’t go through this time around, if Dems come to power, they will surely gut this and start over again and let it languish for another 4 years.

I think if it really comes for UC then it will pass. The EAD provision will ensure that the US still remains attractive to foreign students from ROW

[abcx13]

Even if it passes, doesn't it still have to be reconciled with the House bill?

[gs1968]

Even if it passes, doesn't it still have to be reconciled with the House bill?

My gut feeling is that the house will pass it fairly quickly. It's fate will become uncertain if it has to go back to the senate for a second time

[excalibur123]

My gut feeling is that the house will pass it fairly quickly. It's fate will become uncertain if it has to go back to the senate for a second time

It is like having 2 parallel universes. On one side is hyper-anti-immigration environment, economy and unemployment issues like never before, and looming elections with its gazillion dynamics and calculations.
And on the other side is S386 and how it is perceived.
Even if the compromise is reached, expect S386 to be blocked, more likely by Republicans or the admin. Unfortunately the time for the bill was in pre-Covid days.

[FarAwayfromGC]

No worries my friend. I have personally beaten this topic to death because I strongly felt that Durbin who is jewish, and actually loves India and is pro-immigration was unnecessarily getting bad mouthed by IV.

As far as you and I are concerned, we are on the same side. Our perspectives may be slightly different but goal is the same. Alleviate this suffering of ALL backlogged folks. Good luck to you!

Q,

Thank you , whatever the politician are doing - - good or bad, we need to stay positive and hope to see something good at the end. I appreciate the work you do in that direction and to keep the community informed and motivated.

[gs1968]

Ok that’s encouraging news. Maybe the last chance for country cap removal. If it doesn’t go through this time around, if Dems come to power, they will surely gut this and start over again and let it languish for another 4 years.

The same twitter source also says that it is in drafting stage for possible UC next week. Maybe explains why things are quiet today as nothing seems to be happening imminently

[qesehmk]

The same twitter source also says that it is in drafting stage for possible UC next week. Maybe explains why things are quiet today as nothing seems to be happening imminently
Dont mean to pour cold water. But this is really Lee's bill where his own party is not with him. So the onus is on Lee. He has to be creative to bring his party on board. My own sense is the clock has already run out. But of course miracles can happen.

[gs1968]

Dont mean to pour cold water. But this is really Lee's bill where his own party is not with him. So the onus is on Lee. He has to be creative to bring his party on board. My own sense is the clock has already run out. But of course miracles can happen.

If the offer indeed came from Sen.Durbin then there is at least a willingness to reach a solution. With only 7 legislative weeks left before the election (which could be less if senators want more time for campaigning) he could have held his block and run the clock out. As I mentioned earlier if the Democrats take the Senate he is a front runner for the Judiciary chairmanship and could shape the legislation better. However it remains to be seen whether this is any more palatable to the Republicans.The December deal was a great one and had everybody generally OK with it. Too bad Senator Lee could not get all of his GOP colleagues on board

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

After a long time, I am keeping an eye on Senate proceedings to see if Durbin or Lee bring anything up. But so far the fight over the Unemployment funding is what's been going on.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/floor_activity_pail.htm

[qesehmk]

If the offer indeed came from Sen.Durbin then there is at least a willingness to reach a solution. With only 7 legislative weeks left before the election (which could be less if senators want more time for campaigning) he could have held his block and run the clock out. As I mentioned earlier if the Democrats take the Senate he is a front runner for the Judiciary chairmanship and could shape the legislation better. However it remains to be seen whether this is any more palatable to the Republicans.The December deal was a great one and had everybody generally OK with it. Too bad Senator Lee could not get all of his GOP colleagues on board

You are absolutely correct. I think great strides have been made. But I feel that the clock has already run out. I am 99% sure that if pushed the right way this will pass during next administration (if it's a Democratic admin). Can't vouch for Trump admin to pass it. So all in all no reason to be sad even if it doesn't pass now.

[gs1968]

Don't know how reliable but read on Twitter that the s386 UC is next week and President Trump's EO on merit based immigration is on 8/10 /2020

[gs1968]

CIR is not happening any time in the near future no matter who comes to power so to look at that as a means to reduce the backlogs is a dead end. If current admin comes back, they still will likely lose the House and at a minimum there will be 2 more years or gridlock. Even if Biden wins, there are going to be far more important things to do as a matter of priority: dispense the vaccines, repair the economy and get people back to work and that rightfully will be most important.

The strong radio silence is a good indicator that something big is going to happen next week

[ntn2008]

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/07/31/gop-senators-dhs-back-mike-lees-outsourcing-bill/

Some positive news about S 386 Bill.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

Yeah there is something brewing for sure if Breitbart is starting to make noise about “outsourcers”. Anyway, honestly I have seen this drama before close to the end of a fiscal year. It has always ended in disappointment, so I ain’t gonna get my hopes up. This is still going to be posturing to make it look like they are looking to do something. I don’t see what incentive Lee has to get this bill through and why Durbin needs to accede to him if the expectation is the Left is going to take the Senate and the House. I think what’s going to happen is Lee is going to try the UC and Durbin will poison it on a technicality, old or new, and make a big show of throwing up his hands and declaring that he will do this unilaterally in the next session. Durbin has not done anything meaningful other than give winding avuncular speeches on immigration since 2013, so he will be damned if he lets someone else on the Right take credit for passing a major immigration law. If the Dems take the Senate he will be chairman of the powerful Sen Jud Committee and will have all the power to do his own thing. These men are not in it for the money though it does not hurt to get some. They are in it for the power trip and framing their legacy in US history. I don’t believe it for a sec when people say anyone cares about immigrants or their plight. We are just pawns in a bigger game.

... Getting off the soapbox! Enjoy the weekend!

[gs1968]

Yeah there is something brewing for sure if Breitbart is starting to make noise about “outsourcers”. Anyway, honestly I have seen this drama before close to the end of a fiscal year. It has always ended in disappointment, so I ain’t gonna get my hopes up. This is still going to be posturing to make it look like they are looking to do something. I don’t see what incentive Lee has to get this bill through and why Durbin needs to accede to him if the expectation is the Left is going to take the Senate and the House. I think what’s going to happen is Lee is going to try the UC and Durbin will poison it on a technicality, old or new, and make a big show of throwing up his hands and declaring that he will do this unilaterally in the next session. Durbin has not done anything meaningful other than give winding avuncular speeches on immigration since 2013, so he will be damned if he lets someone else on the Right take credit for passing a major immigration law. If the Dems take the Senate he will be chairman of the powerful Sen Jud Committee and will have all the power to do his own thing. These men are not in it for the money though it does not hurt to get some. They are in it for the power trip and framing their legacy in US history. I don’t believe it for a sec when people say anyone cares about immigrants or their plight. We are just pawns in a bigger game.

... Getting off the soapbox! Enjoy the weekend!

I think your assessment is correct. I had pointed out previously that Sen. Durbin will take over under the assumption that Sen. Feinstein who is the current ranking member is 87 years old and most likely serving out the last 4 years of her senate career will cede the chairmanship to Sen. Durbin. She has previously been Intelligence and Rules committee chair and has never chaired the judiciary committee. If she chooses to take up the chair then there us a strong chance that Durbin will get immigration subcommittee.

[idliman]

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/07/31/gop-senators-dhs-back-mike-lees-outsourcing-bill/

Some positive news about S 386 Bill.
Like someone else said here before, we have seen this movie many times before, hoping for a different ending. Unfortunately, in this movie back loggers are Represented by Gabbar Singh. Veeru (anti immigration) and Jai (employers & lobbyists) are Coming after the villains. Right now we are near the climax, where all of Veeru and Jai’s friends (breitbart, CIS, NASSCOM, immigration Basanti & Radha , etc.,) are coming into the picture. Ever time, We come out out of the theater we end up being emotionally drained.

[texas_]

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2020/07/31/gop-senators-dhs-back-mike-lees-outsourcing-bill/

Some positive news about S 386 Bill.

There's a lot of background noise especially by Dick Durbin holding, showing he's negotiating but he's just wasting time.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

There's a lot of background noise especially by Dick Durbin holding, showing he's negotiating but he's just wasting time.

The unjust thing I feel is that all our livelihoods including even those of USCs, are depending on a bunch of bickering 70+ year old farts on both sides in Congress and on the top instead of younger progressive voices. Unfortunately it’s going to be like that for the foreseeable future as they are so entrenched in their positions.

[abcx13]

Judging by IV's tweets criticizing Durbin, looks like there is no deal on S386!

[qesehmk]

I am totally lost for words ... see IV twits for yourself here (https://twitter.com/immivoice?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor) -

Ethnic cleansing... Segregationist... Bigots ... Human Traffickers? and of course Racist....

Guys, this is not advocacy by any stretch of imagination. If you have any concern for yourself, stop this nonsense.

I personally am not in a situation to devote any time or resources to lead advocacy. But I swear, if my situation changes, I will jump into this and I actually think this can be achieved literally within next administration's term. If some of you come together and form a new advocacy group, I will be happy to help whichever way I can but can't lead this at this time.

[vbollu]

I am totally lost for words ... see IV twits for yourself here (https://twitter.com/immivoice?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor) -

Ethnic cleansing... Segregationist... Bigots ... Human Traffickers? and of course Racist....

Guys, this is not advocacy by any stretch of imagination. If you have any concern for yourself, stop this nonsense.

I personally am not in a situation to devote any time or resources to lead advocacy. But I swear, if my situation changes, I will jump into this and I actually think this can be achieved literally within next administration's term. If some of you come together and form a new advocacy group, I will be happy to help whichever way I can but can't lead this at this time.

People are requesting him from past 8 months, some Indian people touched his feet and hailed Durbin in few other cases still he didn't melt even a single time. If something is going happen he will leak the information to the lawyers or he will introduce new bills. He is just killing the time with his nonsense theories and actions in senate floor. So I 'm okay to call him as racist or some other name, the max thing US can do for immigrants is they will not issue green cards.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

People are requesting him from past 8 months, some Indian people touched his feet and hailed Durbin in few other cases still he didn't melt even a single time. If something is going happen he will leak the information to the lawyers or he will introduce new bills. He is just killing the time with his nonsense theories and actions in senate floor. So I 'm okay to call him as racist or some other name, the max thing US can do for immigrants is they will not issue green cards.

If you really think calling someone racist, bigot, etc. who is probably going to be the most powerful Senator on Immigration in the next Congress, go ahead and muck it up for the rest of us. I am not here to say Durbin is the One and fall at his feet. I only argue that his priority is only DACA but he was wrong to appear in that forum where there were people holding out Green pieces of paper etc. If I were to guess if he had known that would happen, he would not have gone forward with that but he did appear there and cannot walk it back. I am sure there are other ways to work with him than the current way and part of it is the fault of many of us who don't have the time or wherewithal to participate in advocacy. The main issue is there are a large number of us who don't support IVs views or approach but will be colored by the same brush because we are from India, which is unfortunate. The usual response from IV supporters is that if you can't participate, then shut up and let us do our thing since you are not commiserating with our views. Why should I be forced to take up a position one way or the other? Even I don't shy away from criticizing Durbin for not doing anything, but really "If something is going happen he will leak the information to the lawyers" is baseless allegation. All Durbin tries to do like any other politician on the Hill is to use the situation to advance his own agenda, there is no other ulterior motive towards Indians or Chinese in particular. He won't budge until there are concessions on DACA, period and the admin won't budge until DACA is not part of the deal because that is one of the pillars that they want to tear down of Obama's legacy with the others being ACA, Environmental Protections, etc. Durbin is not going to let a Republican Senator pass an Immigration bill without DACA protections and I will eat humble crow if that happens.

[Zenzone]

If you really think calling someone racist, bigot, etc. who is probably going to be the most powerful Senator on Immigration in the next Congress, go ahead and muck it up for the rest of us. I am not here to say Durbin is the One and fall at his feet. I only argue that his priority is only DACA but he was wrong to appear in that forum where there were people holding out Green pieces of paper etc. If I were to guess if he had known that would happen, he would not have gone forward with that but he did appear there and cannot walk it back. I am sure there are other ways to work with him than the current way and part of it is the fault of many of us who don't have the time or wherewithal to participate in advocacy. The main issue is there are a large number of us who don't support IVs views or approach but will be colored by the same brush because we are from India, which is unfortunate. The usual response from IV supporters is that if you can't participate, then shut up and let us do our thing since you are not commiserating with our views. Why should I be forced to take up a position one way or the other? Even I don't shy away from criticizing Durbin for not doing anything, but really "If something is going happen he will leak the information to the lawyers" is baseless allegation. All Durbin tries to do like any other politician on the Hill is to use the situation to advance his own agenda, there is no other ulterior motive towards Indians or Chinese in particular. He won't budge until there are concessions on DACA, period and the admin won't budge until DACA is not part of the deal because that is one of the pillars that they want to tear down of Obama's legacy with the others being ACA, Environmental Protections, etc. Durbin is not going to let a Republican Senator pass an Immigration bill without DACA protections and I will eat humble crow if that happens.

++1 Totally agree. Diplomacy and advocacy is all about not digging a trench too deep for yourself that you can't get out of. Making enemies is never ideal. I understand IV's passion but sometimes tempering it is useful. I'm as guilty of not participating in these efforts though so I suggest this with abundance of caution.

[gs1968]

If you really think calling someone racist, bigot, etc. who is probably going to be the most powerful Senator on Immigration in the next Congress, go ahead and muck it up for the rest of us. I am not here to say Durbin is the One and fall at his feet. I only argue that his priority is only DACA but he was wrong to appear in that forum where there were people holding out Green pieces of paper etc. If I were to guess if he had known that would happen, he would not have gone forward with that but he did appear there and cannot walk it back. I am sure there are other ways to work with him than the current way and part of it is the fault of many of us who don't have the time or wherewithal to participate in advocacy. The main issue is there are a large number of us who don't support IVs views or approach but will be colored by the same brush because we are from India, which is unfortunate. The usual response from IV supporters is that if you can't participate, then shut up and let us do our thing since you are not commiserating with our views. Why should I be forced to take up a position one way or the other? Even I don't shy away from criticizing Durbin for not doing anything, but really "If something is going happen he will leak the information to the lawyers" is baseless allegation. All Durbin tries to do like any other politician on the Hill is to use the situation to advance his own agenda, there is no other ulterior motive towards Indians or Chinese in particular. He won't budge until there are concessions on DACA, period and the admin won't budge until DACA is not part of the deal because that is one of the pillars that they want to tear down of Obama's legacy with the others being ACA, Environmental Protections, etc. Durbin is not going to let a Republican Senator pass an Immigration bill without DACA protections and I will eat humble crow if that happens.

Retroactive application of a prospective law is never easy. Numerous states have legalized marijuana yet even in those states they have found it hard to pass bills that would commute sentences of inmates already jailed for possession before such laws were enacted. The argument always has been that they were fully aware of the consequences of their action when the actual act was committed that led to the sentence.I am in no way comparing immigrants to criminals but merely providing an example of how it is difficult to go back and change things. We don't know Senator Durbin as well as some of the advocates that have worked with him and it is difficult to get a feel for his actual stand.There are however certain data points that we can refer to. He co-authored the Gof8 bill in 2013 which was really broad and far reaching and did give relief to backlogged candidates through various means of relief (recapture/dependent extension etc). Even then the backlog was mainly Indian yet he did not seem to have a problem with writing those provisions.I was unable to locate the article today but there was one last fall in Bloomberg where he said that "for a marginal improvement in immigration from China and India they are drastically reducing immigration from every other country in the world. How is this equity?" This is the basic stumbling block for the S386 concept since it was first floated in 2008. It is interesting that nobody seems to point a finger at the GOP for steadfastly refusing to even consider increasing the 140K number from 1990. The other well known fact is his disdain for the outsourcing model. He believes that that was not how the H-1B visa was supposed to work but given various competing interests he has not been able to do anything about it in spite of introducing multiple Bills. This country has a torrid history with racism and inequality and one must be sensitive when using such language. It is a credible argument if no caps existed in the first place and upon seeing Indians dominate the GC allocation an arbitrary 7% cap was placed to exclude them. In the current situation the 7% cap existed well before the large technology influx happened and the 7% cap became unfavorable but does not necessarily imply an unfair law. The December 2019 agreement I thought was an honest attempt by both sides and was widely supported. Hopefully there will be a resolution soon.

[Ramsen]

People are requesting him from past 8 months, some Indian people touched his feet and hailed Durbin in few other cases still he didn't melt even a single time. If something is going happen he will leak the information to the lawyers or he will introduce new bills. He is just killing the time with his nonsense theories and actions in senate floor. So I 'm okay to call him as racist or some other name, the max thing US can do for immigrants is they will not issue green cards.

What is the wrong with discussing with other parties. That you are calling as leak. Based on American principles it is ok to have transparent negotiation that too immigration very much needed. If bill sponsors do not like way Durbin doing negotiation they have right to go up/down vote. It does not make sense to call Durbin racist. There is no use to anyone. If a few people calls him racist does not make him racist. Can you switch one vote by calling him racist? No US citizens will care that

[vbollu]

If you really think calling someone racist, bigot, etc. who is probably going to be the most powerful Senator on Immigration in the next Congress, go ahead and muck it up for the rest of us. I am not here to say Durbin is the One and fall at his feet. I only argue that his priority is only DACA but he was wrong to appear in that forum where there were people holding out Green pieces of paper etc. If I were to guess if he had known that would happen, he would not have gone forward with that but he did appear there and cannot walk it back. I am sure there are other ways to work with him than the current way and part of it is the fault of many of us who don't have the time or wherewithal to participate in advocacy. The main issue is there are a large number of us who don't support IVs views or approach but will be colored by the same brush because we are from India, which is unfortunate. The usual response from IV supporters is that if you can't participate, then shut up and let us do our thing since you are not commiserating with our views. Why should I be forced to take up a position one way or the other? Even I don't shy away from criticizing Durbin for not doing anything, but really "If something is going happen he will leak the information to the lawyers" is baseless allegation. All Durbin tries to do like any other politician on the Hill is to use the situation to advance his own agenda, there is no other ulterior motive towards Indians or Chinese in particular. He won't budge until there are concessions on DACA, period and the admin won't budge until DACA is not part of the deal because that is one of the pillars that they want to tear down of Obama's legacy with the others being ACA, Environmental Protections, etc. Durbin is not going to let a Republican Senator pass an Immigration bill without DACA protections and I will eat humble crow if that happens.

I think IV decided that this bill will not pass in the current climate, putting more pressure on this way to get release a hold on the bill. In my opinion IV is exploring all the possible ways to defeat him in the next elections, so that they don't need to work with him again.

[Ramsen]

The first person said he doesn't want brown immigration and norway would be ok. That makes him racist.

https://twitter.com/ckuck/status/1290762938140303363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1290762938140303363%7Ctwgr% 5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhighskillimmigration.freefor ums.net%2Fthread%2F12%2F1044-386%3Fpage%3D585

Looks like deal was reached. UC this week?

[jimmys]

Frankly, too much is being made out of the debates. Worst case scenario is that JB is going to sleep walk through all the debates. Even then, DJT cannot whitewash his record of 160K deaths and counting on his watch.

Hope you watched JB's recent interviews. Especially the one he talked about his stay at a Hospital(Walter Reed Hospital). True, debates are nothing but for JB it's everything. When DJT asks about China, JB will start talking about the pancakes. All the lib medias are already fretting why the debates shouldn't happen. Interesting times ahead. Let's see if the debates happen.

[vsivarama]

Hope you watched JB's recent interviews. Especially the one he talked about his stay at a Hospital(Walter Reed Hospital). True, debates are nothing but for JB it's everything. When DJT asks about China, JB will start talking about the pancakes. All the lib medias are already fretting why the debates shouldn't happen. Interesting times ahead. Let's see if the debates happen.

I agree with what you are saying 100%. But those are the issues plaguing the top 10% of the country maybe. Almost all of us in this forum more or less are closer to the top 10% and hence we usually fall for the media coverage (which seldom highlights working class issues). Millions are facing potential evictions and we all know how the stimulus bill is coming along. Yes, a deal will be reached in the near future. But my hope is that millions are watching how the R's had to have their arms twisted to help the citizens of this country while the same folks were rushing to bailout the corporations. Not to say D's are any better, but they are certainly playing their hand well at this time. Of course things may change! but just the debates won't be enough to move the needle. A potential vaccine may help!

P.S. Early voting in some states starts even before the first debate is held.

[vsivarama]

https://twitter.com/ckuck/status/1290762938140303363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1290762938140303363%7Ctwgr% 5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhighskillimmigration.freefor ums.net%2Fthread%2F12%2F1044-386%3Fpage%3D585

Looks like deal was reached. UC this week?

This seems to be a distant dream. Even with UC, the bill needs to be voted in house and not vetoed by DJT. While Stephen Miller has his ear this will not be that easy. Sorry to dampen your spirits, but I think we should be cautiously optimistic.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

https://twitter.com/ckuck/status/1290762938140303363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1290762938140303363%7Ctwgr% 5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhighskillimmigration.freefor ums.net%2Fthread%2F12%2F1044-386%3Fpage%3D585

Looks like deal was reached. UC this week?

Have not heard of a deal. Just immigration attorneys nervous that it will pass 😂.

Durbin is not going to let it pass.

[Ramsen]

This seems to be a distant dream. Even with UC, the bill needs to be voted in house and not vetoed by DJT. While Stephen Miller has his ear this will not be that easy. Sorry to dampen your spirits, but I think we should be cautiously optimistic.

There is enough votes to override veto. But I think if President vetoes it may need to be passed again

[qesehmk]

https://twitter.com/ckuck/status/1290762938140303363?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1290762938140303363%7Ctwgr% 5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhighskillimmigration.freefor ums.net%2Fthread%2F12%2F1044-386%3Fpage%3D585

Looks like deal was reached. UC this week?
Unfortunately that twit seems disingenuous. Looks like posturing. I hope I am wrong though.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

Unfortunately that twit seems disingenuous. Looks like posturing. I hope I am wrong though.
Yeah the tweets at him from the IV supporters have gotten under his skin.

[gs1968]

From Greg Siskind just now

S.386 Update - There is a negotiated version of the bill that has been "hotlined". That means Senators will have to state objections today and then it will proceed to a unanimous consent. I will be posting a detailed summary of the language shortly.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

https://twitter.com/gsiskind/status/1291051112221544448

[gs1968]

https://twitter.com/gsiskind/status/1291051112221544448

I saw that thread and very informative. Does anybody know why IV is not the one breaking this news and everybody else is? Why are they still tweeting hate at Durbin?
I posted this as a reply to the thread but will copy it here

The clock starts now. IF it passes tomorrow then there are 55 days in FY20 for it to pass the house which is in recess till Sept 8. The timeline to pass/conference and send to President is 12 days after that (Sept 20). Beyond that date even if Trump refuses to sign it the Bill will become law after October1 (10 days after sent to WH) but date of enactment now will be FY23. The House has to come back in at some point this month to pass a COVID relief Bill and this vote may be taken then if everybody is in agreement.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

I saw that thread and very informative. Does anybody know why IV is not the one breaking this news and everybody else is? Why are they still tweeting hate at Durbin?
I posted this as a reply to the thread but will copy it here

The clock starts now. IF it passes tomorrow then there are 55 days in FY20 for it to pass the house which is in recess till Sept 8. The timeline to pass/conference and send to President is 12 days after that (Sept 20). Beyond that date even if Trump refuses to sign it the Bill will become law after October1 (10 days after sent to WH) but date of enactment now will be FY23. The House has to come back in at some point this month to pass a COVID relief Bill and this vote may be taken then if everybody is in agreement.

The bill seems really complicated for a ton of people in Congress to read and digest it in the midst of the other critical bills that are being worked on. For that one reason, I feel the chances of it getting through the House are bleak. If it gets through the Senate tomorrow, it will be up to Durbin and other leading Democrats in the Senate to convince the House leadership to pass it. The House has a more acrimonious stance toward Republican bills since they have a majority and don't have to answer to anyone.

[whereismygc]

The bill seems really complicated for a ton of people in Congress to read and digest it in the midst of the other critical bills that are being worked on. For that one reason, I feel the chances of it getting through the House are bleak. If it gets through the Senate tomorrow, it will be up to Durbin and other leading Democrats in the Senate to convince the House leadership to pass it. The House has a more acrimonious stance toward Republican bills since they have a majority and don't have to answer to anyone.

Here is our takeaway ...

https://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php/900-WhereismyGC-com-Related-Discussion-amp-Updates?p=65646#post65646

[vsivarama]

Why did Durbin put a hold on this bill and why did he reach a deal right now? This bill does not seem to have any significant changes. The signature piece that was to benefit the American workers based on 50/50 rule is offset by EAD post 2 years of i-140 approval. Maybe I am missing out on some key pieces. But most of the bill is as it was leaked a couple of months ago.

[qesehmk]

I saw that thread and very informative. Does anybody know why IV is not the one breaking this news and everybody else is? Why are they still tweeting hate at Durbin?
I posted this as a reply to the thread but will copy it here

The clock starts now. IF it passes tomorrow then there are 55 days in FY20 for it to pass the house which is in recess till Sept 8. The timeline to pass/conference and send to President is 12 days after that (Sept 20). Beyond that date even if Trump refuses to sign it the Bill will become law after October1 (10 days after sent to WH) but date of enactment now will be FY23. The House has to come back in at some point this month to pass a COVID relief Bill and this vote may be taken then if everybody is in agreement.

Looks like I could be wrong! Looks like they have been very creative by pushing the immediate scrapping of country caps to next year and thus all those extra 100K FB visa spillover will be good enough for "Do no harm"!! That's what makes me believe this has a decent chance of passing.

House will honor their senate whip's bill. I don't think there is any substantial resistance in house. Also this bill is actually very clean and straightforward. No new visas, toughning H1B abuse is how they will sell to GOP base. Dems will talk about protecting children.

As per IV, I am convinced they have been shut out of the process. Their language and confrontational approach has been a disgrace to highly qualified and law abiding EB-IC community.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

Bill Summary from Siskind:

https://www.visalaw.com/siskind-summary-s-386-fairness-high-skilled-immigrants-act-2020-852020/

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

UC at quarter till 3 apparently. Will know in a few min I guess.

[srimurthy]

Here is our takeaway ...

https://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php/900-WhereismyGC-com-Related-Discussion-amp-Updates?p=65646#post65646

In the Siskind points listed why are they only talking about EB2 and EB3, the breakup and allocation across countries may be same for EB1 too right?

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?474523-1/senate-session

for anyone interested in watching live.

[longwaitgigu]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?474523-1/senate-session

for anyone interested in watching live.

Say if the bill passes, wouldn't uscis and dos first try to clear the backlog of ROW then india and china with 110k spillover

[EB22010Dec]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?474523-1/senate-session

for anyone interested in watching live.

Why watch live now? Is the bill scheduled for UC today?

[qesehmk]

Wow Lee again objected because some of those amendments make it unable to pass (plain english - his party is not with him).

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

I think it's normal process. He will now try to get UC for S386 and Durbin will not object (I think).

[jimmys]

Wow Lee again objected because some of those amendments make it unable to pass (plain english - his party is not with him).

Or the democrats clearly know their amendments will be objected by Lee.

[qesehmk]

I think it's normal process. He will now try to get UC for S386 and Durbin will not object (I think).Oh ... i thought that's what Lee objected to. Then what was it?

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

Damn Durbin took his hold out and now Rick Scott has swooped in. Let this be a lesson for those who think things can get done quickly.

[qesehmk]

alright ... so now finally when sen durbin did not object .... Rick Scott (R) florida has objected. He wants to preserve diversity .... and create a carve out based on the language that the people speak !!! What a load of ------- ?

That's typical GOP for you. Absolute cunning suggestion that even accepted will be very difficult to implement.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

alright ... so now finally when sen durbin did not object .... Rick Scott (R) florida has objected. He wants to preserve diversity .... and create a carve out based on the language that the people speak !!! What a load of ------- ?

That's typical GOP for you. Absolute cunning suggestion that even accepted will be very difficult to implement.

Also known as a poison pill.

[qesehmk]

All of this back and forth is so unfair to Sen Lee. The funny and sad part is it is not Democrats, but his own party that is screwing him over. They have used him and are now abusing him.

[NJMavarick]

alright ... so now finally when sen durbin did not object .... Rick Scott (R) florida has objected. He wants to preserve diversity .... and create a carve out based on the language that the people speak !!! What a load of ------- ?

That's typical GOP for you. Absolute cunning suggestion that even accepted will be very difficult to implement.

In hindsight, I feel as always you have been right all along! IV seems to have been taken for a ride by the Rs.

[suninphx]

Also known as a poison pill.

And WH is not on board and needs more time. Goes on and on and on....

[qesehmk]

Also known as a poison pill.
This is not even a poison pill ... this is just a stupid pill that nobody would care about except Rick Scott.

And see if they somehow resolve this - then another GOP senator will introduce another BS amendment.

I have been trying to tell you folks ... it is not Dems ... it is GOP that is dead against this bill. They just used Lee to get at Sen. Durbin.

Believe me when I say this - Sen Lee must have come to admire Sen Durbin who has been very amenable and honorable.

[NJMavarick]

This is not even a poison pill ... this is just a stupid pill that nobody would care about except Rick Scott.

And see if they somehow resolve this - then another GOP senator will introduce another BS amendment.

I have been trying to tell you folks ... it is not Dems ... it is GOP that is dead against this bill. They just used Lee to get at Sen. Durbin.

Believe me when I say this - Sen Lee must have come to admire Sen Durbin who has been very amenable and honorable.

Agree in totality!

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

I would like to think that Durbin would not mind this outcome as I have always said. He wants to do his own thing. Rs are not going to let this pass this Congress.

[srimurthy]

Agree in totality!

As expected gone for a toss, the pendulum always swings so fast and finally tilts at no approvals.
Senator Scott suggestion if we go by Language.... then India will have atleast 20 odd recognized languages to represent and not sure what has language got to do with Employment based skill sets. Or on the flip side he could have said any computer programming language and maintain the diversity :-)

[qesehmk]

I would like to think that Durbin would not mind this outcome as I have always said. He wants to do his own thing. Rs are not going to let this pass this Congress.
If Durbin was a pure political animal then you would be right. But listen carefully what he said in the end. He says I am a son of an immigrant. I think he means it and he would have been happy to have this passed .... think about it .... he would like his junior friend Senator Lee succeed. That's what leaders do. They help others succeed. And Durbin has made fantastic effort towards us and towards his GOP friend.

[qesehmk]

But you know folks - don't be disheartened at all. I firmly believe this will pass soon ... Tremendous progress has already been made.

[EB22010Dec]

But you know folks - don't be disheartened at all. I firmly believe this will pass soon ... Tremendous progress has already been made.

Rick Scott ends by saying - 'White house needs more time', I think it is currently on the big man's desk. They will make a decision soon, I am sure. This might be also tried to 'merit-based immigration proposal'
There is a lot more to this than what we can find on forums/twitter I am sure.

[Turbulent_Dragonfly]

Rick Scott ends by saying - 'White house needs more time', I think it is currently on the big man's desk. They will make a decision soon, I am sure. This might be also tried to 'merit-based immigration proposal'
There is a lot more to this than what we can find on forums/twitter I am sure.

Stephen Miller will not let anything pass which resembles pandering to immigrants even remotely. So you can consider this done and dusted for this Congress. Don't believe for a moment that they will come to an agreement with Rick Scott - carve outs for people speaking specific languages is just a mockery. They will push this dumpster fire until Sep 30 and then turn out the lights and go home.

[excalibur123]

This is not even a poison pill ... this is just a stupid pill that nobody would care about except Rick Scott.

And see if they somehow resolve this - then another GOP senator will introduce another BS amendment.

I have been trying to tell you folks ... it is not Dems ... it is GOP that is dead against this bill. They just used Lee to get at Sen. Durbin.

Believe me when I say this - Sen Lee must have come to admire Sen Durbin who has been very amenable and honorable.

How exactly has he been amenable? Can you suggest what has changed between 8 months back and now, so he has removed his hold?

Also hasn't he been introducing alternative bills? In my view he would not have removed his hold but for his calculations for current climate.

[qesehmk]

How exactly has he been amenable? Can you suggest what has changed between 8 months back and now, so he has removed his hold?

Also hasn't he been introducing alternative bills? In my view he would not have removed his hold but for his calculations for current climate.

Please remove your IV shades.

Today he and Lee both agreed upon a version that they reached together. But it was another GOP senator Rick Scott who came up with a brand new silly objection.

[qesehmk]

Rick Scott ends by saying - 'White house needs more time', I think it is currently on the big man's desk. They will make a decision soon, I am sure. This might be also tried to 'merit-based immigration proposal'
There is a lot more to this than what we can find on forums/twitter I am sure.

Again I hope I am wrong. But Trump is too consumed with other stuff to pay any attention to this. This seems like it was a low level machination by Miller and co to get to Durbin. The most dumbfoudning thing for me is that even if these machinations had worked and EB-I community went against Durbin and Dems in general - how did that help GOP in the November elections at all? Because the Indian Americans do not vote based on what happens to EB-I !!!

But anyway ... I hope I am wrong and DJT does give us a path forward.

[vsivarama]

The Amendment pushed forward by Scott is typical of the GOP and current Admin which prides itself on it utter incompetence. They were unable to come up with a more nuanced amendment for a poison pill. Contrary to the public opinion that politicians are usually playing some form of three dimensional chess, Scott proves that his strategy is to fling the chess pieces at the opponent. :D

[excalibur123]

Please remove your IV shades.

Today he and Lee both agreed upon a version that they reached together. But it was another GOP senator Rick Scott who came up with a brand new silly objection.

Not sure why I have to say “I have nothing to do with IV”. But that’s the case.

You haven’t really answered my questions too?

Reality is Democrats don’t care about Backlogged until Daca is resolved. (Why would they give up the “leverage” as they call it? How else CIR would pass?)

As for why the bill got blocked, read what I said couple of days back about expect it to be blocked by Rs. It was expected because the timing for S386 cannot be worse.

[qesehmk]

Head of the thread updated for those who need a summary.

[qesehmk]

Not sure why I have to say “I have nothing to do with IV”. But that’s the case.

You haven’t really answered my questions too?

Reality is Democrats don’t care about Backlogged until Daca is resolved. (Why would they give up the “leverage” as they call it? How else CIR would pass?)

As for why the bill got blocked, read what I said couple of days back about expect it to be blocked by Rs. It was expected because the timing for S386 cannot be worse.

You really need to update yourself on what happened today and then we should discuss. Peace.

[excalibur123]

I know what happened. You are not the only one reading and thinking / analyzing things.

I had already predicted what will happen in my post from a week back -
“ It is like having 2 parallel universes. On one side is hyper-anti-immigration environment, economy and unemployment issues like never before, and looming elections with its gazillion dynamics and calculations.
And on the other side is S386 and how it is perceived.
Even if the compromise is reached, expect S386 to be blocked, more likely by Republicans or the admin. Unfortunately the time for the bill was in pre-Covid days.”

[qesehmk]

I know what happened. You are not the only one reading and thinking / analyzing things.

I had already predicted what will happen in my post from a week back -
“ It is like having 2 parallel universes. On one side is hyper-anti-immigration environment, economy and unemployment issues like never before, and looming elections with its gazillion dynamics and calculations.
And on the other side is S386 and how it is perceived.
Even if the compromise is reached, expect S386 to be blocked, more likely by Republicans or the admin. Unfortunately the time for the bill was in pre-Covid days.”

If you are reading and everything then why are you making stupid statements? Did you not see that Lee and Durbin both are in agreement on the senate floor? Why are you saying Durbin is holding?

This bill has no DACA in it. Why are you talking about DACA and blaming Dems?

[excalibur123]

If you are reading and everything then why are you making stupid statements? Did you not see that Lee and Durbin both are in agreement on the senate floor? Why are you saying Durbin is holding?

This bill has no DACA in it. Why are you talking about DACA and blaming Dems?

Stupid statements? So much for the forum owner.

I said he delayed the compromise because he calculated Rs would block it.

Genius!

[qesehmk]

Stupid statements? So much for the forum owner.

I said he delayed the compromise because he calculated Rs would block it.

Genius!
Ok .. so if he had not delayed then Rick Scott would not have objected?

You also lie in addition to making stupid statements. Here is your own post few minutes back



Can you suggest what has changed between 8 months back and now, so he has removed his hold?

Also hasn't he been introducing alternative bills? In my view he would not have removed his hold but for his calculations for current climate.

[excalibur123]

Ok .. so if he had not delayed then Rick Scott would not have objected?

If the economy was roaring as it was, they could have passed it because there was no economic argument against it. And most importantly the elections were nowhere near last year.

Besides same question - why compromise now and not 8 months back? Why those other bills?

No one can predict future but with Covid and elections the calculations fell in Ds favor and they know Rs would not let it pass now. So they removed the hold.

[excalibur123]

Ok .. so if he had not delayed then Rick Scott would not have objected?

You also lie in addition to making stupid statements. Here is your own post few minutes back

Alright buddy I am out. Normally ppl send such behavior and posts to Mods. But here we are with you as forum owner calling people names.
Xxxx

[qesehmk]

If the economy was roaring as it was, they could have passed it because there was no economic argument against it. And most importantly the elections were nowhere near last year.

Besides same question - why compromise now and not 8 months back? Why those other bills?

No one can predict future but with Covid and elections the calculations fell in Ds favor and they know Rs would not let it pass now. So they removed the hold.
This is twisted logic. Has no meaning to it. The fact is both major co-sponsors are on board. Durbin's party is entirely on board. It is GOP who is not.


Alright buddy I am out. Normally ppl send such behavior and posts to Mods. But here we are with you as forum owner calling people names.
Xxxx
Good luck. I wouldn't miss you.

[vbollu]

Rick Scott is the third republican senator who got objected to this bill. Some thing is not going well in the background. The discussions are happening from almost a year, didn't he get a chance to talk with Lee about his amendments/objections. The argument is so silly and never ever expected this from a dumb senator.

[AceMan]

Alright buddy I am out. Normally ppl send such behavior and posts to Mods. But here we are with you as forum owner calling people names.
Xxxx


I think you are over reacting here. We all wanted the bill to pass, but some are more invested in it than others. So while we are disappointed with the end result of s386, a better option would be to avoid sulking and directing anger and disappointment at the wrong person.

In fact we believe in different political spectrum in US with lot of similar interests. I have absolute respect for Q and I believe he reciprocates too.

He is not your opponent. I am taking this liberty to tell you because I respect you a lot and I can relate to lot your views.

[optimista]

Dear User,

A deal has been reached between Senator Durbin and Senator Lee. Here is a summary. You can read details at Greg Siskind Blog (https://www.visalaw.com/siskind-summary-s-386-fairness-high-skilled-immigrants-act-2020-852020/).

We will do a major rehaul to WhereismyGC if this bill passes. Stay tuned!

Summary
1. Visa caps will be removed from Emp Based Categories from USCIS year 2022 onwards (i.e. Oct 2021 onwards)
2. Children will be protected as long as the 485 was filed before they turned 21
3. All EB applicants can file 485, 2 years after they have an approved 140.

We think this is a great compromise with a very good chance to pass.

Good luck to all.

Thanks & Regards,
____________________________
Team WhereismyGC.com

Folks, anybody heard about this, read about this, anything about this today? This is a big one. Comments, Cheers.... anyone?

[idliman]

Rick Scott is the third republican senator who got objected to this bill. Some thing is not going well in the background. The discussions are happening from almost a year, didn't he get a chance to talk with Lee about his amendments/objections. The argument is so silly and never ever expected this from a dumb senator.
I have been telling near & dear that in the last minute DT can phone a southern senator and put a hold on the bill. I did not expect the senator from Florida to do this. If it is not Florida, then it will be one from Southern R states. Bottom line is WH is not on board with this and Stephen Miller (the silent kingmaker) is standing in the room somewhere in the shadows.

This bill has a lot of things that R's want on H1B oversight. There is an immigration EO coming after the R' convention and perhaps some calculation going on. Only the inner circle will know what went on. I won't say the bill is dead. Perhaps Kushner can spin this to get it through. I am sure whatever they do now, it is tied to DT's re-election campaign.

[idliman]

Dear User,

A deal has been reached between Senator Durbin and Senator Lee. Here is a summary. You can read details at Greg Siskind Blog (https://www.visalaw.com/siskind-summary-s-386-fairness-high-skilled-immigrants-act-2020-852020/).

Folks, anybody heard about this, read about this, anything about this today? This is a big one. Comments, Cheers.... anyone?
A lot discussion about this is going on in this thread.
https://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php/2795-S386-GOP-s-UC-Trap-IV-and-Blaming-Durbin?p=65689&viewfull=1#post65689
In, short this bill did not pass yesterday.

[texas_]

Here you go

https://cis.org/Vaughan/Senate-S386-HR1044-Country-Cap

Not yet!

[gs1968]

Here you go

https://cis.org/Vaughan/Senate-S386-HR1044-Country-Cap

Not yet!

Can you please explain what you mean by "Not yet"? There is nothing new in that article

[srimurthy]

Can you please explain what you mean by "Not yet"? There is nothing new in that article

I guess from the article it is listed as Senator Lee said he will keep pushing for it and keep working. So what he meant by "Not Yet" that we are not done yet and there is still scope or hope.

I doubt this is going to move anywhere, atleast not this year.

[gs1968]

I guess from the article it is listed as Senator Lee said he will keep pushing for it and keep working. So what he meant by "Not Yet" that we are not done yet and there is still scope or hope.

I doubt this is going to move anywhere, atleast not this year.

Thanks. I heard that also on the video replay yesterday evening but I am assuming he will say that and not say he is giving up. The calendar clock is a greater enemy to this Bill than anything else

[qesehmk]

Thanks. I heard that also on the video replay yesterday evening but I am assuming he will say that and not say he is giving up. The calendar clock is a greater enemy to this Bill than anything else

Looking at how silly an objection Rick Scott put forth, I do not have that confidence. GOP has many more anti-immigrant senators and they would keep putting forth one objection or another. However I hope Lee has changed minds of at least 10 GOP senators so that in next senate, he can again bring S386 and then instead of UC ... just have a normal debate and get this passed.

[texas_]

Here you go

https://cis.org/Vaughan/Senate-S386-HR1044-Country-Cap

Not yet!

Oops,
**Not yet = Not there yet

[qesehmk]

The juveniles who called durbin racist, and said he is committing "geocide" etc etc, wonder if they have anything to say about Rick Scott's language based quotas? :confused: