EB2 Predictions (Rather Calculations) - 2012

[vchirakala]

Hi Chirakala,
this is what I did.

1 Get the non-availability certificate from local muncipal office.
2 The non-avl cert is in local language, so get it translated into english.
The translated cert should "look" in tersm of format same as original.
3 Get the affidavit from translator that this is correct translation and he/she knows local language and english.
4 get 2 affidavits from parents or relatives that you were born on xxx date at XXX place.

I got the affidavits notarised on 100 Rs Stamp paper.
* * My PD is not yet current.

Thank you very much. Too much work to get done. Even my PD is not current (04/18/2008) but trying to be ready and get the docs in place.

[leo07]

gcsseeker, we are unnecessarily worrying about this issue and confusing others. Rules are pretty simple, what you stated/listed above is correct and there is no scope for confusion there. Read last two pages of the same thread if you are still confused.

[smuggymba]

I used http://www.epassportphoto.com/ all the time. Only paid once at CVS - 7 dollars or so.

6 photos with better quality for 19 cents in less than an hour.

[gcseeker]

Leo
Yup got my answer from the same thread :) .Thanks for pointing it out .If the 2 conditions are met H1 is still valid.

Anywaz hope have not confused others.


gcsseeker, we are unnecessarily worrying about this issue and confusing others. Rules are pretty simple, what you stated/listed above is correct and there is no scope for confusion there. Read last two pages of the same thread if you are still confused.

[codesmith]

Gurus :


October : http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Green%20C...001%202011.pdf

What does 233 against Aug-2007 EB2 India mean ?
How can one file 485 for Aug 2007 and it's counted in Oct Inventory report ?

[skpanda]

Folks..
Need your inputs on my case...

My case:

I work full time in a fortune 500 company and work in my company's office. My current H1B expires in Feb 2012. I have a H1B approval from Feb 2012 - 2015 (after 6 years - approved 140 3 year extension).

I have a new passport and my current H1B visa is in my old passport.

I am planning to go for H1B visa stamping in Nov 2011. Returning back in Jan 2011 (before my current Visa on passport expires)



Few Questions:

1. I think I will get the new Visa till 2015, even though the new petition is effective Feb 2012. is that correct?
2. Is there any chance I will get 221(g)?
3. God forbid if there is a denial, can I come back on my current visa before it expires? (or do they revoke the current visa as well)
4. God forbid if i get 221(g), can i request my passport back and come back to USA on my current Visa? (Old passport has visa stamp and new passport has nothing).

Thanks guyz!

[08OCT2008]

Folks..

1. I think I will get the new Visa till 2015, even though the new petition is effective Feb 2012. is that correct?


I believe if the existing visa is valid you will not need to go for stamping if you plan to enter before its expiry. Even if you want to get it stamped in the new passport they will not do it.

[vishnu]

Skpanda, I got my visa stamping done in Chennai consulate in September. Similar situation as you, as far as getting visa re-stamped a month before expiry date. The first thing he asked was whether this was an extension and when I said yes, he asked for the prior visa (which like for you was on my previous passport) and stamped the cancelled without prejudice seal over it. Only then he proceeded with the interview. Luckily has no issues with the visa stamping. But to your questions 3 and 4, you CANNOT enter the US with old visa if you are under 221g.

[vizcard]

There is always a chance for a 221(g). The best way to mitigate is to take all backup documentation and to call/email ahead to gets PIMS verified. Usually big name companies are not issues and if you are long time employee its even easier. I've done my yr 7-9 extension with an approved I-140 in the Bahamas. No issue whatsoever.

[skpanda]

There is always a chance for a 221(g). The best way to mitigate is to take all backup documentation and to call/email ahead to gets PIMS verified. Usually big name companies are not issues and if you are long time employee its even easier. I've done my yr 7-9 extension with an approved I-140 in the Bahamas. No issue whatsoever.

Thanks..

1. My new petition does not have any reference to new passport.. Only old passport info is provided. Is this a problem? Does PIMS need to have my new passport details?

2. How do we contact PIMS.. I googled but did not find what I was looking for...

Thx

[skpanda]

Skpanda, I got my visa stamping done in Chennai consulate in September. Similar situation as you, as far as getting visa re-stamped a month before expiry date. The first thing he asked was whether this was an extension and when I said yes, he asked for the prior visa (which like for you was on my previous passport) and stamped the cancelled without prejudice seal over it. Only then he proceeded with the interview. Luckily has no issues with the visa stamping. But to your questions 3 and 4, you CANNOT enter the US with old visa if you are under 221g.

Thx..

Too bad they cancel the existing visa...

I am going for stamping 3 months before the expiration of my visa... Is that a problem??

[bieber]

Any chance we will see demand data pubished today

[venkimakthal]

Any chance we will see demand data pubished today

I don't think today, may be tomorrow or demand data and VB on Nov 4th itself

[vizcard]

Thanks..

1. My new petition does not have any reference to new passport.. Only old passport info is provided. Is this a problem? Does PIMS need to have my new passport details?

2. How do we contact PIMS.. I googled but did not find what I was looking for...
Thx
I emailed the consulate (Nassau in my case at visanassau@state.gov). Transcript of my communication is below.
My email
Dear Sir/Madam,
I have an appointment with the Nassau US consulate to extend by H1-B
visa. I wanted to ensure that my information was in PIMS prior to the
appointment.

My information from the Notice of Action I-797A is below -
Receipt # - <from 797>
I-94 # - <I-94 # from 797>
Name - <your_name>
Class - H1B
Valid from <from> until <to>Pertitioner - <Company Name>

My appointment date is on <date> at <time>
If you need any more information, I can be reached at (xxx)xxx-xxxx or
by email at xyz@email.com

I would appreciate it if you could confirm that my information is in the system.

Regards,


Their responseThank you for sending your petition information. It has been submitted
for verification. You will not receive any further communication from
us. At the time of interview, the officer will inform you whether or
not your case requires additional administrative processing.
In addition, please understand that some cases may take several days,
and in some cases weeks and even months, to finalize. You should plan
your trip to Bahamas accordingly. Finally, note that we are unable to
confirm specific case information prior to your interview.
Sincerely,
Non-Immigrant Visa Unit
U.S. Embassy Nassau
E-mail: VisaNassau@state.gov
http://nassau.usembassy.gov/consular.html

This email is UNCLASSIFIED

[gc_usa]

Thx..

Too bad they cancel the existing visa...

I am going for stamping 3 months before the expiration of my visa... Is that a problem??

I had 6 months of valid visas and went for stamping with new I 797 and got 221(G) and stuck there for a week. If you have at least month in visa validity and not planning to travel soon , may be use old stamp.

[ThatIsAll]

to answer your question on 221(G)
--221(G) cases have increased a lot since mid 2010 and many I know have got it recently too.

Since your old visa is valid you don't have to go for stamping for the new visa and thus avoid 221g risk. At the port of entry you can show your new I797 ending in 2015 and your I94 will have that latest date of 2015

[leo07]

If you are talking about your appointment with consulate then your issue can be explained at the counter and use the correct passport instead. Basically consulates use the passport number at the time of registration to authenticate you. Please remember to use your correct passport number on the Visa application that you will submit at the consulate. But, you MUST be using new passport number everywhere. Old one is just to carry along, just in case if someone wants to see the old passport as well.

Thanks..

1. My new petition does not have any reference to new passport.. Only old passport info is provided. Is this a problem? Does PIMS need to have my new passport details?

2. How do we contact PIMS.. I googled but did not find what I was looking for...

Thx

[venkimakthal]

Where is the new I-693 form? I see form with Rev. 07/20/10

[self.coach]

If the December 2011 bulletin announces EB 2 movement to March 2008 and further movement in the next two months, what kind of movement do you guys anticipate in 2012? Its possible that the porters from EB3 to EB2 will slow down EB2 considerably in next two years or even cause retrogression. Thoughts, guys?

Also, in the interest of saving this forum another post, can you please explain what a pre-adjudicated case means and how do I know is mine is pre-adjudicated?

[leo07]

Hi Self.Coach, First couple of posts on this thread are frequently updated with the information that you are looking for. That said, since lot of the information that we are seeing now is speculation( could turn either way), it's hard to predict one way or the other without seeing this month's vb and demand data. By and large, over the course of entire 2012, first couple of posts will hold water. Because, irrespective of how CIS allocates visas, they got only 140K to allocate.

Best!

[skpanda]

Thanks for your help!



I emailed the consulate (Nassau in my case at visanassau@state.gov). Transcript of my communication is below.
My email
Dear Sir/Madam,
I have an appointment with the Nassau US consulate to extend by H1-B
visa. I wanted to ensure that my information was in PIMS prior to the
appointment.

My information from the Notice of Action I-797A is below -
Receipt # - <from 797>
I-94 # - <I-94 # from 797>
Name - <your_name>
Class - H1B
Valid from <from> until <to>Pertitioner - <Company Name>

My appointment date is on <date> at <time>
If you need any more information, I can be reached at (xxx)xxx-xxxx or
by email at xyz@email.com

I would appreciate it if you could confirm that my information is in the system.

Regards,


Their responseThank you for sending your petition information. It has been submitted
for verification. You will not receive any further communication from
us. At the time of interview, the officer will inform you whether or
not your case requires additional administrative processing.
In addition, please understand that some cases may take several days,
and in some cases weeks and even months, to finalize. You should plan
your trip to Bahamas accordingly. Finally, note that we are unable to
confirm specific case information prior to your interview.
Sincerely,
Non-Immigrant Visa Unit
U.S. Embassy Nassau
E-mail: VisaNassau@state.gov
http://nassau.usembassy.gov/consular.html

This email is UNCLASSIFIED

[skpanda]

What was the reason cited i 221(g)?

Problem is I do international travel a lot for my work.. so if I do not get stamping now, I will have to get it in 1 or 2 months when I go out of USA (not to India.. but some other country).


I had 6 months of valid visas and went for stamping with new I 797 and got 221(G) and stuck there for a week. If you have at least month in visa validity and not planning to travel soon , may be use old stamp.

[skpanda]

Thanks!


Problem is I do international travel a lot for my work.. so if I do not get stamping now, I will have to get it in 1 or 2 months when I go out of USA (not to India.. but some other country).

So i might as well get the Visa stampled in India.


to answer your question on 221(G)
--221(G) cases have increased a lot since mid 2010 and many I know have got it recently too.

Since your old visa is valid you don't have to go for stamping for the new visa and thus avoid 221g risk. At the port of entry you can show your new I797 ending in 2015 and your I94 will have that latest date of 2015

[self.coach]

Hi Self.Coach, First couple of posts on this thread are frequently updated with the information that you are looking for. That said, since lot of the information that we are seeing now is speculation( could turn either way), it's hard to predict one way or the other without seeing this month's vb and demand data. By and large, over the course of entire 2012, first couple of posts will hold water. Because, irrespective of how CIS allocates visas, they got only 140K to allocate.

Best!

You are right..I know the policy of not asking when our priority dates are due. I think I should have asked what my main concern was directly - wanted input on the chance of Eb3 porters clogging up Eb2 to an extent that Eb2 slows down or even retrogresses considerably.

[Pedro Gonzales]

If the December 2011 bulletin announces EB 2 movement to March 2008 and further movement in the next two months, what kind of movement do you guys anticipate in 2012? Its possible that the porters from EB3 to EB2 will slow down EB2 considerably in next two years or even cause retrogression. Thoughts, guys?

For EB3I applicants between 2004 and 2007 PDs (dates that are current for EB2 already) the difference between the 6 to 12 year wait they are looking at from now to get their GCs (very quick and dirty math) is already significantly worse than if they ported (current), so this recent move will make no difference. For folks from 2008 to 2010 PDs, they were already looking at 20 + year wait on average, so they too would have already been super motivated to port without the recent moves. So, the bottom line is, people from EB3I outside the 2002/2003 range that are not porting are not doing it for a reason. Either they tried and can't, or have other reasons to not want to (not keyed into the GC process at all, really love their jobs, are counting on their spouses filing under EB2, looking at returning anyway, etc). The recent EB2 movement is not a variable that will change any of these, in my opinion. The only variable I think that can change the equation is if the economy improves, and people can find alternative jobs more easily. Until then, I don't expect the porting number to go up from the 2K or so estimated recently.

[self.coach]

For EB3I applicants between 2004 and 2007 PDs (dates that are current for EB2 already) the difference between the 6 to 12 year wait they are looking at from now to get their GCs (very quick and dirty math) is already significantly worse than if they ported (current), so this recent move will make no difference. For folks from 2008 to 2010 PDs, they were already looking at 20 + year wait on average, so they too would have already been super motivated to port without the recent moves. So, the bottom line is, people from EB3I outside the 2002/2003 range that are not porting are not doing it for a reason. Either they tried and can't, or have other reasons to not want to (not keyed into the GC process at all, really love their jobs, are counting on their spouses filing under EB2, looking at returning anyway, etc). The recent EB2 movement is not a variable that will change any of these, in my opinion. The only variable I think that can change the equation is if the economy improves, and people can find alternative jobs more easily. Until then, I don't expect the porting number to go up from the 2K or so estimated recently.

Thanks, I was concerned after reading somewhere that Eb3 folks were paying 25-40K for porting to consulting companies (not sure how genuinely true it is..theyre from another forum). While I say that, just want to add a note I do hope the best for Eb3 folks, and I totally empathize their situation. If they do port to Eb2 may God give them GC fast, as they deserve it as much as Eb2 folks.

[self.coach]

Koreans opposed HR 3012.

In a letter for committee leaders, the Korean-American Scientists and Engineers Association said the law would create a two-year wait for Koreans who get science, technology, engineering or math (STEM) degrees from universities in the U.S. It urged the committee "not to force engineers from Korea to wait [an] additional two years in their immigration process to get green cards."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221292/GOP_advances_bill_to_help_China_India_tech_grads?t axonomyId=72

[soggadu]

Koreans opposed HR 3012.

In a letter for committee leaders, the Korean-American Scientists and Engineers Association said the law would create a two-year wait for Koreans who get science, technology, engineering or math (STEM) degrees from universities in the U.S. It urged the committee "not to force engineers from Korea to wait [an] additional two years in their immigration process to get green cards."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221292/GOP_advances_bill_to_help_China_India_tech_grads?t axonomyId=72

OMG OMG OMG.... what to do now.... shall we take them down ;-)....

interestingly they cant wait for 2 years when we wait for 4.5 years with same STEM degrees...

[vizcard]

Koreans opposed HR 3012.

In a letter for committee leaders, the Korean-American Scientists and Engineers Association said the law would create a two-year wait for Koreans who get science, technology, engineering or math (STEM) degrees from universities in the U.S. It urged the committee "not to force engineers from Korea to wait [an] additional two years in their immigration process to get green cards."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221292/GOP_advances_bill_to_help_China_India_tech_grads?t axonomyId=72

Really? 2 years? Ask Microsoft which nationality of immigrants owns the most patents.

[nishant2200]

Man this one I couldnt resist chiming in. The point made by the korean body is totally BS, you are saying you cant wait additional 2 years when similarly qualified people wait for much larger years. The argument doesn't hold merit.

Koreans are really eating away a lot of the EB2 visas anyways, since their family based is less.

Very intersting though was the read that IEEE USA supports this. In the past they have really hammered H1 and other employment based avenues of us getting in. This is a now or never thing in my opinion. This bill: This is it.


Koreans opposed HR 3012.

In a letter for committee leaders, the Korean-American Scientists and Engineers Association said the law would create a two-year wait for Koreans who get science, technology, engineering or math (STEM) degrees from universities in the U.S. It urged the committee "not to force engineers from Korea to wait [an] additional two years in their immigration process to get green cards."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221292/GOP_advances_bill_to_help_China_India_tech_grads?t axonomyId=72

[leo07]

This for sure will not hold water. Highly ridiculous argument to make to anybody to convince. It just shows how narrow minded they are and that's totally Un-American, if they ever want to become one. I'm sure America doesn't need such narrow minded, self-interested folks to blend in to make the society a worse place.

Koreans opposed HR 3012.

In a letter for committee leaders, the Korean-American Scientists and Engineers Association said the law would create a two-year wait for Koreans who get science, technology, engineering or math (STEM) degrees from universities in the U.S. It urged the committee "not to force engineers from Korea to wait [an] additional two years in their immigration process to get green cards."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221292/GOP_advances_bill_to_help_China_India_tech_grads?t axonomyId=72

[bieber]

Koreans helped the bill in my opinion, average EB2IC waits 5 years for green card, if everybodys wait time becomes 2-3 years what's so big deal about it

[leo07]

self.coach,

If you are asking about the fluctuation in number of 'Upgrades'( EB3 to EB2 ) this year over last year then: IMHO, upgrades would be less this year compared to last year. Simple reason is, people who are eligible and upgrade-able would have already upgraded in flocks by now. The remaining folks who would become eligible this year and waiting would be less, because they will have to quit their current jobs and find another one to file EB2. In any case, fluctuation and it's impact would be minimal on SOFAD, if that's what your concern is.

Best


You are right..I know the policy of not asking when our priority dates are due. I think I should have asked what my main concern was directly - wanted input on the chance of Eb3 porters clogging up Eb2 to an extent that Eb2 slows down or even retrogresses considerably.

[cbpds1]

just 2 more days to go , hope CO doesnt disappoint :)

[gcseeker]

cbpds1

I dont think the VB will come this week. All chances are pointing towards it coming on Wed 9th-Fri 11th at the latest.




Dec VB 2010-Released on Nov 10th (Wed)
Dec VB 2009-Released on Nov 9th (Mon)
Dec VB 2008-Released on Nov 6th (Thurs)
Dec VB 2007-Released on Nov 13th (Tue)
Dec VB 2006-Released on Nov 8th (Wed)

[nishant2200]

cbpds1

I dont think the VB will come this week. All chances are pointing towards it coming on Wed 9th-Fri 11th at the latest.

I disagree. The coming soon on the 1st of the month itself as well as CO's intent to move majorly forward in this holiday ended month, both indicate a release on friday the 4th, 10% chance of monday the 7th

Of course, anything can happen, but sharing my take

[gcseeker]

Nishant

Would be most happy if it comes sooner with the expected good news .You might be right since the CO might have already made up his mind based on the Murthy/Fragomen guidance:)



I disagree. The coming soon on the 1st of the month itself as well as CO's intent to move majorly forward in this holiday ended month, both indicate a release on friday the 4th, 10% chance of monday the 7th

Of course, anything can happen, but sharing my take

[nishant2200]

Nishant

Would be most happy if it comes sooner with the expected good news .You might be right since the CO might have already made up his mind based on the Murthy/Fragomen guidance:)

:) dude its getting difficult to pass time. Minutes passing like hours.

[pch053]

Just hold on to your patience a little while; tomorrow might be the day! In any case, your PD will certainly be current!

[jkrocks]

SKPANDA

Just a quick note:

I was planning to go to Bahamas in June 2011 ..booked my tickets/blocked my interview in Nassau Bahamas..for some reason i called up US embassy in Nassau and they told me they are not doing H1 B extension stamping..Once i got confirmation I cancelled my interview ...and cancelled tickets(loss 300 bucks because of change fees which airlines are ripping common people)..By the way i did do once extension in Nassau in 2007 and it was piece of cake and it is close to my place Tampa...So please check back with them and then go!..Good luck..

[vizcard]

SKPANDA

Just a quick note:

I was planning to go to Bahamas in June 2011 ..booked my tickets/blocked my interview in Nassau Bahamas..for some reason i called up US embassy in Nassau and they told me they are not doing H1 B extension stamping..Once i got confirmation I cancelled my interview ...and cancelled tickets(loss 300 bucks because of change fees which airlines are ripping common people)..By the way i did do once extension in Nassau in 2007 and it was piece of cake and it is close to my place Tampa...So please check back with them and then go!..Good luck..

My cousin called recently as well (in the last month). He got the same response.

[ChampU]

Hello Guys,

Pardon me if i am interrupting the flow of discussion.

I was convicted of a DUI in New Jersey in 2007. I have completed all the formalities and also have the court disposition letter. I have these questions:

1. Do I need to include the original court disposition letter (with the court seal) in my I-485 packet or is a notarized copy enough? Its not a big deal to get that letter, it costs about $20 and I can get it in 2-3 days.
2. I plan to include copies of the police report, court documents, course completion certificate, receipts and the disposition letter. Do all these documents need to be notarized?
3. DUI s not a criminal offense in NJ (At least it wasn't in 2007). I was not finger printed. I have my lawyer's letter that states this. Do I also include it in the packet?

It was a big big mistake in my life and I want to make sure that it doesn't have any adverse impact on the GC process. Are there any other steps that I need to take?

Thanks a lot!

[Waiting4Ever]

Hey Guys new to the thread....
PD:2/1/2011

2 Questions:
1. Assuming that the Fairness for immigrants bill becomes law. Guru's: How do you see the predictions change?
2. I am a people manager, never worked in India or else where. Is it possible to get to jump company and apply in EB1?(Desperation, Been on H1B for 8 years)

Thanks much..

[Eb2_Dec07]

I believe Friday next 11th is a federal holiday isn't it ?? So VB might have to come before that. My gut feeling is this friday is THE day folks.
I'm frantically checking the DOS VB webpage lot of times just in case ....

[sandeep11]

LoL...same here...:)


:) dude its getting difficult to pass time. Minutes passing like hours.

[Monica12]

Nishant, Gcseeker and others waiting to be current,
Hang in there buddies....praying for you guys..hopefully tomorrow is the day :)
Otherwise, next week for sure you guys will get electrified !

[Eb2_Dec07]

Hey Guys , for the filing of I 485 , we have an attorney and I was wondering , besides supplying the all paperwork , what forms are we as an applicant are expected to fill by ourselves.

[Eb2_Dec07]

I'll try to answer.

Q1) Please keep a minimum wait of 3.5 years assuming fairness act will turn in to a law. Remember 140K visa limit annually is not changing . So really hope for SOFAD to spill over to EB2 besides the fairness act guaranteed numbers.

Q2) I would be a little doubtful if you will qualify for EB1 . EB1 these days is under intense scrutiny and your employer should be big enough to have international engagements and your role should be broad enough to be an international executive . Most importantly your employer should really go all out to support your case to make it EB1 . Per my knowledge of EB1 cases , typically many dont qualify , however depending on how flexible their organization is pushing it for you , it is a great option if you can .


Hey Guys new to the thread....
PD:2/1/2011

2 Questions:
1. Assuming that the Fairness for immigrants bill becomes law. Guru's: How do you see the predictions change?
2. I am a people manager, never worked in India or else where. Is it possible to get to jump company and apply in EB1?(Desperation, Been on H1B for 8 years)

Thanks much..

[natvyas]

I just wanted to open up the topic of Demand Data, for discussion. IMHO the cumulative demand data for India and China (prior to 1 January 2008) should atleast remain the same (if not decrease) from the number of 2675.

What do you folks think?

[gc_usa]

I just wanted to open up the topic of Demand Data, for discussion. IMHO the cumulative demand data for India and China (prior to 1 January 2008) should atleast remain the same (if not decrease) from the number of 2675.

What do you folks think?

It will be Half down.

[nishant2200]

I just wanted to open up the topic of Demand Data, for discussion. IMHO the cumulative demand data for India and China (prior to 1 January 2008) should atleast remain the same (if not decrease) from the number of 2675.

What do you folks think?

I agree with you. Unless he is doing any QSP allocation.

[nishant2200]

Oh law firm updated page with stay tuned for Dec VB link. Progress.

[kd2008]

Oh law firm updated page with stay tuned for Dec VB link. Progress.

Nishant, just my 2c of brotherly advice. You are way over invested and over obsessed about this bulletin - I would say to the point of being unhealthy. It will arrive in due course and it won't change anything that matters in your life - your family, your friends, your self-worth, your memories etc.

[vizcard]

I can understand why Nishant (or anyone else is antsy). It's the light at the end of a VERY long tunnel (and its not a freight train).

[sunny4gc]

I wish everyone best of luck for the forthcoming visa bulletin.

I should be current (PD 12/2007) by this bulletin...

[sandeep11]

Eb2_Dec07-

Apart from the documentation you have to fill G325A form for each of the applicant, sign it and send it along with the rest of paperwork. All other forms would be filled by your attorney and should be reviewd along with you. For medicals Doc office asked me to showup for the tests and they would fill everything, I will just review my personal details and confirm they are correct.



Hey Guys , for the filing of I 485 , we have an attorney and I was wondering , besides supplying the all paperwork , what forms are we as an applicant are expected to fill by ourselves.

[venkimakthal]

Based on trackitt data, i see one 485 approved on 11/1 and one 485 approved on 11/2 from India EB2.
May be CO does not have enough visas for this month. Any ideas?

[arikepudi]

My PD is 12/19/07, If i become current in dec bulletin, Will i be able to apply for 485 starting Dec 1st till the end of December or can i apply starting the release of the bulletin till Dec end. Just want to make sure what is the valid period for a visa bulltin to apply. Reason i am asking because, i am not getting any doctor appointments near my area till Dec first week.

[venkimakthal]

My PD is 12/19/07, If i become current in dec bulletin, Will i be able to apply for 485 starting Dec 1st till the end of December or can i apply starting the release of the bulletin till Dec end. Just want to make sure what is the valid period for a visa bulltin to apply. Reason i am asking because, i am not getting any doctor appointments near my area till Dec first week.

You will be able to apply the 485 between Dec 1 - Dec 31 only if you are current in Dec VB.

[kpt112107]

U can apply later also if dates won't retrogress.


You will be able to apply the 485 between Dec 1 - Dec 31 only if you are current in Dec VB.

[gc0907]

No you don't have to file anything extra yourself. That's the reason you have attorney, to do the work for you.
or may be you should be more specific what made you ask this?
You can check this thread (http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php?41-Prepare-to-file-I485).


Hey Guys , for the filing of I 485 , we have an attorney and I was wondering , besides supplying the all paperwork , what forms are we as an applicant are expected to fill by ourselves.

[gc_usa]

I re read on murthy's site and found this.

"There is a possibility that the EB2 cutoff date in December could be even more favorable than March 1, 2008. Since cutoff dates are based on estimates of demand, the DOS will use data regarding early November 2011 adjustment-of-status filings (Form I-485), prior to establishing the December cutoff date. The cutoff date movement in the November 2011 Visa Bulletin permits a large number of individuals to file for adjustment of status as of November 1st. The DOS monitors the filings to determine whether anticipated demand matches the actual demand for visa numbers."

If that is the case then they will wait for more time to get idea. Or they can go up to March 2008 this month and in Jan they will use nov filling as pivot point to decide how many they will get in Dec.

They can't use oct since that was most favorable date in 2007 and only give them PWMB .. but Nov can give them full idea of average demand per month.

Lets see what he does.

[vizcard]

I re read on murthy's site and found this.

"There is a possibility that the EB2 cutoff date in December could be even more favorable than March 1, 2008. Since cutoff dates are based on estimates of demand, the DOS will use data regarding early November 2011 adjustment-of-status filings (Form I-485), prior to establishing the December cutoff date. The cutoff date movement in the November 2011 Visa Bulletin permits a large number of individuals to file for adjustment of status as of November 1st. The DOS monitors the filings to determine whether anticipated demand matches the actual demand for visa numbers."

If that is the case then they will wait for more time to get idea. Or they can go up to March 2008 this month and in Jan they will use nov filling as pivot point to decide how many they will get in Dec.

They can't use oct since that was most favorable date in 2007 and only give them PWMB .. but Nov can give them full idea of average demand per month.

Lets see what he does.

I believe Nov demand will impact the Jan and Feb VB rather than Dec. Personally, I don't expect dates to move ahead until April anyway (the next QSP) - after Dec VB.

[TeddyKoochu]

Based on trackitt data, i see one 485 approved on 11/1 and one 485 approved on 11/2 from India EB2.
May be CO does not have enough visas for this month. Any ideas?

So far the approvals have been extremely lukewarm at best. The 11/02 approval is EB2 ROW the guy is from Germany and the 11/01 approval is from someone with a Sep 2006 PD who had an interview so must have had a cap number reserved for his case kind off when his interview was scheduled. Besides that I read of another one which is again ROW - Cross chargeability. It’s still early days however if we do not see many approvals then it is indicative of numbers not being allocated. There were still 2.5K cases available by the last demand data. QBF what’s the news on MITTBS.

[soggadu]

Hello Guys,

Pardon me if i am interrupting the flow of discussion.

I was convicted of a DUI in New Jersey in 2007. I have completed all the formalities and also have the court disposition letter. I have these questions:

1. Do I need to include the original court disposition letter (with the court seal) in my I-485 packet or is a notarized copy enough? Its not a big deal to get that letter, it costs about $20 and I can get it in 2-3 days.
2. I plan to include copies of the police report, court documents, course completion certificate, receipts and the disposition letter. Do all these documents need to be notarized?
3. DUI s not a criminal offense in NJ (At least it wasn't in 2007). I was not finger printed. I have my lawyer's letter that states this. Do I also include it in the packet?

It was a big big mistake in my life and I want to make sure that it doesn't have any adverse impact on the GC process. Are there any other steps that I need to take?

Thanks a lot!

Champu bhai.... on this one, please dont listen to anyone other than your immigration lawyer experienced in these situations... i wish you all the best and darne ka nahi....even with DUI, lot/almost all get their GC's....just need a good eligible experienced lawyer....galtiyan sabse hoti hein bhai... tension nahi lena ka....

[natvyas]

Champu bhai.... on this one, please dont listen to anyone other than your immigration lawyer experienced in these situations... i wish you all the best and darne ka nahi....even with DUI, lot/almost all get their GC's....just need a good eligible experienced lawyer.....aur jagah dekh ke darru peene ka

Just kidding.....no offense meant

[qblogfan]

T, I checked MITBBS these days and there is ZERO approval in November. I think maybe the total approval is close to the 26% of EB2 annual quota. Maybe they stopped approvals and will resume in the next quarter in January. Nobody knows what's going on. Maybe they will start approving in this Friday?


So far the approvals have been extremely lukewarm at best. The 11/02 approval is EB2 ROW the guy is from Germany and the 11/01 approval is from someone with a Sep 2006 PD who had an interview so must have had a cap number reserved for his case kind off when his interview was scheduled. Besides that I read of another one which is again ROW - Cross chargeability. It’s still early days however if we do not see many approvals then it is indicative of numbers not being allocated. There were still 2.5K cases available by the last demand data. QBF what’s the news on MITTBS.

[suninphx]

T, I checked MITBBS these days and there is ZERO approval in November. I think maybe the total approval is close to the 26% of EB2 annual quota. Maybe they stopped approvals and will resume in the next quarter in January. Nobody knows what's going on. Maybe they will start approving in this Friday?

I checked back few months - we get concerned about no approvals at start of each month. I am not drawing any conclusions but just an observation.

[qblogfan]

It is very ridiculous! Many of them got GC in 1 year or less, we are getting GC in 5 years. Now they are complaining............

In the same industry, the competition is unfair. In the same company, one Korean guy got his GC in several months and jumped to a better company. one Indian/Chinese guy has to stick to a low pay job for 5 years or more before advancing in careers.

It's like a Chinese guy has a rope attached to his testicles and the Korean guy has no rope attached and these two guys are boxing on the stage. The Chinese guy can't jump because he feels the pain whenever he jumps. Now the Chinese guy asks the judge to release this rope to have a fair competition with the Korean guy. The Korean guy complains to the judge: don't release the rope, let his testicle pain continue.......


Koreans opposed HR 3012.

In a letter for committee leaders, the Korean-American Scientists and Engineers Association said the law would create a two-year wait for Koreans who get science, technology, engineering or math (STEM) degrees from universities in the U.S. It urged the committee "not to force engineers from Korea to wait [an] additional two years in their immigration process to get green cards."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221292/GOP_advances_bill_to_help_China_India_tech_grads?t axonomyId=72

[cbpds1]

Awesome logic !!!


It is very ridiculous! Many of them got GC in 1 year or less, we are getting GC in 5 years. Now they are complaining............

In the same industry, the competition is unfair. In the same company, one Korean guy got his GC in several months and jumped to a better company. one Indian/Chinese guy has to stick to a low pay job for 5 years or more before advancing in careers.

It's like a Chinese guy has a rope attached to his testicles and the Korean guy has no rope attached and these two guys are boxing on the stage. The Chinese guy can't jump because he feels the pain whenever he jumps. Now the Chinese guy asks the judge to release this rope to have a fair competition with the Korean guy. The Korean guy complains to the judge: don't release the rope, let his testicle pain continue.......

[Eb2_Dec07]

Very well put and funny Qblogfan .


It is very ridiculous! Many of them got GC in 1 year or less, we are getting GC in 5 years. Now they are complaining............

In the same industry, the competition is unfair. In the same company, one Korean guy got his GC in several months and jumped to a better company. one Indian/Chinese guy has to stick to a low pay job for 5 years or more before advancing in careers.

It's like a Chinese guy has a rope attached to his testicles and the Korean guy has no rope attached and these two guys are boxing on the stage. The Chinese guy can't jump because he feels the pain whenever he jumps. Now the Chinese guy asks the judge to release this rope to have a fair competition with the Korean guy. The Korean guy complains to the judge: don't release the rope, let his testicle pain continue.......

[suninphx]

It is very ridiculous! Many of them got GC in 1 year or less, we are getting GC in 5 years. Now they are complaining............

In the same industry, the competition is unfair. In the same company, one Korean guy got his GC in several months and jumped to a better company. one Indian/Chinese guy has to stick to a low pay job for 5 years or more before advancing in careers.

It's like a Chinese guy has a rope attached to his testicles and the Korean guy has no rope attached and these two guys are boxing on the stage. The Chinese guy can't jump because he feels the pain whenever he jumps. Now the Chinese guy asks the judge to release this rope to have a fair competition with the Korean guy. The Korean guy complains to the judge: don't release the rope, let his testicle pain continue.......

lol ...I am going to tell this around at my work :) (Dont worry I will be careful when I select the audience)

[Eb2_Dec07]

Guys with out my fault and because of my employer's mistake back in 2009 , I was out of status for over 2 months . My employer withdrew my visa and didnt tell me . He told me 2 months after he did it and I rushed to apply for h4 since spouse on h1b and h4 got approved , got an h1 with a new employer and then about 1 year transferred h1 to my current MNC corporation. I have an M.S from a reputed university and about overall 3 h1b's and 2 h4s all approved. Now as my spouse primary is readying to file for 485 next month ( if current for Dec PD 07 Ind) , jitters running through thinking about those 2 months of out of status. I had already put this question to this forum earlier and Q was kind enough to answer. I'm fearful of any rfe since that year I did not have payroll run for few months and dont have pay stubs if proof is sought. Since that incident I have no t left the country or traveled outside . I confronted my ex employer and he said since I'm not the primary applicant I should be ok . Any thoughts from gurus ? Now I'm also wondering if in the form somewhere I should accept that I had been out of status or not .

[gcseeker]

Monica behen

Thanks for those prayers. They mean a lot...just hope this VB comes soon.

Nishant, Gcseeker and others waiting to be current,
Hang in there buddies....praying for you guys..hopefully tomorrow is the day :)
Otherwise, next week for sure you guys will get electrified !


Qblogfan...

Hilarious.Simply hilarious.I cannot get the visualization out of my mind :) ,just like suninphx will be sharing this with my colleagues.


It is very ridiculous! Many of them got GC in 1 year or less, we are getting GC in 5 years. Now they are complaining............

In the same industry, the competition is unfair. In the same company, one Korean guy got his GC in several months and jumped to a better company. one Indian/Chinese guy has to stick to a low pay job for 5 years or more before advancing in careers.

It's like a Chinese guy has a rope attached to his testicles and the Korean guy has no rope attached and these two guys are boxing on the stage. The Chinese guy can't jump because he feels the pain whenever he jumps. Now the Chinese guy asks the judge to release this rope to have a fair competition with the Korean guy. The Korean guy complains to the judge: don't release the rope, let his testicle pain continue.......

[vchirakala]

Hi Guru's,

Do we need to have all the tax return copies when filing I-485 ? if so how many years copies do we need ?

[leo07]

ooouch...I tried to jump and it really hurts. I'm not Chinese either :)

It is very ridiculous! Many of them got GC in 1 year or less, we are getting GC in 5 years. Now they are complaining............

In the same industry, the competition is unfair. In the same company, one Korean guy got his GC in several months and jumped to a better company. one Indian/Chinese guy has to stick to a low pay job for 5 years or more before advancing in careers.

It's like a Chinese guy has a rope attached to his testicles and the Korean guy has no rope attached and these two guys are boxing on the stage. The Chinese guy can't jump because he feels the pain whenever he jumps. Now the Chinese guy asks the judge to release this rope to have a fair competition with the Korean guy. The Korean guy complains to the judge: don't release the rope, let his testicle pain continue.......

[leo07]

Check with your attorney if he is submitting tax docs. Not every attorney is submitting them. I guess it depends on case by case or the size/reputation of the organization filing GC. The last part is just my conclusion, by seeing so many other posts, of course :)

Hi Guru's,

Do we need to have all the tax return copies when filing I-485 ? if so how many years copies do we need ?

[vizcard]

Check with your attorney if he is submitting tax docs. Not every attorney is submitting them. I guess it depends on case by case or the size/reputation of the organization filing GC. The last part is just my conclusion, by seeing so many other posts, of course :)

Fragomen hasn't asked me for tax returns.

[vchirakala]

She just replied that she needs only Pay stubs and W2. Not the tax return copies.
Check with your attorney if he is submitting tax docs. Not every attorney is submitting them. I guess it depends on case by case or the size/reputation of the organization filing GC. The last part is just my conclusion, by seeing so many other posts, of course :)

[natvyas]

Fragomen hasn't asked me for tax returns.

vizcard

Is Fragomen preparing your paperwork. I see your PD is Aug 08 however my company uses the same law firm and they arent moving forward.

Regards
Nat

[sandeep11]

I was asked for the recent W2/Tax Returns/Latest Pay Stubs. Again it depeneds from lawyer to lawyer. Go by what your attorney is comfortable with.


Fragomen hasn't asked me for tax returns.

[ChampU]

Champu bhai.... on this one, please dont listen to anyone other than your immigration lawyer experienced in these situations... i wish you all the best and darne ka nahi....even with DUI, lot/almost all get their GC's....just need a good eligible experienced lawyer....galtiyan sabse hoti hein bhai... tension nahi lena ka....

Soggadu.. Thanks a lot, bhai..

I had spoken to my company's immigration lawyer after the incident and when I went for my visa stamping. His take was "no criminal offense" was a HUGE plus in my case.. Hopefully everything should be ok..
The whole experience was a nightmare when it happened. Tab g**d fati thi, lekin uski wajah se kaafi positive changes hue life mein.. I had stopped thinking about it, but when I'm preparing the docs for filing I-485, yeh gadaa murda ukhad aaya.. Dimaakh mein Jagjit Singh ki ek ghazal (main chahta bhi yehi tha, woh bewafa nikale) ka ek sher constantly chal raha hain..

"Kitaab-e-maazi ke panne ulat ke dekh jara..
Na jaane kaun sa panna muda hua nikale"..

[soggadu]

Soggadu.. Thanks a lot, bhai..

I had spoken to my company's immigration lawyer after the incident and when I went for my visa stamping. His take was "no criminal offense" was a HUGE plus in my case.. Hopefully everything should be ok..
The whole experience was a nightmare when it happened. Tab g**d fati thi, lekin uski wajah se kaafi positive changes hue life mein.. I had stopped thinking about it, but when I'm preparing the docs for filing I-485, yeh gadaa murda ukhad aaya.. Dimaakh mein Jagjit Singh ki ek ghazal (main chahta bhi yehi tha, woh bewafa nikale) ka ek sher constantly chal raha hain..

"Kitaab-e-maazi ke panne ulat ke dekh jara..
Na jaane kaun sa panna muda hua nikale"..

champu bhai...even earth was formed after an explosion, so look into the bright side of it...i have full confidence that you will go thru...

[ChampU]

Champu bhai.... on this one, please dont listen to anyone other than your immigration lawyer experienced in these situations... i wish you all the best and darne ka nahi....even with DUI, lot/almost all get their GC's....just need a good eligible experienced lawyer.....aur jagah dekh ke darru peene ka

Just kidding.....no offense meant

Bhai.. jab yeh locha life mein hua tab to temporarily pina chod diya tha..Ab to bhaiyaa ek rule banaaya hain..

wahi jagah tabiyat se daaru piyenge jaha aaram se raat guzaar sake..
Raat na guzaar paaye to theek samay ke liye ruke..

[Reader]

When the attorney asks for the tax returns, is it only the Federal returns that we have to provide??? Is my understanding correct or do we have to give the state returns as well? I can ask questions to the attorney only after my date is current.

[H1GC140]

Hello Gurus,

I have a same problem with my wife's H4 Visa. My employer's name is miss-typed on her H4 visa.(ie. instead of "ABC", they wrote "ABNC"). Do we have to correct it? My concern is if we go to consulate they will give us 221(G) and then we don’t know when we will get her passport back. FYI, she already has her returned ticket.

Should it create any problem in future immigration process or port of entry? Please advise.



Sorry for cluttering the forum - Q - please remove this later to appropriate location.

As I had posted, I am in India with my wife for Diwali. We went to New Delhi Embassy for our H1B stamping - our interview was fine and quick (I work for a large Univ in Business School and she works for a large bank). We got our visas back in 3-4 days - all fine - except - they had printed our Employer Names wrong - wrong campus in my case and National Association in her case instead of North America (for HSBC N A). They asked her to submit the passports back for visa correction to VFS with a cover letter. We did that. No response for a week and finally today we got an email saying that the passport is for 221(g) administrative processing.

This is such a shock to us. We are on H1B for more than 3 years and this was just a reissue of the visa. There is nothing in our background that will inspire suspicion. We even had the visa - it was their mistake that they printed our employer name wrong (BOTH OF THEM!) - and now we are stuck.

PLEASE if anyone has any thoughts on the way forward - please let me know. This is the first time I have ever had any immigration problem and don't know what to do. Please help.

[nishant2200]

Nishant, just my 2c of brotherly advice. You are way over invested and over obsessed about this bulletin - I would say to the point of being unhealthy. It will arrive in due course and it won't change anything that matters in your life - your family, your friends, your self-worth, your memories etc.

point taken kd. Its difficult to do so though when 8 days from last cut off, but I see where you are coming from.

Just ordered a pizza hut pizza in all its glory. I have been sick with cold and fever, glad right now, so that doesn't impede me during the 485 running around.

Now for the cheese and to indulge.

[vizcard]

vizcard

Is Fragomen preparing your paperwork. I see your PD is Aug 08 however my company uses the same law firm and they arent moving forward.

Regards
Nat

They haven't started doing my paperwork yet. They sent me the doc list so that I can start to gather my stuff.

[ChampU]

Haal -e- Dil..

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRG09nhVQOQXIzFKObnv3uIjTw9CcFI1 _JOyMRY5TRpcqVhMmOb

[longgcque]

QBF, This was a good one and speaks of our pain.


It is very ridiculous! Many of them got GC in 1 year or less, we are getting GC in 5 years. Now they are complaining............

In the same industry, the competition is unfair. In the same company, one Korean guy got his GC in several months and jumped to a better company. one Indian/Chinese guy has to stick to a low pay job for 5 years or more before advancing in careers.

It's like a Chinese guy has a rope attached to his testicles and the Korean guy has no rope attached and these two guys are boxing on the stage. The Chinese guy can't jump because he feels the pain whenever he jumps. Now the Chinese guy asks the judge to release this rope to have a fair competition with the Korean guy. The Korean guy complains to the judge: don't release the rope, let his testicle pain continue.......

[qblogfan]

haha, I am glad you guys like this joke.

We have been waiting for GC for too long. I hope all of us will get freedom soon!


QBF, This was a good one and speaks of our pain.

[Eb2_Dec07]

Thanks Pedro. Except for that one blip , I dont think I have had any issues with my immigration. Are you supplying all of your spouses visa approvals or 797s or just the current one. It gives me some confidence since they had approved my h4 despite the delay. If I'm so unlucky that they zero in on that specific scenario , then not sure what kind of proof I can get possibly . I'm hoping they will breeze through . Yes I do have an attorney so let's see how it goes.



I've been following Guru Nishant's advice and have been preparing my paperwork for my I485 submission and I haven't seen anything here that requires docs from my wife (i'm the primary) to prove that she's been in status throughout. Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone. Amongst the list of items my lawyer had asked me to keep ready, the most painful was all docs required (I90s, 94s, 797s, etc) to prove that I was in status all the way from when I first came here in 2003 (not for submission I believe, just to satisfy her and have it ready in case of an RFE), and when I asked if she needed this stuff for my wife too, she said she didn't. So, I think you should be fine unless something else in your history triggers an RFE. Still, I'd recommend a consultation with a good lawyer (if you don't already have one), to ask them about this. Amortize the $500 it would cost you over the rest of your life, and it's probably come out to less than $1 per month. Money well spent, I think.

[nayekal]

I've been following Guru Nishant's advice and have been preparing my paperwork for my I485 submission and I haven't seen anything here that requires docs from my wife (i'm the primary) to prove that she's been in status throughout. Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone. Amongst the list of items my lawyer had asked me to keep ready, the most painful was all docs required (I90s, 94s, 797s, etc) to prove that I was in status all the way from when I first came here in 2003 (not for submission I believe, just to satisfy her and have it ready in case of an RFE), and when I asked if she needed this stuff for my wife too, she said she didn't. So, I think you should be fine unless something else in your history triggers an RFE. Still, I'd recommend a consultation with a good lawyer (if you don't already have one), to ask them about this. Amortize the $500 it would cost you over the rest of your life, and it's probably come out to less than $1 per month. Money well spent, I think.

True. My Attorney asked me to submit only the most recent copies of I94, I797 and Biographic pages for my wife (I am the primary applicant).
I read some where that, if some one is out of status, they can go out and get the Visa stamped. This will resolve their out of status issue.
Moreover the back ground check revolves around the primary applicant, but it doesn't mean that they will not check the legal status of dependents.

[SmileBaba]

They haven't started doing my paperwork yet. They sent me the doc list so that I can start to gather my stuff.

Hi buddy! Can you please share the list of documents that Fragomen firm asks for filing I485? Thanks!

[vchirakala]

vizcard what is your PD ?? Mine is 04/18/2008 and I haven't received anything from them.

[ggk189]

gurus,
I have a question.My H1 elapsed last month(could not extend it because of lack of ead /6 year completion/ my GC did not advance until I140 ) hence applied for H4 visa. All I have is a receipt for H4 that it is applied. My spouse priority date is feb 2008 under EB2I. In case if the dates become current for applying for 485 should I need to have H4 approval or does the receipt suffice.

[ChampU]

gurus,
I have a question.My H1 elapsed last month(could not extend it because of lack of ead /6 year completion/ my GC did not advance until I140 ) hence applied for H4 visa. All I have is a receipt for H4 that it is applied. My spouse priority date is feb 2008 under EB2I. In case if the dates become current for applying for 485 should I need to have H4 approval or does the receipt suffice.

A friend of mine was in a similar position back in August 2007.. He had applied for H1 extension and it was in process while his PD became current.. his lawyer submitted the receipt as a proof of his current status.. His H1 was approved about 15 days after he submitted the I-485 application. When he went for the biometrics, he carried his approved H1 and a copy of it and told the officer about it. He handed over the copy to the officer, at the time of biometrics.

He was expecting a RFE about the current status, but didn't receive any. His GC was approved recently. The officer must have updated something in the system or he could have received an RFE for a different reason (that I'm not aware of) and he updated it in the system.

I guess your situation is similar to his, so you should be fine.

[qblogfan]

I think the Dec VB may be released tomorrow or next Monday.

nishant bhai, are you ready for tomorrow's VB?

I hope good luck to both of us.


point taken kd. Its difficult to do so though when 8 days from last cut off, but I see where you are coming from.

Just ordered a pizza hut pizza in all its glory. I have been sick with cold and fever, glad right now, so that doesn't impede me during the 485 running around.

Now for the cheese and to indulge.

[leo07]

I'm thinking if VB were to come tomorrow they would have released Demand Data by now. Likely, it's tuesday of next week?


I think the Dec VB may be released tomorrow or next Monday.

nishant bhai, are you ready for tomorrow's VB?

I hope good luck to both of us.

[iatiam]

Stepping in to Nishant's shoes, I can very well understand the situation. My PD is several years from being current, still when the VB comes out, its like my whole life depends on it. Now take that and exponentially increase it and see how it feels like when you are 8 days away.

I wish good luck to Nishant and all others whose PD is getting near.


point taken kd. Its difficult to do so though when 8 days from last cut off, but I see where you are coming from.

Just ordered a pizza hut pizza in all its glory. I have been sick with cold and fever, glad right now, so that doesn't impede me during the 485 running around.

Now for the cheese and to indulge.

[ggk189]

ChampU,
Thanks for the amazingly fast response.

A friend of mine was in a similar position back in August 2007.. He had applied for H1 extension and it was in process while his PD became current.. his lawyer submitted the receipt as a proof of his current status.. His H1 was approved about 15 days after he submitted the I-485 application. When he went for the biometrics, he carried his approved H1 and a copy of it and told the officer about it. He handed over the copy to the officer, at the time of biometrics.

He was expecting a RFE about the current status, but didn't receive any. His GC was approved recently. The officer must have updated something in the system or he could have received an RFE for a different reason (that I'm not aware of) and he updated it in the system.

I guess your situation is similar to his, so you should be fine.

[leo07]

Documents for 495 are very generic. Tax returns are the only major difference that I have seen so far.
here is a link:http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=3faf2c1a6855d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCR D&vgnextchannel=db029c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD


Hi buddy! Can you please share the list of documents that Fragomen firm asks for filing I485? Thanks!

[SmileBaba]

I'm thinking if VB were to come tomorrow they would have released Demand Data by now. Likely, it's tuesday of next week?

Baba agrees with you! :D

[SmileBaba]

Documents for 495 are very generic. Tax returns are the only major difference that I have seen so far.
here is a link:http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=3faf2c1a6855d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCR D&vgnextchannel=db029c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD

No offense..but I have seen a lot of difference in opinions among lawyers. Some asks for W2's, paystubs etc. for last 1/2/3 years. I asked Vizcard to share Fragomen's I485 list of documents because Fragomen is one of the prominent lawyer firm.

[bieber]

Admin/Moderators

if possible, please move all personal questions and non-prediction/calculation related posts to different thread. Last few pages have none of the thread related posts

[leo07]

Yup, I totally agree this thread had outgrown the purpose. Mostly because people have started filing for 485 and CO himself is doing the predictions these days:)
In a way, CO is competing with Spec,Q,Nishanth, Teddy, Veni & co :)


Admin/Moderators

if possible, please move all personal questions and non-prediction/calculation related posts to different thread. Last few pages have none of the thread related posts

[leo07]

No worries. I hear you :)

No offense..but I have seen a lot of difference in opinions among lawyers. Some asks for W2's, paystubs etc. for last 1/2/3 years. I asked Vizcard to share Fragomen's I485 list of documents because Fragomen is one of the prominent lawyer firm.

[mysati]

Hi ggk,

Note sure if my response is too late for you. Posting here just in case, it might help you somehow or anyone else in a similar situation.

My H1 was extended, beyond the 6 year period, on the basis of a PERM that was pending for more than a year. My PERM was in audit and got cleared through the backlog reduction process only after 2 years. In the meantime, I had got my extension and visa stamping done.

It specifically stated in my extension that the reason for extension beyond the 6 year limit is due to PERM being in pending status for more than a year.



gurus,
I have a question.My H1 elapsed last month(could not extend it because of lack of ead /6 year completion/ my GC did not advance until I140 ) hence applied for H4 visa. All I have is a receipt for H4 that it is applied. My spouse priority date is feb 2008 under EB2I. In case if the dates become current for applying for 485 should I need to have H4 approval or does the receipt suffice.

[gc0907]

If Fragomen isn't your attorney, you are just going to confuse yourself. And believe me if the list by Fragomen and your attorney differs, you are going to be worried and tensed. Sometimes the more you know the more you will be confused.
Also each case is different based on individual's past and present circumustances. So some case needs W2s, paystubs, etc. as supporting documents but others don't. And that could be the reason why USCIS doesn't mention it is required.

So I would suggest you should stick and trust your attorney's instructions or else should hire Fragomen.


No offense..but I have seen a lot of difference in opinions among lawyers. Some asks for W2's, paystubs etc. for last 1/2/3 years. I asked Vizcard to share Fragomen's I485 list of documents because Fragomen is one of the prominent lawyer firm.

[nabrika]

Agree..I was looking for demand data whole day......As Nishantbhai said...every hours seems like a day :)


I'm thinking if VB were to come tomorrow they would have released Demand Data by now. Likely, it's tuesday of next week?

[nabrika]

I do not mean to confuse anyone but I got below information from CM at US-Non-Immigrants Blog

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http://us-non-immigrants.blogspot.com/2011/10/visa-bulletin-predictions-from-mr.html



Today I talked to our attorney friend and asked him his views on statement made by Mr. Oppenheim about future movements within EB and FB category and what information they have across their law firm regarding EB2- IC

Here is his feedback as per information floating around the firm.

"Mr. Oppenheim did make those projections for EB and FB category. All the stated projections did came from Mr. Oppenheim himself. Everything other than "01 March 2008" for EB2 IC was explicitly stated. During addressing everyone in meeting Mr Oppenheim mentioned that significant movement as big as 3-4 months is expected in December bulletin with follow on movement in Jan- Feb 2012 based on demand. I(attorney) am not sure if specific date of '01 Mar 2008' was given to specific group of people later on but was not mentioned in our presence. On asking about excessive backlog in currently released inventory and it's repercussion on the stated projections, Mr. Oppenheim mentioned that he is not aware of released data from USCIS and will look into it later. Nevertheless, he still made it very clear that some significant movement for EB2 India and China is necessary to generate demand for fiscal year in order to keep cases adjudicated for processing at USCIS later in the year.

Based on released inventory it may be that Mr. Oppenheim will rethink his projected movement for EB2 India and China. I(attorney) believe this would mean bigger movement than 3-4 months for EB2 India and China in December and early retrogression than projected in summer 2012 in such case. Mr. Oppenheim was insistent about acute need to ensure enough cases are ready for adjudication before summer 2012."

CM - I believe this is very good news but please take it with a grain of salt. Let's hope for the best and be ready for the worst.

[leo07]

I can totally imagine the nerve wrecking tension. Hang in there strong, I some how feel that the news is going to be good. ( even if we know that it's going to be a temporary movement :))


Agree..I was looking for demand data whole day......As Nishantbhai said...every hours seems like a day :)

[leo07]

Get well soon. ( not munna bhai estyle, but seriously :)
As of now , it looks like VB will wait for your fever/cold to come down until Monday/Tuesday

btw, your PD anniversary is on 11/8 as well :)

point taken kd. Its difficult to do so though when 8 days from last cut off, but I see where you are coming from.

Just ordered a pizza hut pizza in all its glory. I have been sick with cold and fever, glad right now, so that doesn't impede me during the 485 running around.

Now for the cheese and to indulge.

[indiasunil]

Most of us waiting for lucky day.. Just wait 24hrs maxxxxxx.

[tanu_75]

Is it a rule that VB is done 1-2 days after Demand data? I maybe wrong but I thought I noticed an instance (maybe last month or 2-3 months back) where the Demand data was either released same day as VB or even a day after.

[leo07]

There's lot of information and mis-information put together in different piles, depending on whom you ask. This could go into either of them. If at all, you may be adding a drop to the infinity (confusion), so no worries :)

I do not mean to confuse anyone but I got below information from CM at US-Non-Immigrants Blog

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http://us-non-immigrants.blogspot.com/2011/10/visa-bulletin-predictions-from-mr.html



Today I talked to our attorney friend and asked him his views on statement made by Mr. Oppenheim about future movements within EB and FB category and what information they have across their law firm regarding EB2- IC

Here is his feedback as per information floating around the firm.

"Mr. Oppenheim did make those projections for EB and FB category. All the stated projections did came from Mr. Oppenheim himself. Everything other than "01 March 2008" for EB2 IC was explicitly stated. During addressing everyone in meeting Mr Oppenheim mentioned that significant movement as big as 3-4 months is expected in December bulletin with follow on movement in Jan- Feb 2012 based on demand. I(attorney) am not sure if specific date of '01 Mar 2008' was given to specific group of people later on but was not mentioned in our presence. On asking about excessive backlog in currently released inventory and it's repercussion on the stated projections, Mr. Oppenheim mentioned that he is not aware of released data from USCIS and will look into it later. Nevertheless, he still made it very clear that some significant movement for EB2 India and China is necessary to generate demand for fiscal year in order to keep cases adjudicated for processing at USCIS later in the year.

Based on released inventory it may be that Mr. Oppenheim will rethink his projected movement for EB2 India and China. I(attorney) believe this would mean bigger movement than 3-4 months for EB2 India and China in December and early retrogression than projected in summer 2012 in such case. Mr. Oppenheim was insistent about acute need to ensure enough cases are ready for adjudication before summer 2012."

CM - I believe this is very good news but please take it with a grain of salt. Let's hope for the best and be ready for the worst.

[venkimakthal]

CO can release the Dec VB ASAP like tomorrow, Jan and Feb VB can make little late based on demand data

[belmontboy]

seems like two of colleagues had their 485 - apps filed at NSC.
However mine was filed at Phoenix Service Center.
Anybody else in same situation?

[chikitsak]

Lot of comments on need for Tax return or not.
Found this paragraph in instructions section. This may explain why some attorneys have asked for W2 and tax returns.

"What If You Claim Nonresident Alien Status on Your Federal Income Tax Return?
If you are an alien who has established residence in the United States after having been admitted as an immigrant or adjusted status to that of an immigrant, and are considering the filing of a nonresident alien tax return or the non-filing of a tax return on the ground that you are a nonresident alien, you should carefully review the consequences of such actions under the Immigration and Nationality Act.


If you file a nonresident alien tax return or fail to file a tax return, you may be regarded as having abandoned residence in the United States and as having lost your permanent resident status under the Act. As a consequence, you may be ineligible for a visa or other document for which permanent resident aliens are eligible.
You may also be inadmissible to the United States if you seek admission as a returning resident, and you may become ineligible for adjustment of status as a permanent resident, or naturalization on the basis of your original entry."

[ggk189]

mysati,
thanks for the response.since my case was not pending for more than one year I was not eligible for the same.

Hi ggk,

Note sure if my response is too late for you. Posting here just in case, it might help you somehow or anyone else in a similar situation.

My H1 was extended, beyond the 6 year period, on the basis of a PERM that was pending for more than a year. My PERM was in audit and got cleared through the backlog reduction process only after 2 years. In the meantime, I had got my extension and visa stamping done.

It specifically stated in my extension that the reason for extension beyond the 6 year limit is due to PERM being in pending status for more than a year.

[SmileBaba]

If Fragomen isn't your attorney, you are just going to confuse yourself. And believe me if the list by Fragomen and your attorney differs, you are going to be worried and tensed. Sometimes the more you know the more you will be confused.
Also each case is different based on individual's past and present circumustances. So some case needs W2s, paystubs, etc. as supporting documents but others don't. And that could be the reason why USCIS doesn't mention it is required.

So I would suggest you should stick and trust your attorney's instructions or else should hire Fragomen.

Agreed..Thanks!

[qesehmk]

Friends , i understand the anxiety around 485 filing and lots of questions. Also i understand why everyone wants to post here.

Personally i am quite time crunched and although I keep doing cleanup .... it is becoming difficult to spend enough time to keep the cleanup. The same is true for other gurus too.

May I ask for a few volunteers who could as much as they could keep this thread clean.

[Ramyasri]

The subject of the U.S. Department of State (DOS) Visa Bulletin cutoff date movement is extremely important to many MurthyDotCom and MurthyBulletin readers. We provide predictions only when they are based upon reliable information. What follows is such reliable information, as it was shared by Charles Oppenheim, Chief, Immigrant Visa Control and Reporting Division, DOS. As advised in our October 27, 2011 NewsFlash! EB2 Cutoff of Mar 1, 2008 Expected in December 2011! these predictions include significant movement in the employment-based, second preference (EB2) category for India and China in the upcoming months.

[nabrika]

Let me know if I can be of any help.


Friends , i understand the anxiety around 485 filing and lots of questions. Also i understand why everyone wants to post here.

Personally i am quite time crunched and although I keep doing cleanup .... it is becoming difficult to spend enough time to keep the cleanup. The same is true for other gurus too.

May I ask for a few volunteers who could as much as they could keep this thread clean.

[nishant2200]

I think the Dec VB may be released tomorrow or next Monday.

nishant bhai, are you ready for tomorrow's VB?

I hope good luck to both of us.

Ok qbf, and all others, this is my take. Today was no probability of VB anyways, it was only for demand data maybe. Last demand data was dated October 4th for data collection, the third working day of october, and today was the third working day of the month Nov 3. They published demand data on October 5th, the fourth working day of the month, tomorrow is the fourth working day of the month. They also released VB the same day.

Probability of VB releasing on the 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th is the same for now, and with each passing day after tomorrow, the probability of VB release on subsequent day will keep on getting higher!

I say the VB shall be released tomorrow. I know it has never happened, so early on the 4th of a month I think, but I am asking for it :) The demand data IMHO is not significant for this VB, it won't matter. Whatever CO wants to do, he will do. This VB he is the God, next VB on, USCIS and other reasonable factors too, shall affect and cloud his hands.


Admin/Moderators

if possible, please move all personal questions and non-prediction/calculation related posts to different thread. Last few pages have none of the thread related posts

I will get it cleaned once Dec VB pans out.


Get well soon. ( not munna bhai estyle, but seriously :)
As of now , it looks like VB will wait for your fever/cold to come down until Monday/Tuesday

btw, your PD anniversary is on 11/8 as well :)

Never thought of this, you are correct :D

[pdmay2008]

Hi ggk,

Note sure if my response is too late for you. Posting here just in case, it might help you somehow or anyone else in a similar situation.

My H1 was extended, beyond the 6 year period, on the basis of a PERM that was pending for more than a year. My PERM was in audit and got cleared through the backlog reduction process only after 2 years. In the meantime, I had got my extension and visa stamping done.

It specifically stated in my extension that the reason for extension beyond the 6 year limit is due to PERM being in pending status for more than a year.

Receipt should be fine. With Receipt your status is legal upto 240 days, if it is not approved until that time.

[jackbrown_890]

Friends , i understand the anxiety around 485 filing and lots of questions. Also i understand why everyone wants to post here.

Personally i am quite time crunched and although I keep doing cleanup .... it is becoming difficult to spend enough time to keep the cleanup. The same is true for other gurus too.

May I ask for a few volunteers who could as much as they could keep this thread clean.

let me know if there s anything I can do. I can spend some time doing that.

[nayekal]

let me know if there s anything I can do. I can spend some time doing that.

I believe Q is requesting us to not to post comments or suggestions related to any thing other than predictions in this particular thread.
Those respective posts can be done in other threads, which are open or create new ones (which I never tried), so that this thread will be nice & clean for every one to have clear look at the predictions and Q doesn't have to spend time in cleaning it.

Q and All, Please forgive me if I am mistaken...

[imdeng]

Thanks to all the helpful advice, I am happy to report that the 221G for correcting the employer's name in the H1B visa has been resolved. We received our passports back today, just in time for our flights back next week.

For future reference, I am documenting my experience here. My H1B visa stamping was done in New Delhi Embassy. When we received our passports back, we realized that the employer names had been misprinted (a different employer with a very similar name, somebody selected the wrong option on a drop down, I am amazed that there is no data validation for this critical step!). We contacted VFS and they asked us to submit the passport for visa correction with a cover letter and a small change fee. We did that on Oct 19th. We did not hear anything back for many days - so we sent emails to VFS and they told us that our case was in 221G processing. We duly freaked out and reached out to people here on the board - we received many informative replies with the common theme that 221G is a blanket umbrella term and since the visa is already issued, this is a minor case and it should not take much time. A 2-4 week typical turnaround time was mentioned. Today, its around 2 weeks and we got the corrected visas today. The old visa was stamped with "Cancelled Without Prejudice" and new visa with the correct employer name was printed on a new leaf. VFS staff mentioned that it took a little longer because of Diwali etc or such cases are usually done in a matter of days.

So a happy ending. Thank you again to all the posters who took the time out to share their experiences and advice. I hope my experience will be helpful to other people in similar situations in future.


Thanks Q, srimurthy, sandeep11, indiasunil, manubhai and mysati for your thoughtful replies. I am much relieved after your advice. Since they have not asked for any documents, I am just going to keep my fingers crossed, check my email like a maniac, inform my company of the stupidity, call VFS with the regularity of going to the loo after having golgappas* and finally, send laddus* to all of you once I land back in US.

*PS> QBF - golgappas are a street food in India that are sure to give you diarrhea (although I have avoided the fate on this trip) - but they are so tasty that you can not resist them. Laddus are a kind of sweet - usually distributed on occasions of celebration.

[Kanmani]

imdeng Congratulations! Happy to see you relieved.

[vizcard]

Hi buddy! Can you please share the list of documents that Fragomen firm asks for filing I485? Thanks!


vizcard what is your PD ?? Mine is 04/18/2008 and I haven't received anything from them.


Documents for 495 are very generic. Tax returns are the only major difference that I have seen so far.
here is a link:http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=3faf2c1a6855d010VgnVCM10000048f3d6a1RCR D&vgnextchannel=db029c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1 RCRD
PLEASE MOVE TO THE APPROPRIATE THREAD
I specifically asked for it a little while back. I wanted to be sure I atleast figured out gaps in my "packet" so that I could chase that down. They made a point to tell me NOT to do medicals or photos till I got current.

I-485 FILING SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS LIST
NAME OF APPLICANT: ___________________________________________

 Medicals: Sealed Medical Exam from a USCIS-approved physician. As part of the Adjustment of Status process, you and any family members applying with you will need to complete a medical exam with a USCIS-approved physician. For a list of USCIS-approved physicians, please refer to the USCIS Civil Surgeon Locator at the following web site, https://egov.uscis.gov/crisgwi/go?action=offices.type&OfficeLocator.office_type=CIV. You may also call the USCIS National Customer Service Center at 1-800-375-5283 to receive the names of USCIS-designated Civil Surgeons in your area. When contacting the physician's office for your appointment, you should inquire into which forms and/or documentation you will need to provide for the medical examination. If needed, Form I-693 can be downloaded from the USCIS website at the following link: http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-693.pdf.
 Photo ID: Two color photocopies of your photo ID (either driver's license or passport ID page) for yourself and each dependent applying with you
 Passports: Complete copy of current passports (including blank pages) as well as expired passports containing U.S. visa(s) for you and family members. (Copies should be made on full-size 8½ “ x 11” paper)
 Copy of most current I-94 card: (Copy should be made on full-size 8½ “ x 11” paper)
 Court and Prison Records: (if applicable) A certified copy of each court record or any prison record must be obtained for any criminal conviction(s).
 Marriage Certificates: (if applicable) A copy of an official marriage certificate. (This applies to all previous marriages, either in or outside the U.S., if married more than once.)
 Final Divorce Decree: (if applicable) Proof of termination of prior marriage(s), such as final decree of divorce, annulment, or death certificate. Custody documents must be provided for any minor children who will be applying for permanent residence. (Applies to all previous divorces or annulments, either in or outside the U.S.)
 Birth Certificates: A copy of an extract of a "Registered" birth certificate, for all applicants as well as children not applying with you, is required. The birth certificate must state the date and place of birth and full names of both parents, including the maiden name of the mother. (In some countries this is the form of birth record referred to as "full birth certificate" or "long-form birth certificate"). If you have legally changed your name since birth, other than through marriage, legal evidence of the name change must also be supplied.
 Forms I-797, I-129S: If current or prior H or L, provide copies of all Forms I-797 (approval notices) for you and family members. If entered on blanket L, provide copy of stamped I-129S.
 Employment Authorization: If current or prior F-1, J-1 or J-2, provide copies of all Forms DS2019 (formerly known as IAP-66), Form I-20s and EAD cards.
 8 Passport-style Photographs: Please clearly print your first/last name and your date of birth on the backside of each photograph in pencil. See photo specification sheet attached to our email.
 Legal evidence of name change except by marriage: (if applicable)
 Custody decree for children: (if applicable)

MISSING DOCUMENT (List any documents not submitted below and the reason for not submitting them)

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________

[polapragada]

No VB yet!!!

[qesehmk]

imdeng, We all are truly happy for you. Also thanks for noting your experience down. I am sure it will be helpful to others.

Thanks to all the helpful advice, I am happy to report that the 221G for correcting the employer's name in the H1B visa has been resolved.

As per moderators I have received quite a few names. Picked first 3 (jack brown, Monica, Pedro) and have given them moderator access.

As I said - I am not overly worried about keeping thread clean. Its more important that people benefit from this and then help each other. It will be nice if we raise these discussions in appropriate forums directly. But if somebody desperately wants visibility and uses this thread we shouldn't fault him/her.

Moderators, please use caution while using your powers. Freedom of speech and helping each other is paramount. Thanks a ton for your help. If you have issues then please communicate at qesehmk@gmail.com You can also write to Teddy Nishant Veni or Spec. They can help too. They have been doing it for quite a while now.

[shreyasai2004]

I think we will clean it after visa bulletin release..
I can also help you on this.

Thanks,
Shreya



imdeng, We all are truly happy for you. Also thanks for noting your experience down. I am sure it will be helpful to others.


As per moderators I have received quite a few names. Will fiddle with the system today to figure out how to give moderator access to a thread and then get back to some of you.

As I said - I am not overly worried about keeping thread clean. Its more important that people benefit from this and then help each other. It will be nice if we raise these discussions in appropriate forums directly. But if somebody desperately wants visibility and uses this thread we shouldn't fault him/her.

Anyway thanks a lot to those who offered help! Will work on it today ASAP.

[qesehmk]

Friends .... on another note - if you are still interested in voting please do so ASAP. We will close the vote tomorrow.

http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php?90-Account-of-Donations-We-Made&p=9785#post9785

[indiasunil]

All members eagerly watching(26members, 99 guests) !!.. Big Silenceeeee !..

[venkimakthal]

All members eagerly watching(26members, 99 guests) !!.. Big Silenceeeee !..

Action starts from may be from 2PM :), crossing the fingers

[TeddyKoochu]

So far the approvals have been extremely lukewarm at best. The 11/02 approval is EB2 ROW the guy is from Germany and the 11/01 approval is from someone with a Sep 2006 PD who had an interview so must have had a cap number reserved for his case kind off when his interview was scheduled. Besides that I read of another one which is again ROW - Cross chargeability. It’s still early days however if we do not see many approvals then it is indicative of numbers not being allocated. There were still 2.5K cases available by the last demand data. QBF what’s the news on MITTBS.

Friends approvals on Trackitt are fairly silent. 3 cases approved yesterday 2 of them are EB3 ROW and 1 is EB2 India. So so far 2 EB2-I cases approved this month.

[nishant2200]

Friends approvals on Trackitt are fairly silent. 3 cases approved yesterday 2 of them are EB3 ROW and 1 is EB2 India. So so far 2 EB2-I cases approved this month.

Teddy, is there anything that can be related to the Dec VB due to this. I am asking as most people would get nervous reading this.

My opinion is that the Dec VB EB2IC movement would have nothing to do with this. This would be already known to CO last month when he predicted, he has already given out full cap of IC, the qualified demand is not yet down to 0.

[kd2008]

Friends approvals on Trackitt are fairly silent. 3 cases approved yesterday 2 of them are EB3 ROW and 1 is EB2 India. So so far 2 EB2-I cases approved this month.

Teddy, quite a few approvals today. So I think all is well. :)

[TeddyKoochu]

Teddy, is there anything that can be related to the Dec VB due to this. I am asking as most people would get nervous reading this.

My opinion is that the Dec VB EB2IC movement would have nothing to do with this. This would be already known to CO last month when he predicted, he has already given out full cap of IC, the qualified demand is not yet down to 0.

Nishant, the Dec bulletin should not be impacted by this at all. This is all about how many numbers the agencies are releasing for approvals this month. So far none of the approvals have been for people beyond July 15th who were preadjudicated.

However the sooner it comes the better the outcome will be. The bulletin coming sooner means that they want to create a larger pipeline anyway without bothering about how many cases they get this month. While the bulletin coming later indicates that they are monitoring counts at the lockbox centers. Let’s hope for the best for the bulletin, good luck to you and all.

[leo07]

Yes, this is slightly disheartening. But, again anticipated, right? We know that there are only x number of visas that can be allotted and date-movement is to build pipe line.

If the same trend( slow down of approvals) continues for next 3 weeks, Jan VB will not pose good news for EB2I.
That said, this slow down will not have any effect on December VB, which btw must be just waiting to be uploaded.


Friends approvals on Trackitt are fairly silent. 3 cases approved yesterday 2 of them are EB3 ROW and 1 is EB2 India. So so far 2 EB2-I cases approved this month.

[iamdeb]

The demand data is not yet uploaded. Is there any chance of both the visa bulletin and demand data coming out in the same day?

[venkimakthal]

Nishant, the Dec bulletin should not be impacted by this at all. This is all about how many numbers the agencies are releasing for approvals this month. So far none of the approvals have been for people beyond July 15th who were preadjudicated.

However the sooner it comes the better the outcome will be. The bulletin coming sooner means that they want to create a larger pipeline anyway without bothering about how many cases they get this month. While the bulletin coming later indicates that they are monitoring counts at the lockbox centers. Let’s hope for the best for the bulletin, good luck to you and all.

Teddy, approvals for the applications with PD beyond July 15th will be delayed right, just they are applying, it takes some time to get the finger prints, verification,... Correct me if I am wrong.

[nishant2200]

Nishant, the Dec bulletin should not be impacted by this at all. This is all about how many numbers the agencies are releasing for approvals this month. So far none of the approvals have been for people beyond July 15th who were preadjudicated.

However the sooner it comes the better the outcome will be. The bulletin coming sooner means that they want to create a larger pipeline anyway without bothering about how many cases they get this month. While the bulletin coming later indicates that they are monitoring counts at the lockbox centers. Let’s hope for the best for the bulletin, good luck to you and all.


Now this is indeed a very great observation. I totally agree with you. Especially if they dont release today, then it might be just till tuesday, as on monday they would need to grab stuff dropped off on the weekend.

[venkimakthal]

Yes, this is slightly disheartening. But, again anticipated, right? We know that there are only x number of visas that can be allotted and date-movement is to build pipe line.

If the same trend( slow down of approvals) continues for next 3 weeks, Jan VB will not pose good news for EB2I.
That said, this slow down will not have any effect on December VB, which btw must be just waiting to be uploaded.

CO has to monitor the incoming applications in NOV to decide the PD in Jan VB but not the approvals, correct me if I am wrong. This movement is mainly for the inventory build up.

[RMS_V13]

What is the USCIS Inventory data? Someone in Trackitt mentioned that its out?

[superdesi2100]

Finally got the approval email today for myself and my wife.

EB2 India Priority date 5/30/07 Texas Service Center.

I contacted Senator's office on 10/4/11. I received a reply from Senator's office on 10/11/11. The reply stated that my category was EB 3 India and priority date was August 17, 2007 and that there was no visa number available currently.

I sent a follow up inquiry via Senator's office on 10/12/11 with I-485 receipts and I-140 approval notice. I received a reply back from Senator's office on 10/19/11 that USCIS has forward my application for further processing based on the information I provided.

Opened a service request 10/24/11. Received a reply on 10/31/11 that the application is being processed and I should hear something back within 60 days.

Sent an email to tsc.ncscfollowup@dhs.gov on 10/31/11 requesting the status of the case. Finally I received the approval email this morning.

I am sure if I had not gone through the process of contacting the Senator's office, my case would still be pending... I think if you have been pre-adjudicated, it is advisable to contact USCIS via Senator's office as soon as your priority date becomes current.

Good luck to everyone and thanks for what all you guys are doing here.

[TeddyKoochu]

Friends following is the latest snapshot. KD thanks for pointing out.

EB1 - 1
EB3 ROW - 3
EB2 - I - 5
EB2 ROW - 1

Good to see 1 approval post July 15th, Venki there were people upto Aug 15th who were able to apply in the Jul 2007 fiasco, there are 2.5 such cases in the demand data.

Leo too early to make any hard judgments but EB2 ROW atleast for now is looking week. This bulletin the more important thing for CO is to monitor he counts at the lockbox centers. Yes more approvals coming by also help and lesser indicate a lack of commitment in releasing numbers.

[venkimakthal]

Friends following is the latest snapshot. KD thanks for pointing out.

EB1 - 1
EB3 ROW - 3
EB2 - I - 5
EB2 ROW - 1

Good to see 1 approval post July 15th, Venki there were people upto Aug 15th who were able to apply in the Jul 2007 fiasco, there are 2.5 such cases in the demand data.

Leo too early to make any hard judgments but EB2 ROW atleast for now is looking week. This bulletin the more important thing for CO is to monitor he counts at the lockbox centers. Yes more approvals coming by also help and lesser indicate a lack of commitment in releasing numbers.

Teddy got it, I see 2 EB2-I approved with PD 07/27/07/ and 07/31/07 in trackitt, that means CO allocated good number of visas to EB2-I for the November Month.

[leo07]

Basically, he will have to look at visa number in hand( A) and applications that a ready to be approved (B) and decide how far he can move the dates. B will not include all incoming applications, just the ones that could consume visa. As 'A' dwindles, his ability(reason) to move dates farther goes down. yes, date-movement is to build pipeline, but also must meet the legal-framework as much as possible to avoid ruckus.


CO has to monitor the incoming applications in NOV to decide the PD in Jan VB but not the approvals, correct me if I am wrong. This movement is mainly for the inventory build up.

[leo07]

I agree. Good to see that we haven't hit the 'stop' .

Friends following is the latest snapshot. KD thanks for pointing out.

EB1 - 1
EB3 ROW - 3
EB2 - I - 5
EB2 ROW - 1

Good to see 1 approval post July 15th, Venki there were people upto Aug 15th who were able to apply in the Jul 2007 fiasco, there are 2.5 such cases in the demand data.

Leo too early to make any hard judgments but EB2 ROW atleast for now is looking week. This bulletin the more important thing for CO is to monitor he counts at the lockbox centers. Yes more approvals coming by also help and lesser indicate a lack of commitment in releasing numbers.

[wantgcnow]

I think the more VB release is delayed , less likely we will see a big movement

[gc0907]

It is discussed here in today's Murthy bulletin (http://www.murthy.com/bulletin.html).

What is the USCIS Inventory data? Someone in Trackitt mentioned that its out?

[Karma1979]

Question:
What does pre-adjudicated mean??

[jothi prakash]

where did you get this theory?

[Karma1979]

Heartiest Congratulations. All the best for your future plans.

[gc_usa]

I think the more VB release is delayed , less likely we will see a big movement

VB has so many other categories and DOS needs demand data from all consulates + USCIS to prepare VB.

EB2 IC is just a piece of VB.

[bieber]

Superdesi, congratulations

Nishanth brother, Mar1 2008 will be the least possible date, don't worry :)

[ggk189]

gc_usa,
I just notcied that nov1 and 2 are holidays for some of the us consulates around world. Is it possible that it might effect collection of demand data and hence the eventual visa bulletin.
VB has so many other categories and DOS needs demand data from all consulates + USCIS to prepare VB.

EB2 IC is just a piece of VB.

[venkimakthal]

Today my colleague and his wife GC approved, his PD is July 29, 07, looks like things are on track.

Edit: 2 more approvals added to Teddy summary of approvals :)

[familyguy]

I was about to say that :)


VB has so many other categories and DOS needs demand data from all consulates + USCIS to prepare VB.

EB2 IC is just a piece of VB.

[leo07]

superdesi2100, Congratulations to you and your family. All the best!

Finally got the approval email today for myself and my wife.

EB2 India Priority date 5/30/07 Texas Service Center.

I contacted Senator's office on 10/4/11. I received a reply from Senator's office on 10/11/11. The reply stated that my category was EB 3 India and priority date was August 17, 2007 and that there was no visa number available currently.

I sent a follow up inquiry via Senator's office on 10/12/11 with I-485 receipts and I-140 approval notice. I received a reply back from Senator's office on 10/19/11 that USCIS has forward my application for further processing based on the information I provided.

Opened a service request 10/24/11. Received a reply on 10/31/11 that the application is being processed and I should hear something back within 60 days.

Sent an email to tsc.ncscfollowup@dhs.gov on 10/31/11 requesting the status of the case. Finally I received the approval email this morning.

I am sure if I had not gone through the process of contacting the Senator's office, my case would still be pending... I think if you have been pre-adjudicated, it is advisable to contact USCIS via Senator's office as soon as your priority date becomes current.

Good luck to everyone and thanks for what all you guys are doing here.

[leo07]

Did anyone see a PWMB get approved?

Today my colleague and his wife GC approved, his PD is July 29, 07, looks like things are on track.

Edit: 2 more approvals added to Teddy summary of approvals :)

[TeddyKoochu]

Finally got the approval email today for myself and my wife.

EB2 India Priority date 5/30/07 Texas Service Center.

I contacted Senator's office on 10/4/11. I received a reply from Senator's office on 10/11/11. The reply stated that my category was EB 3 India and priority date was August 17, 2007 and that there was no visa number available currently.

I sent a follow up inquiry via Senator's office on 10/12/11 with I-485 receipts and I-140 approval notice. I received a reply back from Senator's office on 10/19/11 that USCIS has forward my application for further processing based on the information I provided.

Opened a service request 10/24/11. Received a reply on 10/31/11 that the application is being processed and I should hear something back within 60 days.

Sent an email to tsc.ncscfollowup@dhs.gov on 10/31/11 requesting the status of the case. Finally I received the approval email this morning.

I am sure if I had not gone through the process of contacting the Senator's office, my case would still be pending... I think if you have been pre-adjudicated, it is advisable to contact USCIS via Senator's office as soon as your priority date becomes current.

Good luck to everyone and thanks for what all you guys are doing here.

Many congratulations to you and your family, enjoy green life. Thanks for sharing the good news with all of us.

[vizcard]

Question:
What does pre-adjudicated mean??

485 Approved /denied before visa numbers being available.

[nishant2200]

gc_usa,
I just notcied that nov1 and 2 are holidays for some of the us consulates around world. Is it possible that it might effect collection of demand data and hence the eventual visa bulletin.


can you enlighten what this holidays were for and which country consulate you saw. just to give better idea.

[TeddyKoochu]

Did anyone see a PWMB get approved?

Leo since the free flow of approvals is happening now more importantly the preadjudicated after Jul 15th then PWMB also may start by the later part of this month. Really eager to see some of those.

[nishant2200]

Leo since the free flow of approvals is happening now more importantly the preadjudicated after Jul 15th then PWMB also may start by the later part of this month. Really eager to see some of those.

If this is happening and continues, and for PWMB also, then sir, it's a sure sign of QSP.

[TeddyKoochu]

If this is happening and continues, and for PWMB also, then sir, it's a sure sign of QSP.

I don't know if we should exactly call it quarterly spillover because it’s happening well before the quarter end but he seems to be moving by some monthly rule of allocation and so far the supply is sufficient to meet demand. There is also a possibility that the I140 denial rate is higher than what we have been used to.

[Kanmani]

I can see approvals for PDs 07/27/2007, 07/31/2007 , what is this actually denote?

I really dont understand. These PDs are current from November 01 2011, are they not ?

Where are these Visa numbers coming from ?

[nishant2200]

I don't know if we should exactly call it quarterly spillover because it’s happening well before the quarter end but he seems to be moving by some monthly rule of allocation and so far the supply is sufficient to meet demand. There is also a possibility that the I140 denial rate is higher than what we have been used to.

Teddy as per Q, the QSP can be applied anytime during the quarter, at the end of the quarter (for first three), no category should exceed 27% of total allocation possible. I am not sure about law verbiage behind it, just citing from Q's posts. Maybe Q should re-affirm this statement.

[nishant2200]

K, these must be pre-adjudicated apps.

Very lucky people who could at the last minute get their apps in the july 2007 fiasco. Even in period July 15th 2007 to August 17th 2007, there are people who made it into the july 2007 fiasco.


I can see approvals for PDs 07/27/2007, 07/31/2007 , what is this actually denote?

I really dont understand. These PDs are current from November 01 2011, are they not ?

Where are these Visa numbers coming from ?

[Kanmani]

Nishant , Is it not it would exceed 2800 in the first quarter itself?
Actually total numbers from apr 15 to july 15 itself is over the quota , am I correct?

[nishant2200]

Nishant , Is it not it would exceed 2800 in the first quarter itself?
Actually total numbers from apr 15 to july 15 itself is over the quota , am I correct?

Yeah, that's what Teddy is also pointing out. So for sure, at least I feel, that we are being given some sort of SO, what kind don't know.

[vchirakala]

It 2:14 PM EST and still no Dec VB.. I think we need to wait till monday or tuesday :-(

[familyguy]

Just curious... are there any left overs from FB (family based)?


Yeah, that's what Teddy is also pointing out. So for sure, at least I feel, that we are being given some sort of SO, what kind don't know.

[ggk189]

As per wikipedia Nov1 is All Saints day and Nov2 is All souls Day
The former is holiday on websites of Belgium,Phillipines,Ghana to name a few and I saw the later is for Brazil. Those are regarded as local holidays in the respective countries.



can you enlighten what this holidays were for and which country consulate you saw. just to give better idea.

[imdeng]

Nope - we are at 140K EB Visas this year.


Just curious... are there any left overs from FB (family based)?

[vizcard]

Nov 1 and Nov 2 are Christian holidays ...which is why Halloween is Oct 31st. Spirits are out on Halloween... pray for them on Nov 1 and 2.

... love the history.

[familyguy]

imdeng, i meant... are there any spill over (left over visas) from Family Based quota from last year, which is FY 2011?


Nope - we are at 140K EB Visas this year.

[chini9]

I-485 Inventory got posted in murthy website...

http://www.murthy.com/news/n_485o11.html

[nishant2200]

I think its curtains for today. No demand data put up, I highly doubt he will directly publish the VB, especially since he is doing it early, then he would like to show some thought went behind it.

Also the 4th sounds very early, almost a hack job, I did random clicks on previous years bulletins, and really none were this early.

[Eb2_Dec07]

Guys there is a comment on the US non immigrants blogspot and someone posted a comment about VB release date . Quote " I just got off the phone. Demand data will be released on Monday and bulletin on Wednesday. Enjoy your weekend. " . Not sure how viable this person is , but wanted to share this to y all anyway.

This weekend surely will give me sleepless nights of anticipation with out bounds for what may come next . Good luck to all of us who are expecting to be current .

[TeddyKoochu]

Teddy as per Q, the QSP can be applied anytime during the quarter, at the end of the quarter (for first three), no category should exceed 27% of total allocation possible. I am not sure about law verbiage behind it, just citing from Q's posts. Maybe Q should re-affirm this statement.

Nishant thanks; I did not know that QSP can be applied anytime in that case it is actually happening. This will bring early relief to all. So definitely it’s QSP or its variant or avatar but it’s something good happening for sure. The real test will be when we start to see PWMB approvals for those who filed last month.

[pdmay2008]

I-485 Inventory got posted in murthy website...

http://www.murthy.com/news/n_485o11.html

Why does Murthy posts these kinds reliable information very late. At this minute every one is waiting for Demand data and VB, No one is waiting for this information at all. But Murthy posts this late news to drag attention.

[vchirakala]

Nishant,

Murthy just posted I-485 inventory data for October 2011. Any guesses what will be the cut off date based on that.

[nishant2200]

Nishant,

Murthy just posted I-485 inventory data for October 2011. Any guesses what will be the cut off date based on that.

friend, murthy is late, people on this forum already pounced it on long time back.

I will tell you what murthy article doesnt say. The inventory shows big year over year increase in backlog for EB1 and EB2ROW, pointing to decrease in SOFAD by at least 8k for this year. But that assumes:
1. 140 approval rate is what we think it is, if it is lower, the backlog reduction will reduce the 485 but in terms of denials, not approvals
2. this year's incoming demand for EB1, EB2ROW will remain the same. It may get lower, which in case may balance the backlog reduction
3. USCIS will indeed to backlog reduction effort. they may or may not. if CO does QSP, then only in the quarter or next few they do this effort, we would be impacted, not throughout year. So I hope he does QSP.

As far as cut off dates, I have always mentioned, CO should look at past trend and grab minimum that plus buffer, and disregard the backlog kind of factors for now. He like us does not know future, and has to be safe side.

[venkimakthal]

I-485 Inventory got posted in murthy website...

http://www.murthy.com/news/n_485o11.html

"More and More EB2 Approvals from India and China

It should be noted that, in October and November 2011, the cutoff dates for EB2 India and China have continued to advance to November 1, 2007. This has resulted in many EB2 approvals from India and China with 2007 priority dates in October 2011, and is expected to continue in November 2011. The EB2 India and China inventory for cases with priority dates prior to August 2007 is therefore expected to continue to decline. "

Does not mention where the visas are coming from.

[TeddyKoochu]

I can see approvals for PDs 07/27/2007, 07/31/2007 , what is this actually denote?

I really dont understand. These PDs are current from November 01 2011, are they not ?

Where are these Visa numbers coming from ?

Kanmani this means that CO is allocating numbers to the batch for the Nov VB it’s a very positive sign that numbers are being allocated freely. We know that most of the preadjudicated cases before Jul 15th are approved already. I believe that if the approvals keep coming like this it is some kind of spillover or excess allocation as they have crossed 6K (I+ C Allocation). Note China’s Jul 2007 inventory is higher than India and EB2 I +C inventory excluding PWMB’s for Jul 2007 is more than 3K.

[wantgcnow]

Guys there is a comment on the US non immigrants blogspot and someone posted a comment about VB release date . Quote " I just got off the phone. Demand data will be released on Monday and bulletin on Wednesday. Enjoy your weekend. " . Not sure how viable this person is , but wanted to share this to y all anyway.

This weekend surely will give me sleepless nights of anticipation with out bounds for what may come next . Good luck to all of us who are expecting to be current .

I wonder with whom did he speak on phone..

[Kanmani]

Teddy

So still my theory of left over visas from 2011 is ruled out right?

[cbpds1]

guess he is just creating a buzz for some traffic to his website. I have seen bulletins released at even 2:10 PM PST


I wonder with whom did he speak on phone..

[wantgcnow]

guess he is just creating a buzz for some traffic to his website. I have seen bulletins released at even 2:10 PM PST

yes..makes sense

[TeddyKoochu]

Teddy

So still my theory of left over visas from 2011 is ruled out right?

I believe 6k has been used up for sure, its upto CO to account for them as either as 6K totally as annual allocation or 30% of 6K + Spillover as per some rules in the first 3 quarters only 30% can be used. Either way it’s very good news for all of us. We now need to see PWMB approvals to strengthen this theory.

[pdmay2008]

guess he is just creating a buzz for some traffic to his website. I have seen bulletins released at even 2:10 PM PST

Hope he did not speak with CO. For now probability of VB today has gone down, that's what I can say.

[suninphx]

I believe 6k has been used up for sure, its upto CO to account for them as either as 6K totally as annual allocation or 30% of 6K + Spillover as per some rules in the first 3 quarters only 30% can be used. Either way it’s very good news for all of us. We now need to see PWMB approvals to strengthen this theory.

So this should reduce average wait time for EB2IC by around 6 months?

[wantgcnow]

Hope he did not speak with CO. For now probability of VB today has gone down, that's what I can say.

If its thats easy to reach CO and everyone would have called and asked him about VB

[venkimakthal]

Now GC processing is transparent than before, why CO can't tell up front when the VB will be out instead just placing "Coming Soon"

[wantgcnow]

Now GC processing is transparent than before, why CO can't tell up front when the VB will be out instead just placing "Coming Soon"

I totally agree with you...instead of "coming soon" banner they can as well put a date

[leo07]

Is it possible that the visas for these approvals that we are seeing have been already allocated previous quarter? It's just that we are seeing the actual approvals now( a month later).

I believe 6k has been used up for sure, its upto CO to account for them as either as 6K totally as annual allocation or 30% of 6K + Spillover as per some rules in the first 3 quarters only 30% can be used. Either way it’s very good news for all of us. We now need to see PWMB approvals to strengthen this theory.

[TeddyKoochu]

So this should reduce average wait time for EB2IC by around 6 months?

Yes definitely otherwise all these cases would have had to wait till the last quarter, but let’s wait for more to happen. Iam basing it on the fact that 6K has definitely been used up. We need to be cognizant about the consumption as well now not really for intake purpose yet but from the annual SOFAD perspective.

[nishant2200]

Many many people like us just spending hours like days and every minute tension when the VB will be out and what the content.
This can be done very easily from CO point of view.

yeah man, who knows, he might be already gone home from work. or taken a sick day :)

Although not to further increase hopes, I think I am already guilty of that a bit, I have seen bulletins get released around 2 PM PST.

[nishant2200]

But the dates for which they are being alloacated were not current previous quarter. that's the big gotcha, unless they are bending laws.


Is it possible that the visas for these approvals that we are seeing have been already allocated previous quarter? It's just that we are seeing the actual approvals now( a month later).

[TeddyKoochu]

Is it possible that the visas for these approvals that we are seeing have been already allocated previous quarter. It's just that we are seeing the actual approvals now( a month later)?

Refer to the following post. http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php?148-EB2-Predictions-(Rather-Calculations)-2012&p=12246#post12246 -- POST # 1249.

- On Trackitt the number of EB2 ROW and EB1 numbers in both Aug and Spe are closer to double than usual. This is indicative of actual high number of approvals in these months. Also note that May, June approvals of I140 were very high. I have noticed one thing that whenever CO announces that huge numbers are available like in May even USCIS goes into high gear on 140 and thereby diminishes the actual movement that CO would have done as he is bound to go by USCIS input at that time.
- CO commented in the bulletins about the heavy EB2 ROW and EB1 demands.
- In 2007 the reverse had happened the cap numbers were allocated to the cases when the date became current actual approvals came months later, here however the cap numbers cannot be legally allocated to the case as Apr 15 - Jul 15th were not current in the last 2 months of FY 2011.
- Even now there is a very high number of people in the inventory for both EB2 ROW and EB1 and with I485 processing fast these cases can be virtually made ready for approval in a month’s time.
- For the last 2 years USCIS has been announcing in early September that numbers are over this means that they did a neat job.
- In the inventory published on Oct 01 the demand for EB2 I/C for Apr - Jul is present in full and not reduced strength.
- Effectively 6K numbers have been consumes which is virtually equal to I/C annual cap. The demand data for Oct 2011 showed 2.5K as opposed to 8.5K in Sep 2011 the numbers are normally reduced in the demand data for the month in which the numbers are actually allocated.
All these points strongly indicate that the cutover from 2011 to 2012 was a clean one and all the approvals that came in Oct 2012 are from 2012 cap. I hope all these factors are convincing enough that these are indeed 2012 numbers.

Most likely IMHO these are all from the 2012 cap.

[nishant2200]

Not to worry, it was logical in terms of last bulletin' release

yeah, I think the number 4 messed us up. it just sounds so early :)

he was ok with the 5th, but not the 4th.

Anyways, now I think everyone understands why I was saying we shall cleanup thread after the Dec VB pans out :D

[leo07]

I agree that it would be slight bending of the law; But within the framework though. Like he had visas in hand by September 30th and Pre-Adj applications ready.

But the dates for which they are being alloacated were not current previous quarter. that's the big gotcha, unless they are bending laws.

[veni001]

I agree that it would be slight bending of the law; But within the framework though. Like he had visas in hand by September 30th and Pre-Adj applications ready.


But the dates for which they are being alloacated were not current previous quarter. that's the big gotcha, unless they are bending laws.

Actually issue of VISA counts, not allocation.

[TeddyKoochu]

Actually issue of VISA counts, not allocation.

Veni, I understand that your advice is that all the current approvals are from the 2012 cap. What are your thoughts is this QSP or just usage of the annual cap or a mix of both.

[pdmay2008]

Now GC processing is transparent than before, why CO can't tell up front when the VB will be out instead just placing "Coming Soon"

We are not there yet. It will take couple of years to reach that point.

[leo07]

What you described makes mathematical sense :) Little too risky from CO's point of view, for allocating all 6k in the first quarter and opening a huge door for his opponents to attack him for the rest of 9 months.

Refer to the following post. http://www.qesehmk.org/forums/showthread.php?148-EB2-Predictions-(Rather-Calculations)-2012&p=12246#post12246 -- POST # 1249.

- On Trackitt the number of EB2 ROW and EB1 numbers in both Aug and Spe are closer to double than usual. This is indicative of actual high number of approvals in these months. Also note that May, June approvals of I140 were very high. I have noticed one thing that whenever CO announces that huge numbers are available like in May even USCIS goes into high gear on 140 and thereby diminishes the actual movement that CO would have done as he is bound to go by USCIS input at that time.
- CO commented in the bulletins about the heavy EB2 ROW and EB1 demands.
- In 2007 the reverse had happened the cap numbers were allocated to the cases when the date became current actual approvals came months later, here however the cap numbers cannot be legally allocated to the case as Apr 15 - Jul 15th were not current in the last 2 months of FY 2011.
- Even now there is a very high number of people in the inventory for both EB2 ROW and EB1 and with I485 processing fast these cases can be virtually made ready for approval in a month’s time.
- For the last 2 years USCIS has been announcing in early September that numbers are over this means that they did a neat job.
- In the inventory published on Oct 01 the demand for EB2 I/C for Apr - Jul is present in full and not reduced strength.
- Effectively 6K numbers have been consumes which is virtually equal to I/C annual cap. The demand data for Oct 2011 showed 2.5K as opposed to 8.5K in Sep 2011 the numbers are normally reduced in the demand data for the month in which the numbers are actually allocated.
All these points strongly indicate that the cutover from 2011 to 2012 was a clean one and all the approvals that came in Oct 2012 are from 2012 cap. I hope all these factors are convincing enough that these are indeed 2012 numbers.

Most likely IMHO these are all from the 2012 cap.

[qblogfan]

Today alone I saw more than 20 approvals on MITBBS. These guys have PD after 7/15. Looks like they are approving all the cases between 7/15-10/15.

[sha_kus]

what is happening? what ever is happening let it happen it is good for now...



Today alone I saw more than 20 approvals on MITBBS. These guys have PD after 7/15. Looks like they are approving all the cases between 7/15-10/15.

[immitime]

Now GC processing is transparent than before, why CO can't tell up front when the VB will be out instead just placing "Coming Soon"

on a funnier note.

"if that is so Doctors have lesser business"! ;) and might close down their clinics.

Prediction to some extend can be accurate but it all depends on filings from Nov1st to Nov 10th, that effects the date as all knows.

I wish Let all of us in this lengthy journey get the GC ASAP!

[TeddyKoochu]

What you described makes mathematical sense :) Little too risky from CO's point of view, for allocating all 6k in the first quarter and opening a huge door for his opponents to attack him for the rest of 9 months.

Thanks, it maybe 30% of 6K which is legally allowed and QSP which was always legal and never done. using numbers from the previous year may be completely against he law. He may have a tough time in any audit explaining that.

[qblogfan]

at least 20 primary applicants got green and that translates around 40 visa numbers. all of them are between 7/15-7/31.

I think they are approving now. A huge wave of GC is coming.......


what is happening? what ever is happening let it happen it is good for now...

[TeddyKoochu]

Today alone I saw more than 20 approvals on MITBBS. These guys have PD after 7/15. Looks like they are approving all the cases between 7/15-10/15.

Woow !, thats great news, are here any PWMB case approvals as well for people who just filed last month.

[cbpds1]

maybe some IT guy in USCIS removed the I/C filter in the internal application by mistake, so they removed the restriction b4 HR 3012 is passed :)


at least 20 primary applicants got green and that translates around 40 visa numbers. all of them are between 7/15-7/31.

I think they are approving now. A huge wave of GC is coming.......

[pdmay2008]

on a funnier note.

"if that is so Doctors have lesser business"! ;) and might close down their clinics.

Prediction to some extend can be accurate but it all depends on filings from Nov1st to Nov 10th, that effects the date as all knows.

I wish Let all of us in this lengthy journey get the GC ASAP!

I don't think CO can guesstimate the demand based on Nov 1st to Nov 10th. So many people are in hurry to apply as the doors are opened after a long time, many would make sure their application reaches there by Nov 1, at the same time several people are not ready with their docs(birth certificates etc...).

The lesser the number between Nov 1st and VB release date the more the chance of Advancing the date >Mar 1st 2008.

[Kanmani]

The upcoming IC Demand Data is expected to show Zero documentarily qualified .

What do you guys think?

[gc0907]

T,
Wouldn't that be highly unlikely? because anyone who filed last month needs to go through fingerprints etc. right? And wouldn't that mean the processing time of 485 to be about a month which is not realistic?

Woow !, thats great news, are here any PWMB case approvals as well for people who just filed last month.

[pdmay2008]

I don't think it will be zero. As CO wants to play safe game by having some documentarily qualified IC demand. Otherwise he would be questioned why he did not open the doors earlier.

[TeddyKoochu]

T,
Wouldn't that be highly unlikely? because anyone who filed last month needs to go through fingerprints etc. right? And wouldn't that mean the processing time of 485 to be about a month which is not realistic?

A lot of people in that group have had FP done. Some PWMB cases in the past have been approved in 2 months. So at this rate we might see some pwmb approvals at the end of this month.

[nishant2200]

The upcoming IC Demand Data is expected to show Zero documentarily qualified .

What do you guys think?

If he indeed respecting the move and any PWMB are not qualified in 2 months yet, this indeed may come true, at least ending towards 0.

Honestly guys , what's cooking, what the heck is going on.

[nishant2200]

I don't think CO can guesstimate the demand based on Nov 1st to Nov 10th. So many people are in hurry to apply as the doors are opened after a long time, many would make sure their application reaches there by Nov 1, at the same time several people are not ready with their docs(birth certificates etc...).

The lesser the number between Nov 1st and VB release date the more the chance of Advancing the date >Mar 1st 2008.

long time back, I clearly remmber, bieber had said that if people don't apply initially, they may get cheated to think very few applications, and open floodgates.

I think its not to estimate total number of applications, but maybe to make sure, that the trend they are expecting is holding. for example, if they receive 12k applications from Nov 1st to 10th, and their expectation for the total move was 10k in Nov VB, and 10k in Dec VB, then they may extrapolate that the Nov VB will in fact be getting them closer to 15k, and they only need 5k from Dec VB.

[bieber]

Nishanth

it's scary you remember that :)

I think there is a window of 3-4 months that good things happen and stall everything for may be an year or two, it's highly unlikely that they can gauge the exact demand based on filings (Teddy, how long it took you get the receipt number for 485), I don't even think they look at that number, based on CO words it looks like all it matters for him is documentarily qualified demand at this point, I have no clue how 8500+ visas are getting allocated in new fy already

[pdmay2008]

long time back, I clearly remmber, bieber had said that if people don't apply initially, they may get cheated to think very few applications, and open floodgates.

I think its not to estimate total number of applications, but maybe to make sure, that the trend they are expecting is holding. for example, if they receive 12k applications from Nov 1st to 10th, and their expectation for the total move was 10k in Nov VB, and 10k in Dec VB, then they may extrapolate that the Nov VB will in fact be getting them closer to 15k, and they only need 5k from Dec VB.

If he goes by demand data, with these many approvals there will be very less demand left to process. All these newly filed cases from Nov 1 are not considered under demand. Future demand + Left Over Demand+Buffer > Available VISA Numbers. This is what he should think now.

[nishant2200]

bieber, my scary memory, common sense, survival instinct, cut copy n paste: this has shaped up my professional growth so far. Most of the stuff I did in engineering can be put to trash.


Nishanth

it's scary you remember that :)

I think there is a window of 3-4 months that good things happen and stall everything for may be an year or two, it's highly unlikely that they can gauge the exact demand based on filings (Teddy, how long it took you get the receipt number for 485), I don't even think they look at that number, based on CO words it looks like all it matters for him is documentarily qualified demand at this point, I have no clue how 8500+ visas are getting allocated in new fy already

[TeddyKoochu]

Nishanth

it's scary you remember that :)

I think there is a window of 3-4 months that good things happen and stall everything for may be an year or two, it's highly unlikely that they can gauge the exact demand based on filings (Teddy, how long it took you get the receipt number for 485), I don't even think they look at that number, based on CO words it looks like all it matters for him is documentarily qualified demand at this point, I have no clue how 8500+ visas are getting allocated in new fy already

Bieber I just filed on Nov 1st don't have anything yet. The current trend does point to a consumption of 6K last month and 2.5K this month if no PWMB’s get approved. Basically looks like all preadjudicated cases are done. What remains is pwmb for last month and Nov filers. I think they must be gauging the numbers at the lockboxes the receipts come later; most likely they will get 80% of the applications by Nov 10th.

[veni001]

Veni, I understand that your advice is that all the current approvals are from the 2012 cap. What are your thoughts is this QSP or just usage of the annual cap or a mix of both.

Teddy,
If they follow QSP then, based on 27% Q1 limit, say they have 8.1k for Oct (I am only counting EB1+EB2+EB5), let say 7.0k allocated for AOS(USCIS) and 1.1k to CP(DOS).

On day one most likely USCIS know documentarily qualified EB1/EB2 ROWMP/EB5 demand for that month, so they can apply other wise unused(for that month) to most retrogressed country by following SOFAD.

They could do the same for a week/day.

[iamdeb]

The upcoming IC Demand Data is expected to show Zero documentarily qualified .

What do you guys think?

What's the source of this information?

[TeddyKoochu]

Teddy,
If they follow QSP then, based on 27% Q1 limit, say they have 8.1k for Oct (I am only counting EB1+EB2+EB5), let say 7.0k allocated for AOS(USCIS) and 1.1k to CP(DOS).

On day one most likely USCIS know documentarily qualified EB1/EB2 ROWMP/EB5 demand for that month, so they can apply other wise unused(for that month) to most retrogressed country by following SOFAD.

They could do the same for a week/day.

Veni, thanks, this seems to be a very rational explanation. Also I believe now that the inventory shows even those I485 cases (Concurrent filing) where I140 is not approved otherwise if the I140 were to be approved for these there would be absolutely no reason not to approve them. I140 is the bottleneck for EB2 ROW and EB1. Good luck to you, you maybe greened later this month itself or worst case before the end of the year.

[veni001]

Veni, thanks, this seems to be a very rational explanation. Also I believe now that the inventory shows even those I485 cases (Concurrent filing) where I140 is not approved otherwise if the I140 were to be approved for these there would be absolutely no reason not to approve them. I140 is the bottleneck for EB2 ROW and EB1. Good luck to you, you maybe greened later this month itself or worst case before the end of the year.

Agree,

Thank you and let's hope USCIS is following QSP!

[nishant2200]

guys, can then this theory in old post have a chance of being correct. we may ignore the EB4 and EB5 from it if you don't think he wants to jump gun on that.


I am trying to formulate a theory to support your last part Q, as well as credit to Teddy on a conversation I had with him earlier today, and by this attempt to formulate a theory, try to explain the incredible phenomena of the Oct VB in which people are also getting green cards, not just date movement. Assuming by law, DOS
can only give 27% (is it 30%?) of all visas available in a category in the first three quarters max., following would be availability:

EB1: 10810 or 3603 a month
EB2: 10810 or 3603 a month
EB4: 2683 or 894 a month
EB5: 2683 or 894 a month

Total: 26986 a quarter, or 8995 a month

233 a month is already the normal quota for EB2IC.

Each month USCIS fails to produce adequate demand of non EB2IC, the unused numbers are given to EB2IC. This is monthly spillover, not even quarterly spillover, lets call for argument sake. Or at least if quarterly only, then each quarter, similarly all remaining is grabbed onto EB2IC. What has happened this FY 2012 so far, however, almost looks like monthly spillover, it is not QSP.

Now say DOS wants to always maintain a inventory of 20k (assuming 7k approvals of non EB2IC as worst case) to always remain ahead of the curve of 27k a quarter, hence the intent of keeping on moving dates. Anytime USCIS presents a substantial non EB2IC demand, or DOS feels they obtained 30k inventory, which is higher than the 26986 max a quarter, they pause or adjust the pace of the movement, cleverly done and based on amount of non EB2IC demand presented by USCIS, they might not even need retrogression. This way EB2IC keeps moving, inventory keeps getting built up, and based on non EB2IC demand by USCIS, adequate congestion control is done, any bursts of non EB2IC are accommodated and when the bursts go away, again same EB2IC picks up steam. It is a fair system IMHO. Visas are not wasted, current categories remain current, laws are followed, there is no mad rush anytime, EB2IC is not penalized for USCIS's failure to process other categories backlog consistently and then by them making up for it suddenly in last quarter like they did in last FY August. If they are applying this to EB4 and EB4 demand then keep in mind, this also takes away the possibility or at least reduces by great deal the quantum of EB1 backlog reduction cannibalizing EB5 and any possible EB4 SO from coming onto EB2IC.

this idea may be totally not right, but there might be some form of at least QSP in play to explain. only those who try, may fail, tear apart as you like :)


Teddy,
If they follow QSP then, based on 27% Q1 limit, say they have 8.1k for Oct (I am only counting EB1+EB2+EB5), let say 7.0k allocated for AOS(USCIS) and 1.1k to CP(DOS).

On day one most likely USCIS know documentarily qualified EB1/EB2 ROWMP/EB5 demand for that month, so they can apply other wise unused(for that month) to most retrogressed country by following SOFAD.

They could do the same for a week/day.


Agree,

Thank you and let's hope USCIS is following QSP!

[Kanmani]

What's the source of this information?

After seeing approvals of PDs July 15 2007 +++++ , I am assuming so .

[leo07]

You are right with this one. That is the reason, I was thinking(assuming) that CO might have allocated visas for these apps even before FY 2012 commenced. But again, the numbers don't support the assumption, plus there is no reason for CO to not move the dates in September itself if he was prepared for this movement.

He may have a tough time in any audit explaining that.

[leo07]

I can completely agree and relate to your statement :) Only thing that I may add is, my engineering years taught me the first three both in theory and practice:)

bieber, my scary memory, common sense, survival instinct, cut copy n paste: this has shaped up my professional growth so far. Most of the stuff I did in engineering can be put to trash.

[bieber]

bieber, my scary memory, common sense, survival instinct, cut copy n paste: this has shaped up my professional growth so far. Most of the stuff I did in engineering can be put to trash.

may be the it's not about what you learn in engineering, it could be about how you learned it, you graduated from art of learning which is helping you now :)

[cbpds1]

An old prof who was a tech head in a small firm said

Engineering is u learn how to learn !!


may be the it's not about what you learn in engineering, it could be about how you learned it, you graduated from art of learning which is helping you now :)

[leo07]

Did you see any of the PWMB's getting approved?

Today alone I saw more than 20 approvals on MITBBS. These guys have PD after 7/15. Looks like they are approving all the cases between 7/15-10/15.

[nishant2200]

may be the it's not about what you learn in engineering, it could be about how you learned it, you graduated from art of learning which is helping you now :)


I can completely agree and relate to your statement :) Only thing that I may add is, my engineering years taught me the first three both in theory and practice:)

credit due where it is. You guys are eye openers :)

yes, it was a tough grind. glad don't have to study anymore...

[veni001]

guys, can then this theory in old post have a chance of being correct. we may ignore the EB4 and EB5 from it if you don't think he wants to jump gun on that.

Nishant,
More or less we are re-iterating the same theory.

If QSP is correct then this could be very well!

[gc0907]

I think the only ones who would claim they are using the knowleged they gained during their college would be scientists and researchers.
Rest of the others mainly gain knowledge after they enter the industry.

An old prof who was a tech head in a small firm said

Engineering is u learn how to learn !!

[ram_40001]

Teddy,

Given all this data, when do you expect your green card in hand seeing as you filed in November?

[nishant2200]

agreed, this is not anything I or anyone invented. But at least the monthly application of it, that's what me and Teddy talked about sometime back, and today you kind of hinted or agreed upon.

This is amazing if true. I hope he continues.


Nishant,
More or less we are re-iterating the same theory.

If QSP is correct then this could be very well!

[TeddyKoochu]

Teddy,

Given all this data, when do you expect your green card in hand seeing as you filed in November?

The current events are simply amazing. However couple of things still needs to happen. The numbers are being allocated like the free flow captain cook salt (Remember the ad from our school days). For all non Indian folks, Tata salt had a monopoly however it would get damped up, then this brand came up which would not dampen that easily, right now looks like free flow is happening to the visa numbers.
- PWMB batch from Oct is still waiting we may start to see their approvals later this month at the current rate. The dates if at all they retrogress should not go behind Aug 15th as there is nobody left there except for the PWMB's now.
- The Nov batch is actually far bigger I believe it’s a little early to say how this would work out unless we see the previous batch PWMB's being approved.
Good luck to all.

[nishant2200]

So looking at approval news finally coming in today, seems like the "allocation" mumbo jumbo has been dealt with by CO, and the demand data must be ready to upload on monday.

next it's anyone's guess how long he wants to wait before deciding on Dec VB.

[shaumack]

What you described makes mathematical sense :) Little too risky from CO's point of view, for allocating all 6k in the first quarter and opening a huge door for his opponents to attack him for the rest of 9 months.

I do not think so CO will ever try to game the system or do anything out of box unless he has approval from higher-ups. There is already some controversy about if DOS should even be allocated right to issue visas. As per HSA Act of 2002, DHS was supposed to have final approval over visa issuance and DOS was just suppose to work on their recommendation. In 2003, consensus was achieved among two departments and power were bestowed on DOS. After Dec 2009 Xmas plot, this was relooked into if DOS should be issuing visa numbers and is still in radar of many congress members. So CO will be careful about making any such exceptions which are against law that can ultimately cost him his job, as no visa issuance power with DOS means no job for him.

If any one interested they should read this article - http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/eyeonwashington/2011/documents/visasecurity.pdf

This article will also tell you how failed Dec 2009 XMas Plot to attack NW airline changed some bestowed powers that consular officers now have in consulate abroad. This is were all 221(g) started happening. Now officers at consulate can reverse any approvals made through USCIS that too with no question asked.

[doctorp]

it takes USCIS at least 10-14 days to sort things out and send a receipt number, so until that time there is no way they can communicate to the DOS/CO about demand for NOV, also from statements attributed to the CO, it seems he really does not care what the numbers are and will advance the dates anyways.
That makes it very surprising, they did not release the VB tonight, should we read anything to it?

[doctorp]

has anybody seen an overnight posting of VB.... or I am just being too desperate ?