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  1. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by iatiam View Post
    HR 392 is the only solution. It doesn't really solve the issue, but spreads it such that it becomes everyone's problem instead of India's issue. Nothing else will work because it will add GC numbers which is never going to happen
    What is the current state of HR392? Its been 8 months that it was introduced by Kevin Yoder.

  2. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by altek001 View Post
    What is the current state of HR392? Its been 8 months that it was introduced by Kevin Yoder.
    This seems to be a rhetorical question. However, HR 392 is the only bill that has some chance of success even though remote. There is no other bill for EB folks that comes even close. If it is doomed, forget about any relief other than as part if CIR whenever that happens.

  3. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by altek001 View Post
    What is the current state of HR392? Its been 8 months that it was introduced by Kevin Yoder.
    First it was introduced by Jason Chaffetz and when he retired Kevin Yoder emerged as the main sponsor.

    Things don't happen because folks in Washington think we are geniuses and need to be given greencards. On the contrary we are seen as job snatchers and need to be shown the door. On the other side, companies don't want HR392 to happen as they will lose their bonded employees. The companies publicly say that they support HR392 but behind closed doors heavily oppose HR392.

    HR392 can and will happen when folks like you and me rise up and talk to our Senators/congressman/congresswoman about the issues and urge them to pass HR392. Otherwise, it is destined for failure.

  4. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by altek001 View Post
    What is the current state of HR392? Its been 8 months that it was introduced by Kevin Yoder.
    Last I heard from Congressman Yoder's office is they want to attach this to DACA Bill, so this is the critical time to call your congressman and just say thanks for supporting bill or ask them the status of the bill.

    *Senators List to call*
    1.JohnCornyn - TX
    ☎:202-224-2934

    2.Thomas Tillis - NC
    ☎:202-224-6342

    3.Tom Cotton - AR
    ☎:202-224-2353

    4.Jeff Flake - AZ
    ☎:202-224-4521

    5.Cory Gardner - CO
    ☎:202-224-5941

    6.Lindsey Graham - SC
    ☎202-224-5972

    7.James Lankford - OK
    ☎:202-224-5754

    8.David Perdue - GA
    ☎:202-224-3521

    9.Michael Bennet - CO
    ☎:202-224-5852

    10. Orrin Hatch - UT
    ☎:202-224-5251


    *Representative's List to call*
    1.Michael T.McCaulTX10
    ☎:202-225-2401

    2.Mario Diaz-BalartFL25
    ☎:202-225-4211

    3.KevinMcCarthy CA23
    ☎:202-225-2915

    4.Bob Goodlatte VA06
    ☎:202-225-3951
    ☎:202-225-5431

    5.Raul Labrador ID01
    ☎:202-225-6611

  5. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by tatikonda View Post
    Last I heard from Congressman Yoder's office is they want to attach this to DACA Bill, so this is the critical time to call your congressman and just say thanks for supporting bill or ask them the status of the bill.

    *Senators List to call*
    1.JohnCornyn - TX
    ☎:202-224-2934

    2.Thomas Tillis - NC
    ☎:202-224-6342

    3.Tom Cotton - AR
    ☎:202-224-2353

    4.Jeff Flake - AZ
    ☎:202-224-4521

    5.Cory Gardner - CO
    ☎:202-224-5941

    6.Lindsey Graham - SC
    ☎202-224-5972

    7.James Lankford - OK
    ☎:202-224-5754

    8.David Perdue - GA
    ☎:202-224-3521

    9.Michael Bennet - CO
    ☎:202-224-5852

    10. Orrin Hatch - UT
    ☎:202-224-5251


    *Representative's List to call*
    1.Michael T.McCaulTX10
    ☎:202-225-2401

    2.Mario Diaz-BalartFL25
    ☎:202-225-4211

    3.KevinMcCarthy CA23
    ☎:202-225-2915

    4.Bob Goodlatte VA06
    ☎:202-225-3951
    ☎:202-225-5431

    5.Raul Labrador ID01
    ☎:202-225-6611

    Thank you for providing this, Tatikonda.

    I urge everyone in this forum to immediately call AND paper mail to senators and Congressman as this list contains Majority Leaders/ Whips of both House and Senate. Lets say even if 5000 of our fellow Indians call their offices, there would be a tremendous response. DACA officially ends on March 5, and President Trump is in touch with both parties until the interim CR runs Feb 18 so they can be protected.

    Please make an earnest attempt to let them know on the issue of Aging out Children and number of years you have been waiting legally just to file for Adjustment of Status. Please do not mention anything about HR 392 to make things convoluted. God bless you all, and God bless the United States of America.

  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by tatikonda View Post
    Last I heard from Congressman Yoder's office is they want to attach this to DACA Bill, so this is the critical time to call your congressman and just say thanks for supporting bill or ask them the status of the bill.

    *Senators List to call*
    1.JohnCornyn - TX
    ☎:202-224-2934

    2.Thomas Tillis - NC
    ☎:202-224-6342

    3.Tom Cotton - AR
    ☎:202-224-2353

    4.Jeff Flake - AZ
    ☎:202-224-4521

    5.Cory Gardner - CO
    ☎:202-224-5941

    6.Lindsey Graham - SC
    ☎202-224-5972

    7.James Lankford - OK
    ☎:202-224-5754

    8.David Perdue - GA
    ☎:202-224-3521

    9.Michael Bennet - CO
    ☎:202-224-5852

    10. Orrin Hatch - UT
    ☎:202-224-5251


    *Representative's List to call*
    1.Michael T.McCaulTX10
    ☎:202-225-2401

    2.Mario Diaz-BalartFL25
    ☎:202-225-4211

    3.KevinMcCarthy CA23
    ☎:202-225-2915

    4.Bob Goodlatte VA06
    ☎:202-225-3951
    ☎:202-225-5431

    5.Raul Labrador ID01
    ☎:202-225-6611
    Guys, please stop. We all want this bill to pass but some things may be detrimental and I think this exactly does that. If you really want to do something join the IV telegram group and just be a foot soldier. I personally am not a fan of IV folks but this is their bill and they have a good coherent strategy to pass this bill.

    Is this the SIIA's idiotic strategy?

    Your calls to these folks can actually harm the bill.

  7. #57

    Changes expected

    Quote Originally Posted by YTeleven View Post
    Based on my previous post Iím expecting 10k visas this FY to EB3 & EB2 India put together but practically all these 10K visas will be consumed by EB3 India(both porters and non-porters) that will clear the EB3 India backlogs till DEC2007.
    Next year (FY19) with the same number of Visas, EB3 & EB2 India PDs will equate somewhere around 2009 dates and we can see beginning of downward porting from EB2 India.
    Some good news in the corner. Diversity visa might get closed and numbers might get added to the lot. Only if country wide limit is removed. Then we have open field.

  8. #58
    BVSamrat,

    Diversity and country limits have nothing in common.

    Trump / Bannon are anti globalists. Diversity Visa is a wonderful tool for state department to curry favors to various countries and build those bridges to those countries. Cancelling this quota cuts state department's power - which Trump seems to be interested in. Tillerson - though calls Trump moron - is on the same page with Trump on this one. Thats why almost a third of state department appointments are unfilled.

    I am not sure why Trump thinks it's a good idea. It may be politically useful to him .... but it hurts America's foreign influence (some may call it interference).

    It is important to understand that this has ZERO relationship with EB or even FB immigration.

    As per country quota - we will see. Things never happen in US out of ideology or philosophy .. They happen because there is somebody fighting for those things, and most of the times the basis rooted in money and economics. Even the civil war -- the southern states had an economic reason to keep slavery alive. H1B and backlogged indians are in similar situation. There are strong economic incentives for American corporations to keep this workforce less mobile.

    So unless somebody fights for this group - how is this going to change?

    Even Indian community is not standing up for backlogged indians. Not even all backlogged indians are standing up for themselves. We keep talking about abuse in other EB categories!!

    Go figure when the country limits will be removed.

    It will be a miracle if and when that happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by bvsamrat View Post
    Some good news in the corner. Diversity visa might get closed and numbers might get added to the lot. Only if country wide limit is removed. Then we have open field.
    Last edited by qesehmk; 01-26-2018 at 11:46 AM.
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  9. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by qesehmk View Post
    BVSamrat,

    Diversity and country limits have nothing in common.

    Trump / Bannon are anti globalists. Diversity Visa is a wonderful tool for state department to curry favors to various countries and build those bridges to those countries. Cancelling this quota cuts state department's power - which Trump seems to be interested in. Tillerson - though calls Trump moron - is on the same page with Trump on this one. Thats why almost a third of state department appointments are unfilled.

    I am not sure why Trump thinks it's a good idea. It may be politically useful to him .... but it hurts America's foreign influence (some may call it interference).

    It is important to understand that this has ZERO relationship with EB or even FB immigration.

    As per country quota - we will see. Things never happen in US out of ideology or philosophy .. They happen because there is somebody fighting for those things, and most of the times the basis rooted in money and economics. Even the civil war -- the southern states had an economic reason to keep slavery alive. H1B and backlogged indians are in similar situation. There are strong economic incentives for American corporations to keep this workforce less mobile.

    So unless somebody fights for this group - how is this going to change?

    Even Indian community is not standing up for backlogged indians. Not even all backlogged indians are standing up for themselves. We keep talking about abuse in other EB categories!!

    Go figure when the country limits will be removed.

    It will be a miracle if and when that happens.
    Thanks Q for the thoughts. Agee that nothing may get changed. But, also idea of merit based immigration might really work in USA where talent and skills go a long way as against in NZ/AUS or Canada where it is being used, but have a very few opportunities (Those countries appear great on paper to invite, less receptive to outsiders on employment chances). I have seen many doctors driving taxies and buses there.

  10. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by bvsamrat View Post
    Thanks Q for the thoughts. Agee that nothing may get changed. But, also idea of merit based immigration might really work in USA where talent and skills go a long way as against in NZ/AUS or Canada where it is being used, but have a very few opportunities (Those countries appear great on paper to invite, less receptive to outsiders on employment chances). I have seen many doctors driving taxies and buses there.
    US indeed is the best country to migrate to .... no doubt about that.
    The purpose of this site is to improve clarity of GC process to help people plan their lives better. Use the info at your risk. None of this is legal advice.
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  11. #61
    Hi Everyone,
    If you read in the latest news, the Immigration proposal does not eliminate limits on country cap nor has an increase in the number of GC's from 140K. Except that 55K visas are to be allocated to FB and EB categories to the most backlogged countries.

    With half of the 55K going to EB category, by how much do you think EB2 Final action date will move each year?

    Currently, it's moving forward roughly by 6 to 8 months a year.

  12. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by altek001 View Post
    Hi Everyone,
    If you read in the latest news, the Immigration proposal does not eliminate limits on country cap nor has an increase in the number of GC's from 140K. Except that 55K visas are to be allocated to FB and EB categories to the most backlogged countries.

    With half of the 55K going to EB category, by how much do you think EB2 Final action date will move each year?

    Currently, it's moving forward roughly by 6 to 8 months a year.
    There will be a million proposals coming out of "you know where", none of which will ever see daylight including Isquared. Start analyzing something when it passes at least one chamber of the Congress. if there is anything that might pass it is HR392 (probability of 20-30%) everything else is just plain posturing.

  13. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by rock581 View Post
    There will be a million proposals coming out of "you know where", none of which will ever see daylight including Isquared. Start analyzing something when it passes at least one chamber of the Congress. if there is anything that might pass it is HR392 (probability of 20-30%) everything else is just plain posturing.
    It's frustating to see DACA Illegals and unskilled scumbags getting media attention while our children are at the risk of being aged out.

    Politicians are planning phase 1 for DACA and phase 2 for legal immigrants while the latter is being addressed for EB. It's shows the ignorance, retardness and indifference of politicians to include a one line clause(of ending country limit) in the 800 plus bill that updates the Immigration law..

  14. #64
    I am thinking the reason they want to keep legal immigration reform as Phase 2 is due to this election year.

    They want to keep the unemployment numbers low in the high skilled jobs as this was the premise of the “Buy American and Hire American” executive order as U.S. workers can’t find jobs because of immigrants and temporary visa holders. This should be a no-brainer !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by altek001 View Post
    It's frustating to see DACA Illegals and unskilled scumbags getting media attention while our children are at the risk of being aged out.

    Politicians are planning phase 1 for DACA and phase 2 for legal immigrants while the latter is being addressed for EB. It's shows the ignorance, retardness and indifference of politicians to include a one line clause(of ending country limit) in the 800 plus bill that updates the Immigration law..
    That is more to do with Vote bank politics and appeasement of the biggest impact block.
    The EB category block appeasement is very little and more so when we talk about backlogged.

  16. #66
    ----Taken from an excerpt from DACA discussion by an American
    "
    Hey foreign born kids of LEGAL Immigrants,

    When you turn 21, YOU WILL BE KICKED OUT OF THE COUNTRY. This is because after 21, you cannot claim to be a “dependent” of your parents. Unless, you get your own legal status(as a student or a temporary worker), you need to leave the country.

    Have you heard of a program called “DACA”(Deffered action on childhood arrivals). It grants legal status to people who were brought into the country illegally as children to study and work. These people are also called “Dreamers”. I am sure you have dreams too. Why cant you, a LEGAL immigrant, be a “Dreamer”?

    Hey, not exactly legal, why not deliberately turn out of status and then claim DACA? If DACA people had their way, they could be citizens by one stroke of President Trump’s hand. Which seems likely considering all the news that is coming out. It is a win-win for you. Illegal today, citizen tomorrow.

    Trump Says He Is Open to a Path to Citizenship for ‘Dreamers’

    Lets face it, your parent’s path to citizenship through the legal visa is so long, that even you will have grand children, by the time his time comes at the front of the queue. See the irony of the situation?

    Legal immigrants children-> Aged out and kicked out of the country.

    Illegal immigrants children -> Given DACA and possibly citizenship.

    P.S: This is just an honest analysis of the current situation and I am NOT encouraging illegal immigration.
    "

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    Sen Hatch filed a series of amendments today to the pending Immigration legislation to shore up the merit-based side of the legislation.Interestingly he appears to have left out the H-1B increases from the I-squared Act.

    https://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/...2-DD42225DBCDD

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    This is a positive development as one of the amendments is the country cap elimination. If this is voted on and passes then the house which already has a bill filed with the judiciary committee might take it up (HR 392). However the House Judiciary committee has not been very favorably disposed to EB green cards. The Bill sponsored by Goodlatte/Issa increases the EB quota to 195000 (by eliminating the DV lottery) but keeping the country caps in place. Of course there is no guarantee that this amendment will be voted upon and passed in the Senate but the Democrats feel that they are probably 2-3 votes short of passing a two pillar DACA Bill (legalization of Dreamers) and increased border security without the diversity and family immigration cuts. Hatch is a retiring Senator this year and they might get his vote if they can get his amendments passed. As of now although multiple amendments have been filed no votes have been scheduled. We still have Grassley and Durbin to consider. As the clock keeps ticking there is probably not much time for a vote-a-rama and it is possible only a few amendments may be taken up by mutual consent and the rest left out

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